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Early Weaning 10 weeks

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PandaSpaniel · 16/05/2012 10:40

First off please don't shoot me.
I keep getting advised by people to give my DS a little baby rice, as he is BF and only sleeps between 1 or 2 hours between feeds at the moment.
He is putting on weight and is healthy around 11 lb 8oz at the mo.
My question is, is it harmful to give a couple of tea spoons of baby rice at this stage and would it help him sleep longer?
I occasionally give him a bottle of expressed Breast milk and he takes around 3 or 4 ounce.

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PandaSpaniel · 16/05/2012 12:54

Mumsnosbest after winding him I offer the same side but he generally does 10 mins, is full and shuts his mouth and refuses any more.

Bertie older DS at school so just the school run to contend with. DH is out at 7am and not back til 6pm and still thinks weekends are for relaxing - lucky him.

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mumnosbest · 16/05/2012 12:54

I've just re-read and seen he's only 10wks. DD didn't sleep 1-2 hrs solidly at this age, so you are doing well really. It was at about 12wks, we finally had a breakthrough. She's 15wks now and has 3hrs in the morning, 3 in the afternoon is restless all evening/night till 11:30 then sleeps through till 7:30 (sometimes wakes at 4ish but I barely even notice).
Maybe, tough as it is, you are expecting too much. Still feel for you though.

DaisyMaisyJessicaEmily · 16/05/2012 12:55

Can you do this? Go to bed yourself at 8pm as you normally do. leave baby and a bottle downstairs with your partner so he does the feeding till he goes to bed himself, then you do the others? It would at least mean that you get a good chunk of sleep?

PandaSpaniel · 16/05/2012 12:56

Starshit I got told to offer the one side to ensure baby getting the hind milk. Its bloody hard work knowing what to do for the best.

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metalelephant · 16/05/2012 13:00

Can you just stay in bed with him after feeding? No getting up, no changing unless he's done a poo, just see if he can drift to sleep with you. Sleep at any possible opportunity and ignore housework as much as possible.

I went through similar phases with my daughter but it got much much better at around 3 1/2 months.

GoPoldark · 16/05/2012 13:01

It is REALLY hard - it's a growth spurt - there is nothing you can do but hold the line and feed, keep feeding, and it WILL end!

I have been where you are, with bf DD. It won't last long, honestly.

WRT the rice - NO. Definitely not, but you know that really! We've all been there with the idiots well meaning people who push baby rice at a ridiculously early age. It WON'T HELP and it almost certainly WILL HARM.

Think about it. Your milk is what he's used to - thick and full of calories. Replace some of that with what is, essentially, powdered nothing. No density, not half the calories. Will he feel fuller for longer and sleep more? Probably not. Will he be better nourished? Absolutely not, far less calories (which would help him grow more and get through the spurt quicker). Will it harm his digestion? Well at this stage his gut is immature, evidence says that YES it can harm in the long term, in the short term it could give him digestion issues which could send his sleep right out of the window anyway! And if you upset his feeding schedule now by encouraging him to take less milk than he needs by filling him with dust - then that's not going to help any long-term routine.

People basically look at a 'solid' and think it's 'proper food', as opposed to milk being a 'drink'.

It's exactly the opposite. You'd feel fuller and happier for longer after a pint of full-fat milk than a huge bag of popcorn - full of air and nothing. That's baby rice.

metalelephant · 16/05/2012 13:03

Panda, do offer the other side too, the whole fore and hind milk is overstated, in fact it's not even mentioned by many breastfeeding consultants anymore.

Offer the second breast, by all means. If your baby only drinks a little, offer that same side again on the next feed. I only stopped offering both breasts after 5 months, my baby needed both for a long time.

mumnosbest · 16/05/2012 13:06

Doesn't get easier, we'll be having sleepless night waiting up for our teens before we know it!

When he refuses the first breast, give him a minute then try the other. I learnt this with DS1 who was a big hungry baby from day1. He soon learnt when the 1st breast was empty so wouldn't open his mouth and I assumed he was full. When he got a taste of the first milk from the second breast he started feeding all over again.

I'd suggest talking to DH but know what it's like to have a stressed, tired DH, who thinks he's had it tough at work all day and should have time to relax as you've been sat on your sofa, watching Jeremy Kyle all day . I know I'd find it easier to struggle alone than causing an argument with DH sometimes.

