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Baby rice at 4 months

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GemSingleton · 17/02/2017 15:20

Hi mums,

This is going to be pretty controversial. My LB is 18 weeks old tomorrow. After his first feed this morning I thought I would try him a tiny bit of baby rice.
He absolutely loved it. Finished it off and was even opening his mouth for more after swallowing and then finished his bottle.

Jacob is a little and often baby. He has around 4/5 oz bottle every 2 hours! Just lately he has started to just play with his bottles, seeming bored, although he doesn't know any different. I thought the rice may sustain him a little longer.

He's been so happy today he's had his naps taking his bottles fine just generally happy.

I told my partner and he's not very happy. I know NHS says 6 months but if it's making him happy and he's ok with it then what's the harm?

I was thinking of gradually introducing it to him with his second feed usually around 9am. Just a couple of times a week to begin with.

Any thoughts?

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Leggit · 17/02/2017 18:50

If I'm honest I can't be arsed to sit and google and read through. That is incredibly sad to read.

HerculesMulligan · 17/02/2017 19:09

Someone upthread says that early introduction of gluten protects against intolerance.

I was weaned early for medical reasons, and in adult life have various food intolerances which have at times made me quite ill. The gastroenterologist I saw in 2007 said that the early weaning could have been a contributing factor. I didn't wean DS until he was 6 months old for that reason.

hollinhurst84 · 17/02/2017 19:10

It's not worth giving. It might fill them up because it's bulkier but means they're getting less calories overall

FartnissEverbeans · 17/02/2017 20:34

I was weaned early for medical reasons, and in adult life have various food intolerances which have at times made me quite ill. The gastroenterologist I saw in 2007 said that the early weaning could have been a contributing factor. I didn't wean DS until he was 6 months old for that reason.

I'm really sorry to hear that. I'm just quoting the research I've seen, which suggests that the opposite is true. The American Academy of Paediatrics have changed their guidance on the introduction of allergens for this reason.

I suppose it depends how early you were weaned. Four months wouldn't have been considered early in the past.

FartnissEverbeans · 17/02/2017 20:42

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/26500108/

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/22905651/?i=3&from=/26500108/related

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/24101761/?i=7&from=/26500108/related

A few references. There are actually more papers than I realized on this topic. They've generally found that early introduction has no risks but late introduction is correlated with coeliac disease.

reallyanotherone · 17/02/2017 21:11

Dh was weaned early because he was "hungry".

He has the most godawful problems with his guts.

Mil will still stand there and swear early weaning "never did mine any harm".

Fartniss the coeliac/breastfeeding/weaning relationship is very complicated. It is not possible to conclude that gluten should be introduced before 6m. I could pick apart those papers (one the children tested were genetically predisposed to CD, for example), but i've been up since 5.

FartnissEverbeans · 18/02/2017 05:02

What do you mean by 'weaned early' though? Do you mean 'after four months' like the OP?

Please do pick apart the evidence if you get a chance. I haven't spent much time looking into gluten as I don't have an coeliacs in my family and those were the first papers I found on running a search last night. I understand that breastfeeding seems to have a protective effect when introducing gliten - do you have any information on formula fed babies? That would certainly be of interest to me as DS is formula fed.

I was quite shocked at the number of people telling the OP she should wait until 6 months. That's not really what's advised - rather, it's generally down to developmental readiness and it sounds like her DS might be ready, if he's sitting up, swallowing properly and enjoying the food. He's not being weaned particularly early so I'm not sure what the issue is - the evidence all suggests that he's going to be absolutely fine, in spite of the baby rice.

n0rr1scole · 18/02/2017 05:34

Weaning before 6 months is a bad idea unless recommended by a HCP for medical reasons (weight loss, reflux etc).

Why are you shocked Fartness? Being 6 months old, plus having other signs of readiness is what is advised. So the stomach is mature enough, and they can actually sit up. Not whatever comes first. 4 months may not have been considered early 20 odd years ago, but now it is because as with most things, research has found problems with it.

Op
Sounds like you did it just for the sake of it, your baby isn't bored, and only needs milk. Milk is the only thing a baby needs until 12 months. 6 months is when it is advised that you begin to introduce food, and even then it's not vital for nutrition for a long while. He doesn't need to 'go' longer between feeds. They can feed on demand, or put an extra ounce or two of milk in the bottles to test their hunger.

Baby rice has nothing nutritional in it, it's just a filler. But if the baby is feeding well, sleeping well, gaining weight, why would you need it? If you really insist on doing it, purée fresh fruit and veg mixed with a little milk. Even that is completely unnecessary at this stage but at least it would be good food.

Their stomachs aren't ready for solid food this soon, research shows that conditions like IBS, IBD, Crohn's and other stomach and bowel conditions may well have been caused by early weaning in some cases.

You say you aren't a fan of BLW? As a first time parent who "can't be arsed to sit and research stuff" you can't be that clued up? It is strictly only intended for babies 6 months and above who can sit up properly in a high chair to eat. Really, weaning at any age shouldn't be considered until the baby can sit up straight in a high chair because of a choking risk. Feeding purée doesn't eliminate the choking risk, in fact it's just as dangerous when you are doing it with such a young baby who I doubt can sit up yet. Look up Millie's Trust. This is in memory of a little girl who was 9 months old and was fed mashed potato by a nursery worker. She was way above weaning age, able to sit up, and she choked on a very soft food.

