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Get a note from your doctor: Toilet Pass

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EightOranges · 25/10/2023 10:38

Hello, teachers!

I'm not a teacher so I hope you don't mind outsiders butting in, but I do have a topic I'd like to raise with you.

I am a doctor working in NHS general practice. A recurring theme in general practice will be a mum or dad pitching up with their school-age child, and asking me to provide a 'toilet pass' for school. Sometimes they tell me that the school has specifically told them to go to their doctor to get a toilet pass.

My response to this is always the same: "I do not provide toilet passes. Is there anything else you wanted to talk about?"

If pushed, I will go on to explain that whilst I can assess any urinary symptoms (it's usually wee) and potentially provide a diagnosis, plus advice or treatment, I will not write a 'toilet pass'. I do give them the practice email address and ask them to pass it on to whichever teacher has (allegedly) asked for a toilet pass because I would, out of respect and professional courtesy, be willing to talk to them at a time that suits them. So far I have never received an email or call from a teacher.

So my question for you all is: Do you really tell kids/parents to go to the doctor to get a toilet pass?

I assume that kids who constantly disrupt lessons, by asking if they can go to the toilet frequently, are a pain in your ass. I also assume that you occasionally have some sincere concern that there may undiagnosed infections, or diabetes, or other problems which require the attention of a doctor - or maybe some other medical/psychological/safeguarding issue for which needing a pee is a less embarrassing thing to announce to the class when they want to get out of there. In these cases it's generally reasonable to signpost kids/parents to a doctor and that's why, once I've put my cards on the table re: the toilet pass, I'll always try my best to screen for these issues and discharge my professional duties.

BUT, I also assume that in many cases, you suspect this is just a kid's way of getting out of class when they are bored or wanting to go and smoke etc. And here is where I want to make it plain: once I've ruled out significant pathology, I actually can't tell any better than you can whether or not a child is genuinely desperate for a pee, or if they are just playing up. There is no validated medical way to know this.

In most of these cases, kids who go to the toilet more frequently than normal just have what we call 'functional' issues. It's a software issue, not a hardware one. I can advise parents / kids on how to train their bladder - or, more accurately, given that by this point I have about 3 minutes left, I can point them towards Eric.org.uk and give them some homework and invite them to come back to discuss it again. (they generally don't come back).

I also strongly suspect that the concept of a 'toilet pass' is something conjured up by parents who, as seems to be the trend these days, give in to their kid's whims and demands far too readily.

I'm glad I got that off my chest, and I'm very interested in hearing the teachers' side of this.

(Btw my wife is a teacher, so I know exactly how hard and shit your job can be. However my wife vehemently denies ever telling kids to get a toilet pass, so she is no use to me)

OP posts:
cansu · 12/11/2024 22:01

Here we go... I think some people must search the site looking for mention of the words teachers, school toilets, detentions, send. They must be in heaven!

Mutters123 · 12/11/2024 22:57

@noblegiraffe

Exactly 👏
However I doubt the nasty little troll will care about that. It’s only their ridiculous opinions that matter! I won’t be feeding it anymore. Never has a username been so appropriate either! 😂

Mutters123 · 12/11/2024 23:02

cansu · 12/11/2024 22:01

Here we go... I think some people must search the site looking for mention of the words teachers, school toilets, detentions, send. They must be in heaven!

I know! How pathetic and sad!

Bastardthedog · 13/11/2024 10:03

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noblegiraffe · 13/11/2024 11:09

Hopefully your article will be more measured than your posts which totally misrepresent what people have said.

Hellisemptyallthdevilsarehere · 16/11/2024 13:50

Schools issue a pass if we're made aware of a need. We don't diagnose urinary tract problems any more than dyslexia or ADHD. If we know a child needs accommodations and have evidence, we make them. It's up to parents to tell us about new problems and we don't give concessions do those who don't need them.

ridl14 · 01/12/2024 20:11

Mutters123 · 26/10/2023 19:39

Agree with the other comments. It’s a real issue in my current school and I usually tell the worst offenders that if they need to go to the toilet every single lesson then they need to see their GP because it assumed that the average secondary school student should be able to control their bladder. This usually nips it in the bud because they know their parents want them in lessons and learning. However, I can well believe that there’s a growing number of nightmare parents who are probably actually taking their little darlings to the GP deliberately misconstruing what has been said in school. To give you an example, one child in a colleague’s class asked to go to the toilet a few weeks ago (just after break) He was asked to wait as is school policy. There were parental complaints from parents whose kids didn’t even ask to go to the toilet! These parents clearly don’t understand the chaos caused by kids being out of lesson’s unsupervised! Behaviour and entitled parents are the worst part of the job!

Agreed - we've had parents tell their child to walk out if asked to wait until the next break (and in our school we have discretion to let them go if they're desperate).

I've also had a child literally screaming at me across the room when I've said no and they ask to go every lesson I see them (at eg 20 minutes until lunch or near the start of our lesson so they've only had 50 minutes since break time).

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