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BLW is all very well if....

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babybore · 14/02/2007 13:51

  1. Your baby has very good gross motor skills
  2. You are not concerned about their weight gain
  3. You have the time and money to prepare a wide variety of foods, most of which end up on the floor.

My dd is 7 months, weaned at 6. I was looking forward to weaning her as she was under her growth curve and I thought it might help her get back on it (it has). I have been trying finger foods but have mainly relied on home-cooked mashed or pureed food as she does not yet have the dexterity or the brain development to understand that the stick of brocolli put in front of her is her lunch, no matter how long I leave her with it.

If I had done BLW, my baby would be unhappy and underweight (she loves her solids) and I would be miserable and worried. So while it works for some babies I really think a degree of caution needs to be exercised in believing that all babies can eat finger foods from 6 months.

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lulumama · 14/02/2007 17:40

i just leave a bit of my lunch in a bowl for dd to have when she wakes, or make her her own lunch

VeniVidiVickiQV · 14/02/2007 17:42

Strong flavours not a problem at all lazycow. Why would they be?

As for seasoning - if you mean salt - well, the reduction in your family's salt intake can only be a good thing anyway, cant it?

Enid · 14/02/2007 18:37

god there is no way I am cutting out chili and salt from my diet

I feel it is my right as an adult to eat more interesting food than my kids

FluffyMummy123 · 14/02/2007 18:37

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harpsichordcarrier · 14/02/2007 19:01

"the idea that BLW babies control their own food intake better and this sets up healthy eating patterns for life."
yep, that's the point.
if you don't believe it, then that's fine.
I happen to think it makes a lot of sense (like demand feeding)
oh and mashing is not incompatible with BLW, I have no idea where that idea comes from
so many sweeping statements......

Enid · 14/02/2007 19:03

well I think its impossible to say whether that is true or not

my point is that BLW is a method, like other methods before and after it, and it is possible to feel taht you have failed if you don't do it. I have no problems with food myself so have no concerns that I will pass any on to my daughters.

Bozza · 14/02/2007 19:13

I might be odd (no comments, thank you) but both my children have always eaten at the same time as me. In fact, DD was expected to sit in the high chair (padded and reclining mistake made when DS was PFB so might as well make use of it) before we even started weaning her.

squidette · 14/02/2007 19:20

'food issues' in later life often have little to do with food.

I am really interested by this concept of Baby Led Weaning - when my first son was starting solids, i was encouraged to mash, blend, puree and squish, so that he slowly got used to more lumpiness. It wasnt DIScouraged that we give him our un-fiddled-with food, just never mentioned by GPs, HVs, books etc (those that i was aware of anyway).

With my second son, i had learned a little. I learnt that if he didnt like something - it would be spat out, if he couldnt manage it - it fell out, if it was too lumpy - it got chewed or spat out. If he LIKED it - whatever the consistency/content - he ate it.

I think i would have been encouraged with my first to have known that it was OK to offer 'adult' food As It Is (as i understand Baby Led Weaning to be based on..), rather than offer it post-blender. Having said that, i still like mashed potatoes.

Baby Led Weaning seems to be finger-food in the sense that babies eat food with their own fingers - rather than being fed by a spoon. I know other things are involved, such as time and inclination, but i am not sure where things like 'raw carrot baton' comes into to picture as finger food - to me thats just food eaten with fingers. Same as a weetabix could be! (and was!)

My first son (8) is a fussy eater now, and littlest son (5) eats anything. Maybe not directly relevant to the way they were introduced to solid food, but still interesting.

VeniVidiVickiQV · 14/02/2007 19:40

Nothing wrong with chilli. Salt obviously has health implications in everyones diets, not just babies.

That said Enid, if you want your children to grow up with a healthy attitude to food - then surely there shouldnt be any foods that are seen to be "adult treats" only?

Enid · 14/02/2007 20:18

I never think about things like that VVVQ. They never cross my mind. I give my children what I like and what they like. I enjoy cooking. Treats to us are just as likely to be figs or a mango or roasted garlic as a doughnut or a chocolate brownie, or a packet of Doritos!

VeniVidiVickiQV · 14/02/2007 20:20

Oh indeed. Me too. My kids go mental for blueberries, oranges, and pears in particular.

its just that you said..."I feel it is my right as an adult to eat more interesting food than my kids", which is why I asked.

Enid · 14/02/2007 20:22

oh I was being silly

I thought it sounded funny

VeniVidiVickiQV · 14/02/2007 20:22

LOL! Well, it does now

Enid · 14/02/2007 20:23
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terramum · 14/02/2007 20:58

Lazycow - my DS (only child so far) had a HUGE nap in the middle of the day from 11sh to 3ish for much of his early BLW months & was always very full of milk from his first feed of the day when we ate breakfast so he at only at supper time with us until he was nearly a year old. Did just fine on just bm & one "meal" of finger foods a day just fine. I took his routine as a way of ensuring that he didnt have too much solid food too early so his bm intake wouldnt suffer, therby ensuring he had all the nurtients he needed.

