Where to find a loan pony for our pony mad boy

[Florin]

We are in the really lucky position to have a private yard at the bottom of our garden. It isn’t ours but we have become friends with the owners and she has taken our pony mad boy under her wing and has offered to let us have a stable for a pony for him which he would love as he loves his riding lessons and helping with her horses and even begs to go out poo picking each day. However we just can’t find anything suitable. We need a 13-13.2 first pony that will be stabled with 2 geldings. Any tips of places we may have missed to look?

Not as bold xc though as English riders!

Yeah Ingrid Klimke, Michael Jung and Andreas Dibowski are famously wussy incompetents.

BTW I assume you were just joking about the ‘logs in woods’ jumping and you are aware of the serious danger of rotational falls inherent in unsecured cross country jumps.

Of course I'm not joking about jumping logs all mine event now so they are perfectly good safe riders thanks.

There’s nothing wrong with jumping logs!

And you’re less likely to have a rotational fall at an unsecured fence as it gives, but more likely to have a nasty fall in other ways as the fence gets involved when you all come tumbling down/more risk of entrapment.

Absolutely and entirely wrong WellErr and British Eventing as well as the FEI do not agree with you. All solid fences must now be secured so that they cannot roll forwards (and this has been the case for a few years) as this is exactly what can cause a rotational fall over even a small log. There was a massive campaign which included the parents of a young rider who was sadly killed this way. There is an extremely distressing video of the fall that her family have published on line in the hopes that it will help others avoid a similar fate.

Here is BE guidance on this and an H&H article warning of the dangers of unsecured fences. You cannot run an affiliated event at any level with unsecured fences, and most unaffiliated venues have followed suit.

www.pcuk.org/uploads/news/Clarification-Securing-Portable-XC-Fences-2014.pdf

www.horseandhound.co.uk/news/warning-over-unfixed-portable-cross-country-jumps-306870

Apologies for the massive hijack OP but this is a very serious issue on which posters have written complete misinformation that is very dangerous.

We all hunt booboos so jump everything, logs and hedges etc. Yes in competition things are much safer.

Link to the video?

I'm not talking about competitions, although they've jumped huge logs in recent affiliated competitions, I'm talking about out hacking. I thought literally everyone who hacks in woods pops logs even the germans

Booboos being a pony club chef I know all about that - you didn’t read my post properly.

Horses are more likely to have a rotational fall at a fixed fence, hence the introduction of frangible pins.
Horses are more likely to have a nasty fall involving entrapment (and possible rotation) at an unfixed fence.

I wasn’t saying that unfixed fences are ‘safer’ as they’re obviously not. I was just nitpicking about the rotational aspect.

Fazackerley no I am not linking to a video of a child dying on another person’s thread which is on a different topic. Just google it, there were reports all over the equestrian press.

WellErr nope, that is not correct either. Frangible pins are now associated with more falls because of the fence collapsing and their use is currently being reviewed. Unfixed fences roll forwards and turn what would have been a stumble into a rotational fall - this is physics however counterintuitive you may find it.

Okidoke.

I did Google but could only find eventers accidents. Nothing about logs and hacking.

Also nothing about frangible pins being reviewed due to causing more falls. I'm not saying I don't believe it as I'm sure xc safety is constantly being reviewed, but I just cant find anything.

The accident took place during a low level event but do you seriously need me to explain to you why an unsecured log you jump on a hack is as dangerous as an unsecured log you jump at an event?

You don't need to explain anything to me about jumping logs booboos

Here is the FEI report of more falls at fences with frangible pins

inside.fei.org/system/files/Eventing%20Audit%20-%20Charles%20Barnett%20-%20Final%20Report%2026.07.16.pdf

And here is a summary of that report

www.horsetalk.co.nz/2015/11/18/eventing-falls-frangible/

Florin 7 is very young to have a pony unless you have lots of horses and stables and are a 100% horsey family.
Leave it a while. Let him carry on with lessons, join pony club, help out at the stables and generally become part of the horse and pony community.

Thank you very interesting.
Being pedantic, it does not say that rotational falls are more likely at frangible pin fences.
And as the comment points out, frangible pins are more likely to be fitted on the hardest fences and give riders a false sense of confidence which may explain the falls as they have no other explanations.

You are welcome.

Being pedantic, I didn’t say that either.

wellerr "Horses are more likely to have a rotational fall at a fixed fence, hence the introduction of frangible pins."

booboos "WellErr nope, that is not correct either. Frangible pins are now associated with more falls because of the fence collapsing and their use is currently being reviewed."

That is what you said but the FEI report does not say the falls are because the fence collapses, or that the falls are rotational.

Some people just have to be ‘right’ above all else Fazackerly

Only on mn would pearls be clutched at jumping logs out hacking

I know! Extraordinary. A perfect illustration of MN not reflecting the real world. Anyway, poor OP. Sorry for the hijack and hope you find a pony soon. A 12.2 sounds perfect, easier for your son to get his legs round!

This is astounding ignorance about a serious safety issue. You don’t understand the terminology which is making you incredibly confused.

A ‘fixed fence’ is a generic way of referring to cross country fences as opposed to show jumping fences. Statistically rotational falls occur almost exclusively over fixed cross country fences rather than show jumping fences. So frangible pins were introduced in cross country to make fixed fences collapse like show jumps and therefore, presumably (because no one knows before trying them), safer than cross country fences without frangible pins.

Unsecured cross country fences are fences that might move on impact because they are not secured to the ground with braces, pins, etc. So hedges out hunting are secured because they have roots, and five bar gates are secured by the posts they hang on. Logs would be unsecured fences in their natural state. Even a very small unsecured fence can cause a rotational fall when the horse’s front legs knock it. As it gets knocked it tips and moves forward, causing the horse to rotate and fall on the rider. The same accident with a secured fence at worse makes the horse fall on its face/front. Because of their potential for lethal accidents after tiny mistakes and the ease of securing fences all cross country fences tend now to be secured. You want to let your DCs jump unsecured logs on hack and giggle about it, well done, here’s a parenting medal.

There appear to be more falls on fences with frangible pins. No one knows why. It could be because riders approach these fences faster than they should because they know the pins are here, or it could be because as the large fence collapses there is a lot of debris for the horse to have their legs caught in, or something else. We don’t know at the moment.

You want to let your DCs jump unsecured logs on hack and giggle about it, well done, here’s a parenting medal

Thank you! I shall add it to the trophy cabinet.