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Cocker or Golden Retriever?

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CockerOrRetriever · 13/09/2025 13:08

Long time lurker on doghouse and previous owner of a retired working border collie and a German/Rottie cross.

DH and I have narrowed down our choice to either a show cocker spaniel or a golden retriever as a new family dog.

I’m keen to know what people have found to be the hardest part of owning those dog breeds. I don’t care about fur or drool or mouthing or stuff like that as it’s just standard pet ownership in my eyes so please save your breath. Research only gets you so far and I want to know about the personalities, training and areas where experienced owners so often see people making mistakes or often see these dogs go ‘wrong’ so I can watch out for it an endeavour not to make those mistakes in whichever I choose to buy.

We know what we want and other dog breeds or rescues are not it, so any recommendations will be ignored.

TIA.

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ACavalierDream · 13/09/2025 13:50

I grew up with show cockers but we also used them as gun dogs. If you get a good one, very hard to do nowadays, they are beautiful dogs. They are fairly easy to train to a gun dog standard but not as easy as a lab. They are very energetic dogs that need to be exercised and trained properly or they can become difficult. It’s not easy to do but it’s the same as a working breed. They might be show dogs but they are still at heart a working breed.

it is worth noting that they are not great with children. Mine bit a few times children that bothered them. They are not aggressive but do not like to be forced into a cuddle. I personally would not have one with young children.

I must also warn you that they have been badly inbred for decades now and most struggle with heart and eye problems. The working type less so.

The most beautiful line I know of is in Scotland but they are so high in demand they only give them to people they already know.

I know you said you don’t care about maintenance but these are not your average grooming dogs. The horror of shaving is criminal for such dogs. To look after a proper cocker show dog, it’s hours of grooming. Their ears are particularly troublesome. We stopped having cockers for that reason and also because my family stopped shooting quite so much.

In conclusion, they are wonderful dogs and if you can get a good one, beautiful. But they are not city dogs and need someone who knows what they are doing to handle them. Proceed with caution.

TeenLifeMum · 13/09/2025 13:55

Very different dogs imo.

we are a spaniel family so I can only speak about those. We’ve had a working cocker and a sprocker - both amazing temperaments. I’d avoid show breeds as they can be snappy, working need stimulation but it’s really not hard, just training and they love to please. Ours have been low shedding and minimal smell. Current sprocker is a cuddly one and I adore her - she’s also been very easy (now 10 months old and a breeze, but previous cocker was more normal puppy behaviour known as our cockerdile). They are so much fun and great with our dc (got puppy when youngest were 9).

brushingboots · 13/09/2025 13:57

I have a (truly wonderful) working cocker so I’m not quite the right constituency for this, but I would just say that a lot of people underestimate how much effort show cockers need, thinking that they are necessarily calmer than their working counterparts. The show cockers I know of from meeting them on walks present as far more bonkers than my working girl. That is likely down to training, but equally a well-bred working cocker should know when to be chill and accept it happily because sitting waiting for their next instruction is part of their job. Does a show cocker have that genetic predisposition? I don’t know. That’s just anecdata, comparing my girl to other dogs we meet. But that would be my thought – if you consider a show cocker, don’t underestimate their innate spaniel-ness. A happy, well-enriched spaniel of any type is a beautiful thing to behold but a lot of them don’t get the opportunity to be so because people underestimate their needs.

I am a spaniel slave for life and would never have a show cocker, always a working one – much easier in so many ways. That might sound odd but my feeling is that with a working line you know what you’re getting, more or less, whereas with a show line that might have working in there somewhere along the lines, you might end up with something that looks sedate and chill but actually isn’t. And as above, they are less inbred and their coats far less work too.

TeenLifeMum · 13/09/2025 13:59

brushingboots · 13/09/2025 13:57

I have a (truly wonderful) working cocker so I’m not quite the right constituency for this, but I would just say that a lot of people underestimate how much effort show cockers need, thinking that they are necessarily calmer than their working counterparts. The show cockers I know of from meeting them on walks present as far more bonkers than my working girl. That is likely down to training, but equally a well-bred working cocker should know when to be chill and accept it happily because sitting waiting for their next instruction is part of their job. Does a show cocker have that genetic predisposition? I don’t know. That’s just anecdata, comparing my girl to other dogs we meet. But that would be my thought – if you consider a show cocker, don’t underestimate their innate spaniel-ness. A happy, well-enriched spaniel of any type is a beautiful thing to behold but a lot of them don’t get the opportunity to be so because people underestimate their needs.