Maybe you should do some research after all?

In addition, I would be so upset if my DH decided to start something like early weaning without speaking to me first. Not only because of the health risks but because it's a big step and most parents would want to see those first tastes and reactions. How would you feel if your husband took away your say, and seeing it all from you.

Meffy · 18/02/2017 05:37

I honestly think it depends on the kid.

DS1 was weaned at 6 months.... he so bloody fussy.

DS2 warned at 3 months ... he had severe reflux and consultant demanded it (tube fed and occasional rich tea finger )

DD3 dairy intolerance
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GinIsIn · 18/02/2017 05:47

It's your baby's health and you cant be arsed to read about it? Hmm

The guidelines exist for a reason so if you want to go against them you absolutely need to read up about the reasons. There is zero nutrition in baby rice - just bulk- and high concentrations of substances like arsenic have now been found in rice.

What worries me more is the fact that you were planning to lie to your partner about doing it. If you were going to lie, you clearly know it's not necessarily a smart decision.

Lots of things that aren't good for babies and children make them happy, and can absolutely do them harm. You will have to make parenting choices on a more sound basis than that, so please do 'be arsed' to inform yourself properly before making them.

GemSingleton · 18/02/2017 16:47

Leggit - no I can't. I have too much to do and believe it or not my phone is not always in my hand to sit and goodie stuff. I get an hour here and there when my son naps

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GemSingleton · 20/02/2017 08:28

Wow people are so perfect obviously! All I asked was a little advice. Can't believe you all think I'm a danger to my child! This is why I don't sit on the internet for hours upon hours in a day! That's more harmful to your child FYI!

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Afreshstartplease · 20/02/2017 08:31

Op I don't think your a danger to your child

I think your a first time mum new to all this and the new stages are exciting aren't they!

Your hardly feeding baby a kebab

Let us know how you get on with the next size teats

mrsp0tts · 20/02/2017 08:59

I don't think anybody is suggesting they are perfect, you were advised of the current guidelines and reasons for them, and why what you are doing probably isn't wise, and said you couldn't be arsed to research it Confused not sure how that led you to think everybody on this thread is sitting on the internet a day...

GemSingleton · 20/02/2017 09:04

It's not that I can't be arsed to research current guidelines. It's all the conflicting stuff I can't arsed to sit and read through as it gets you nowhere but even more confused. God I gave my son 3 spoonfuls (baby spoons) of baby rice. He's still here 3 days later and seems the same as he has always been. I won't be giving him anymore. Just wish people could be more constructive rather than jumping down on new mothers who just wanted some advice!

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Afreshstartplease · 20/02/2017 09:10

To be fair op, you did know this was a controversial thread to start when you first posted.

GemSingleton · 20/02/2017 09:16

I knew I was being controversial but the things being said are pretty rude. There's no need for some of those comments!

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mrsp0tts · 20/02/2017 09:18

For me it was more the hiding it from your DH that didn't sit right.

Taking away contributing to a big decision and also making him miss out on a step in his child's development was mean.

If someone started a thread saying a MIL or some other relative had started weaning behind a parents back there would be uproar. Or imagine if a dad had done it behind a mums back?

At the end of the day you asked for advice and opinions and got them, you even stated you knew you were being controversial.

Afreshstartplease · 20/02/2017 09:19

Which comments did you find particularly rude? I've just scrolled through and TBH don't really see any

GemSingleton · 20/02/2017 09:27

This is the last thing I say as I'm really not going to discuss this anymore because it's making me angry. He is my son and my child and I will do what I feel is best as do so many other people. I just want what's best for him, some people just need to be careful how they're saying stuff. Seems like you can't do right for doing wrong when you're a parent. Wish all you good perfect people the best with you and your children. Bye bye 👋🏼

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n0ne · 20/02/2017 09:29

Apart from baby rice being a non-food that imo shouldn't go anywhere near a growing baby, I actually think your timing is OK. In the country I live in (in W Europe) weaning guidelines are anywhere from 4-6 months. We started DD on purees of fruit and veg at 4.5 months, and fairly quickly moved onto finger food/BLW, but with milk still being her main food until 1yo. The guidelines here are based on studies suggesting this timeframe is best to prevent allergies. I know this differs from NHS guidelines which must be based on other studies, but whose data is outdated, I don't know.

GinIsIn · 20/02/2017 09:29

Why did you ask if you didn't want an opinion?! Confused

ImYourMama · 20/02/2017 09:34

The NHS website is the only one you need to read. Not having time is a piss poor excuse

And I think you really need to stop being so selfish at wanting him to go longer between feeds and instead feed him as advised by medical professionals.

GemSingleton · 20/02/2017 09:37

Wow there we go. Here comes the commenting about my parenting. Just get back to you're own life and stop judging me by mine. He's a happy little boy some I'm obviously doing something right. I've not slammed anybody but just said about how I feel. If they wasn't suitable why does it say on the packaging? Maybe it's those people you need to be having a go at. 🖕🏼

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ImYourMama · 20/02/2017 09:49

Because the packaging is designed to sell a product

To make profit

For the companies who sell the product

Of course they're designed to make you buy them! Stop feeding him baby rice, give him milk, at 6 months introduce either purées or baby led weaning (you may need a google search to tell you which suits you)

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