Doing blw has also meant we eat a LOT healthier now - no salt at all

Goodasgold · 14/02/2007 22:06

Hello I know it's a bit late to post here now, I've been lurking, but it was the informative and intelligent discussion of blw on mn about a year ago that helped me decide to do this with dd2 now 11 months. Thank you-
I'm pleased about that I think blw is fab

AitchTwoOh · 14/02/2007 23:10

terramum, i totally agree about the naps and eating. the whole three meal a day thing is pretty bogus and a luxury that is available to us in the western world, so if dd slept while we ate lunch then so be it. if she woke up hungry then she as offered milk for sustenance followed by food for playing if i could be bothered. i reckon that she was about 11 months before she was regularly eating three times a day, but she never ran short of milk feeds. it's not that big a whoop, the whole BLW thing, do it if you want, don't if you don't.

everyone's doing that they think is best with regards to weaning in the context of their inclination, the research, their time, their 'routine', whatever... colditz is right, in ten years time you won't be able to tell the difference between who was spoon fed and who wasn't.

extrapolating from the BFing on demand theories, the BLW children may be more accustomed to controlling their own appetites but there will be other factors that will be involved in a child's prevailing attitude to food, not just whether they were spoon fed or not.

at the moment it's interesting to me to find out what happens, and it's certainly easier for me to give dd our food than make up separate. and we do eat strong flavours, in fact dd has been known to turn her nose up at a mild cheddar.

but it's not a war, and it's no more something to fail at than every other part of being a mother. plenty of instinctive BLWers felt that they were failing at pureeing until they discovered the Rapley study that indicated that giving finger food alone was 'okay'. of course it's okay fgs, but you ask belgo or lulu or my friend vitomum (who panicked about the fact that her son didn't eat til he was one) how they felt at the time. in vitomum's case there was months of stress that BLW's 'just for fun until they're one' mantra would have saved her. at least that's what she tells me.

and Enid, you must stop this now, everyone knows you are Annabel Karmel in disguise... but what about a lychee stone..?

Twinklemegan · 14/02/2007 23:18

Oh please please can we not create yet another no-go, instant argument, topic. I don't think anyone's ever said (or I hope not) that weaning your DC onto pureed solids rather than finger foods is harmful. BLW in terms of feeding only finger food just didn't appeal to me, so I give some finger food along with purees which works fine for us. Each to their own I'd say. But I don't think it's only about finger food anyway is it?

AitchTwoOh · 15/02/2007 00:04

so true, twinkle... if blw doesn't appeal to you then do your own thing, a mix of finger foods and purees (although don't call it 'BLW and purees' ) or just do purees alone. parent and child need to be happy and unstressed, that's the main thing.

obviously, though, i am a staunch advocate of BLW cos it's worked so well for us, and i don't think that anyone should be asked to apologise for trying to politely answer questions that people ask about the subject.

there's actually hardly any written info about BLW, and for some reason MN has become quite a hub of BLWers so i think that's why the Weaning board sometimes looks a bit lop-sided. if you google BLW you do get a lot of MN threads coming up, so that attracts people to MN to ask questions which in turn leads to more evangelical BLWers...

i really am at a loss as to why the subject of BLW in particular has become so contentious recently. [baffled]

maewest · 15/02/2007 08:21

Just to say thanks to all of those who posted about '3 meals' and naps etc. My DS is still pretty random in the day about naps. Quite often he'll want to go back to bed as soon as he's had his first bf of the morning (which was a relief this mornin as it was 5.30, but sometimes is 7am). Then it's all up in the air until bedtime. He also sometimes settles by himself and sometimes I bf him to sleep. He usually sleeps for 45 mins, but keeps me on my toes by ocassionally slipping in a longer nap, usually when we're due to be somewhere . Anyway (get to the point woman) it sometimes feels difficult to work out where I would fit in these 'three meals' into his day as he is quite often asleep when I want to eat. By doing BLW and continuing to bf on demand it loosens this up IYSWIM.

Oh and I do have an Annabel Karmel book 'Complete First Year Planner' that someone gave me before DS was born. DS is very keen on eating glossy paper at the mo....

tiktok · 15/02/2007 08:24

Difficulty is, that along with breastfeeding and formula feeding, people make the mistake of posting stuff which is innaccurate, misleading, or extrapolated from their own experience only.

Then people who know a bit more about it come on to correct it.

Then they in their turn are accused of being critical, or jumping down people's throats, of being smug, of making others feel guilty.....you know the rest

Jimjams2 · 15/02/2007 08:33

babybore- does your baby mouth much? Ds3 didn't - well he did - but far less than I would have expected compared to ds1 and ds2- no idea why. He also took ages to understand the point of finger foods. Literally would not put anything in his mouth (and he's developmentally normal- I know all about developmental disorders). Apparently if they don't mouth a lot then their gag reflex can still be very sensitive (and far forward- apparently it moves back to the back of the throat with mouthing), and he was always gagging on food. Traditional weaning suited him fine, with me offering him finger foods. TBH he went straight from very pureeed food onto full meat and 2 veg in one jump (so was fuilly pureed for ages- well over a year) as the inbetween slightly lumpy stuff just had him bringing up his entire lunch.

Basically agree with bundles 15:15 post.

babybore · 15/02/2007 09:29

Jimjams - my dd is not one of those babies that puts everything in her mouth although we did go through that phase a month or so ago but no teeth yet. She will occasionally eat finger foods but most of the time they end up squished between her fingers or on the floor. Just not ready I don't think. She doesn't seem to gag hardly ever though.

Tiktok - this is a message board not a peer reviewed journal. Not every post has to be a research-based, measured, nugget of information. Obviously I based the OP on my own experience. I also made it contentious fairly deliberately to get people interested (it worked). I still believe what I say though - I know BLW has worked brilliantly for some but as aitch has said, mumsnet can look a bit lop-sided on the whole BLW debate and I just wanted to balance it out a bit.

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FluffyMummy123 · 15/02/2007 09:29

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babybore · 15/02/2007 09:35

I have perpective! I know it won't be forever and I'm happy with the way things are at the moment. I'm the happiest I've ever been in fact. I just wanted to provide my own point of view which I will not bother to reiterate once again. The ganging up on here is quite tedious. I think I'll drop the wretched subject now.

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