I am a spaniel slave for life and would never have a show cocker, always a working one – much easier in so many ways. That might sound odd but my feeling is that with a working line you know what you’re getting, more or less, whereas with a show line that might have working in there somewhere along the lines, you might end up with something that looks sedate and chill but actually isn’t. And as above, they are less inbred and their coats far less work too.

I agree with everything you’ve said. We’re a spaniel family through and through.

LondonLasss · 13/09/2025 14:00

The cockers I know are nuts, hard wired to be edgy.

TeenLifeMum · 13/09/2025 14:02

Team spaniel 🐾

Cocker or Golden Retriever?
Cocker or Golden Retriever?
Cocker or Golden Retriever?
Cocker or Golden Retriever?
TeenLifeMum · 13/09/2025 14:04

LondonLasss · 13/09/2025 14:00

The cockers I know are nuts, hard wired to be edgy.

Everyone who doesn’t own cockers says this. They bomb around when out, but have fan recall and need off lead walks (a walk on the lead round the block isn’t going to satisfy them), but home they chill (so long as they’re trained - like any dog).

sueelleker · 13/09/2025 14:08

LondonLasss · 13/09/2025 14:00

The cockers I know are nuts, hard wired to be edgy.

I tend to agree. I've not had a pure cocker, but had 3 springers in succession, then two sprockers (cocker x springer) My goodness, the difference! I thought springers were active, but the sprockers are just nuts!

mugglewump · 13/09/2025 14:16

I am not a seasoned owner, but had a show cocker as a child and recently a sprocker (working/springer mix). Since she died we have adopted a golden retriever/lab cross (goldador). Personally, I think the sprocker is the best dog; fun, loving and loyal. Ours was very smart and well behaved. Understood a lot of language and we could walk her in London off-lead because she followed our commands so well. She was very low maintenance and easy going. The new goldador is also loving and loyal and loves to tear around the park with other dogs. She's only 6 months old so it's early days yet. Her blond hair shows up so much more on the furniture than the spaniel's black hair. I would say the biggest differences are energy levels, agility and size.

LandSharksAnonymous · 13/09/2025 14:17

I can't talk to Cocker Spaniels, but Goldies I can do!

Seeing as you want to know the areas where they go 'wrong.' Goldies are prone to several unpleasant/undesirable behaviours:

Resource guarding - Very often it starts as 'this is mine, don't take it' type puppy behaviour. Usually with lots of excited barking, or running away, or diving toward you then away again. It can look like they're trying to engage you in a game of fetch or chase. People think it's cute and funny. That's their mistake. Goldies are natural retrievers. It's literally in their name. So if a Goldie is bouncing around, refusing to return things - even if you're offering food rewards - then it is a problem. Very often it is the result of poor breeding (i.e. puppies not being carefully attended to in their whelping pen and thus certain puppies not getting enough food or toys - a breeder and littermates should be installing early manners in a puppy) and then misunderstanding from owners. Whilst it might seem sweet that your dog has this twig, and is running away. It's an issue. Because sometimes - not all the time - but sometimes, that dog gets older and starts to guard their toys, or other things, more. They stop barking in excitement and running away and instead stand their ground/growl/snarl etc.

So you need to start young teaching your Goldie to 'leave' and offering them a high-value reward in exchange from day one. Just taking whatever the dog has, or allowing unfettered access to certain toys etc, will just reinforce their desire to not relinquish things. It tends to go from 'playful' (which it's not, but people call it that) to 'guarding' at about 8 months of old. But I've seen this sort of behaviour in very young puppies before. It's particularly problematic if you have children.

Separation Anxiety - Goldies are really prone to this. They naturally want to be with their 'people' and don't like to be left alone. Lots of people call them 'velcro' dogs but that just simplifies their behaviour to unhelpful levels. Goldies need to be trained to be left carefully - you cannot just go cold Turkey and dump them in a crate or a play-pen and expect them to be alright. For a lot of people, the Goldies natural instinct to be with their 'people' isn't really an issue...but it will be for some families. Over the last twenty years or so, almost every Goldie - even the working lines - really has been bred to be a people dog. Most working Goldies I know live in the house, not kennels. If you move too quickly with your Goldie (in part because they are so sensitive - see below) you could end up with a dog you can never leave alone.

