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Teacher training - advice please

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whatstheproblemguys · 06/06/2025 21:49

DH decided last year he needed a career change from technical sales, and decided to teacher train. He started off strong with his teaching, getting good feedback but he said he got a weird vibe from the mentor he had. I told him to brush it off and crack on and he did.
Lots of positive feedback but a few negative comments about not submitting lesson plans 48 hours before the lesson (something he says the others weren’t being made to do). He took this on board and made sure they were in, but behind the scenes she had already complained to the uni and he ended up on a support plan. The only grievance was submitting lesson plans with 48 hours notice but she’d spun it in a way that made it look like he was totally unorganised. There was never any issue with his planning and she never changed anything and he was always ready to teach the lessons!
He completed the support plan time and passed it and went off to his second placement, which he loved and smashed! Great feedback and really positive experience.

Fast forward to after Easter, he’s back at placement 1 and although the teaching feedback was fairly positive, a few comments about ensuring there wasn’t talking while he was talking etc, things were positive.
Had a great observation with the uni course director before half term, although he’d voiced concerns to the uni about how he was struggling with the increase in teaching hours and keeping up with the planning for 48 hours before the lessons but he thought he was on the home straight with 3 weeks to go…
That’s where we were wrong. The uni lecturer booked a teams meeting with him today after school, we thought it was just as catch up following their meeting before half term where he’d said he was struggling with the workload where the teaching had increased, and he was finding the mentor not very supportive. Well the uni tells him the mentor has reported him as a cause for concern, and he’s unlikely to pass this placement, meaning that he won’t pass the course.
It’s really surprised us both and the uni aren’t being very helpful. Is there any chance at this late stage that he could change their minds? Can the uni say his obs with them were good and he passed placement 2, so they’ll pass him anyway?
His confidence has taken a huge knock and he doesn’t want to go back in on Monday, and his mental health is in the gutter. He’s passed the PGCE but won’t get QTS without passing placement.
The uni say his options are to crack on and finish the next few weeks (not sure if they were saying that he could pass but they did say there wasn’t time to do another assessment). Or take a break and try again in September in a new school to do one more half term, just to pass. He said they seemed to be pushing for the latter.
I’m obviously hearing all this from him, and he’s feeling very negative, so I don’t know if there is a chance they would still pass him.
I’m a teacher of 10 years myself but this has genuinely thrown me and I don’t have much to do with trainees or the process, so I really don’t know what I’m looking at. Please support ☹️

OP posts:
whatstheproblemguys · 09/06/2025 06:35

Hercisback1 · 08/06/2025 20:21

So he's taken 30k, you've wasted people's time online, and he doesn't have any intention of actually ever teaching?

How have I wasted people’s time? I asked for advice and people offered it.
He had planned to go into teaching, why would you take on the student loans and the workload of a trainee if you hadn’t, that would be ridiculous. The way his main placement school have treated him had totally put him off, so was holding off applying for jobs and then over the weekend he said if this is how teachers are treated, he doesn’t want to do it.
I was trying to convince him otherwise, for the reasons you’ve stated, and for the fact that not all schools are like the one he is in. That and if he got his ECT he’d have more flexibility to dip in and out of teaching if he wanted to, which is what a science teacher at my school does.
The way this has gone was never the ‘plan’.

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spirit20 · 09/06/2025 16:36

If he hasn't been submitting lesson plans, then that is actually grounds for failure under professional conduct. When I was induction tutor, people were put on support plans for exactly that.

If there's issues with his subject knowledge, or how he explains them to the class, then it's completely natural that the class teacher would want to check them in advance.

You will find this very hard to argue against - he was asked to do something, which would have allowed him to get specific feedback on lessons, but he didn't do it.

Submitting lesson plans 48 hours in advance is standard in your ITT year and most providers will expect that.

Mentors can remove this demand if they are happy with the trainee's planning. This might explain why your OP's trainees aren't doing so, but it's not an excuse for him not doing so. It's not relevant if others are doing so or not. If he has been asked for them, then he needs to submit them. And honestly, it's rather immature of him to use that as an excuse, it's similar to kids saying 'all the other kids were talking etc

If he had never been on a support plan before, then it probably would be too late to fail him at this stage. However, this isn't the case here. He was on a support plan, and now the same issues are emerging again. This is actually a classic pattern for people not passing.

I think his best option is to start another placement in September. It is very hard to turn around at this late stage.

I'm genuinely not saying this to be nasty, but just to offer an objective point of view. Going by just the info you've given, I can see why a support plan is needed.

FreshAirForwards · 09/06/2025 20:30

I fairly recently employed an ECT without QTS for Michaelmas term with support in place to pass his QTS by Christmas. The university were very supportive.
We paid him an augmented salary for that term, so he wasn’t out of pocket.

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