Do as I do, get DS to school, forget the housework and rest of the world, put a comfy chair in front of the computer, sit with baby in lap and breasts out for constant feeds and rant let off steam to all the lovely, sympathetic mumsnetters Grin

PandaSpaniel · 16/05/2012 13:15

I will definitely try offering both breasts and stay away from the baby rice. My older son had to have soya formula and due to some other health issues was weaned very late. He still had total mush at 9 months so it was never an issue with him.
This time I feel like a new mum all over again.

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mumnosbest · 16/05/2012 13:19

I think yo are a new mum every time you have a new baby as they are all so different and don't follow any rules.

PandaSpaniel · 16/05/2012 13:23

mumnosbest, you have captured my fellas thoughts exactly. He really does think I do nothing but sit on my bum watching Jezza, whilst he slaves away scratching his balls and smoking, pretending to work lol

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mumnosbest · 16/05/2012 13:29

I think matbe we're with same bloke, mine says he's at work now, is he there really Grin

StarshitTerrorise · 16/05/2012 13:30

Ah Panda, sadly I'm aware of the conflicting advice out there but if you call any of the bfing helplines they woukd recommend you offer as many sides as you can get away with at each feed. It I less tiring for the baby, boosts your supply, quickens your supply and ensures that the tummy is as full as it can be.

By all means ring a helpline, in fact it is probably a good thing to do anyway for reassurance.

TeuchterInTheCity · 16/05/2012 13:31

Definitely offer both sides at every feed, and then start the next feed with the second boob, however much/little he has taken. It may be that he's taken enough milk to satisfy him for a while, but his tummy isn't completely full.

NHS feeding advice is now more about 3 stages of milk, which does become thicker and more calorific towards the end of the feed, so baby has to work harder to get the milk out, so switching sides when he comes off means he will get the more liquid milk from second breast which is easier for him to do. I hope that makes sense?!

Definitely leave baby and bottle with DH for a couple of hours to get some rest and go to a b/f support group if you can - even if it is just to talk to other mums going through similar experiences. That always makes you feel better. You're doing a grand job :)

sherbetpips · 16/05/2012 13:36

Are you sure he isnt just a sucky baby? have you tried a dummy? Yes I know akin to a swear word but it certainly helped us with a baby that fed every 45 mins!

mumnosbest · 16/05/2012 13:51

PMSL at StarshitTerrorise. How many boobs you got? I only have 2 sides 'you offer as many sides as you can get away with' Grin

StarlightMcKenzie · 16/05/2012 13:59

Grin you just keep switching til baby gives up.

Then don't worry what side you offer next time as if it is 'wrong' side baby will give up sooner and will then go on 'right' side.

BertieBotts · 16/05/2012 17:27

Angry at DH for not pulling his weight here. He should be supporting you more.

I agree with keep offering the other side, even if it means going left-right-left-right-left all in one feed. Don't worry about the foremilk/hindmilk. It's all milk :) If you hear anything related to foremilk and hindmilk, take with a pinch of salt as it's outdated now, so you have no idea how accurate that person's advice really is.

mumnosbest · 17/05/2012 09:48

agree with Bertie and starlight. A hungry baby will suck both dry anyway, foremilk, hindmilk, regardless ofright or wrong side :)

PassTheTwiglets · 17/05/2012 16:03

This will probably sound stupid, but are you sure he's hungry? My DS cried and cried and each time I assumed it was because he was hungry (because a bottle would settle him) and he'd gulp it all down. But then I realised that he wasn't hungry, he was crying because he was tired! I assumed the milk was what he wanted because the bottle soothed him but I think it was just the action of sucking that soothed him, it wasn't actually the milk.

Janoschi · 18/05/2012 11:28

Second twiglet. I had a similar thing where I thought DD was hungry constantly (and I mean every 30 odd minutes) but baby just liked sucking. She hated dummies but liked my little finger. I used to try first if she just wanted my finger and if she did and was happy sucking it, I didn't feed her. It helped enormously. She was a very sucky baby but not dummies or her own thumb.

PandaSpaniel · 18/05/2012 18:18

He has a dummy which he likes just when tired. If he is hungry he wont have the dummy. He also has a different cry for hunger and tiredness IYKWIM. I was gonna ask my darling fella to stay up with him tonight but he now has man flu!! GRRRRR

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