Reactivity (Dogs & People) - Goldies are incredibly sensitive, which is great. It's part of why I love them. But it also means if they are not properly socialised (and socialisation is not 'greeting everyone all the time all at once') or experience once to many bad 'experiences' then there is no bouncing back. It won't be excited barking but rather 'stay away from me' type barking - often with lunging and snapping. So it means when you have a young dog like a Goldie - that grows big, quickly, and will often find themselves being barked at by smaller dogs - that you need to take care when exposing it to the world. Lots of people have very nasty dogs off the lead and some dogs are fine being snapped at all the time, Goldie's are not one of those dogs. And the last thing you want is a 40kg dog that's reactive.

Destructiveness/Other Negative Behaviour- There is a reason the KC says that Goldies need two hours of exercise a day. The KC often under-estimates the needs of its dogs, in my experience (it says a cocker needs 'up to' an hour a day, which is just pure insanity). Goldies are intelligent and they are high-energy. Two 30 minute walks a day, and sticking a kong in front of your dog will not cut it. Your dog needs good exercise and to be engaged with - not just have a snuffle matt or a kong shoved at them. There have been so many posters recently with a variety of dogs saying 'but I give my dog a kong twice a day, why is he still barking and stimulation.' Kongs etc. have their place but they are not a quick fix for actual engagement and training. So you need to be prepared to put proper effort into giving your Goldie attention, or it will make it's own mischief - and for some dogs, and people, that's fine. But for lots of Goldies it just means you end up with a 40kg powerhouse with too much energy and not enough training.

You're going to get a tonne of people tell you how their dogs of these breeds are precious princes and princesses and they've never displayed any bad behaviour. Most of the time that's down to sheer, dumb, luck rather than anything they've actually done themselves to develop a happy, healthy, dog.

Ultimately, what many people fail to realise is that a Golden Retriever is not a Labrador. Just as a Cocker Spaniel is not a Cavalier King Charles. The breeds are as distinctive as a Doberman is to a Caucasian Shepherd.

stayathomer · 13/09/2025 14:22

It depends what you mean as a family dog, I adore my dude (cocker spaniel), but wouldn’t advise if you have children under 12, they are so high energy and I know you said you don’t care about mouthing but if you have kids it’s so difficult. Everyone I know who had kids and cockers are fairly exhausted 😅 Add to this they are very clingy dogs (loyal and lovely but sooooooo human oriented). I suppose the family question is a thing here too, young kids and retrievers are very big and can be bouncy (we had retrievers as kids)

Wheresmyseakelp · 13/09/2025 14:23

I’ve had a golden retriever. Gorgeous in many ways but mine had a nasty streak and I couldn’t trust him with other dogs (including my others), resource guarded (which I believe can be a trait), and I was shocked at the shedding. I would do more research in the breeder than you think necessary and be patient in waiting for a pup from the right breeder and don’t waiver from this.Plus don’t assume because of their looks and seeming placid nature that they are all like that, again breeding and temperament above everything. They are a lot of dog!

Can’t compare to a cocker but one thing is you can pick up a cocker eg to carry over a stile, not so much a GR!

Wheresmyseakelp · 13/09/2025 14:26

Brilliant post @LandSharksAnonymous

ACavalierDream · 13/09/2025 14:45

brushingboots · 13/09/2025 13:57

I have a (truly wonderful) working cocker so I’m not quite the right constituency for this, but I would just say that a lot of people underestimate how much effort show cockers need, thinking that they are necessarily calmer than their working counterparts. The show cockers I know of from meeting them on walks present as far more bonkers than my working girl. That is likely down to training, but equally a well-bred working cocker should know when to be chill and accept it happily because sitting waiting for their next instruction is part of their job. Does a show cocker have that genetic predisposition? I don’t know. That’s just anecdata, comparing my girl to other dogs we meet. But that would be my thought – if you consider a show cocker, don’t underestimate their innate spaniel-ness. A happy, well-enriched spaniel of any type is a beautiful thing to behold but a lot of them don’t get the opportunity to be so because people underestimate their needs.

I am a spaniel slave for life and would never have a show cocker, always a working one – much easier in so many ways. That might sound odd but my feeling is that with a working line you know what you’re getting, more or less, whereas with a show line that might have working in there somewhere along the lines, you might end up with something that looks sedate and chill but actually isn’t. And as above, they are less inbred and their coats far less work too.

I agree show cockers are not as good as a working cocker on a shoot. Ours did the job but not to the standard of a working one. And certainly nothing as good as a springer. But ours were pets and lived with us on the sofa and beds and not in kennels as most of friends have for their working breeds. But still they are spaniels and need to work.

CockerOrRetriever · 13/09/2025 16:06

Thanks @LandSharksAnonymous that was precisely the sort of information that I wanted. The fact you and @Wheresmyseakelp have both mentioned resource guarding is very interesting given how often they are touted as being beyond reproach in terms of personality.

I’d be interested to know if anyone has any information/background along the lines of what the PPs have said regarding Golden Retrievers for Cocker Spaniels. And it will be show. I have no interest in a working cocker spaniel.

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SpanielsGalore · 13/09/2025 17:23

I have always had working cockers, but have friends with show ones. Landsharks and I always say GR and cocker spaniels are very similar.
To be honest, all of the problems Landsharks listed can also be true of cocker spaniels. Although a show cocker would probably be happy with less exercise than a goldie.
Have a browse on the cocker spaniel forum to see what issues people have with them. Bear in mind though that people usually only post when they have a problem. Lots of people own cockers without issues.
You do need to do your research into finding a good breeder though. They used to be a very popular puppy farmed breed.

www.cockersonline.co.uk/discuss/index.php

Umbilicat · 13/09/2025 17:41

Out of pure interest OP why no interest in a working?

Spanma · 13/09/2025 17:50

I have a show cocker and a wcs. My show is a lovely dog and from a very good line, but way more difficult in every way than my worker.
If I had to choose between a goldie and a show cocker now, 100% a goldie, but I'd have another working cocker in a heartbeat.

SpanielsGalore · 13/09/2025 17:54

Spanma · 13/09/2025 17:50

I have a show cocker and a wcs. My show is a lovely dog and from a very good line, but way more difficult in every way than my worker.
If I had to choose between a goldie and a show cocker now, 100% a goldie, but I'd have another working cocker in a heartbeat.

It would probably help the OP decide if you explained in what ways your show cocker is more difficult.
Have you had a goldie for comparison or has owning one show cocker put you off for life? 😂
I am with you all the way on working cockers. 💖

Spanma · 13/09/2025 18:09

SpanielsGalore · 13/09/2025 17:54

It would probably help the OP decide if you explained in what ways your show cocker is more difficult.
Have you had a goldie for comparison or has owning one show cocker put you off for life? 😂
I am with you all the way on working cockers. 💖

So my show cocker is way more excitable than my worker, always looking for attention. When there's food about she has selective hearing, and she is always asking for food!

As a puppy she was an actual cockerdile, I have never owned a dog that was so bitey as a puppy.
Mine actually does not resource guard, thankfully.

Maintaining her coat takes a lot of time (and money if getting her professionally hand stripped but I just use a Coat King these days as she is an older girl)
I have had a goldie in the past, I would have another but for their size.
Imo a worker is a goldie in miniature, but obviously not the OPs cup of tea.

Sure OP will love whichever pup she chooses.

LapinR0se · 13/09/2025 18:15

Here is my Nelson. I think he’s a show cocker? We adopted him. He is absolutely LOVELY. I have two kids aged 7 and 10 and he’s great with them.

Cocker or Golden Retriever?
ACavalierDream · 13/09/2025 18:40

LapinR0se · 13/09/2025 18:15

Here is my Nelson. I think he’s a show cocker? We adopted him. He is absolutely LOVELY. I have two kids aged 7 and 10 and he’s great with them.

I think he is a bit of both. The nose is long enough for a show but the ears and paws are too curly, it’s bit more working. A show one has more silken fur. Lovely dog though.

HauntedHero · 13/09/2025 18:42

I've never met a goldie that was anything like a cocker spaniel or vice versa beyond being generally friendly.

Golden retrievers happy to be out, want to greet everyone, but a steak of stubbornness if not heading in the direction they'd prefer and a penchant for wallowing in muddy puddles.

Cocker spaniels, living life at a million miles per hour, generally not interested in other people when out among all the good scents or there's a ball

Powerplant · 13/09/2025 18:50

I have had both - worker first and now a show cocker. The working cocker was great with kids but was always trying to get out over the fields despite frequent walks. My show cocker now is a beautiful chilled girl and absolutely wonderful with toddlers and children alike. She gets plenty of off lead walks and has good recall but loves to sleep and snuggle up when we’re home she really is a Velcro dog. The 2 cockers I’ve had have been wonderful dogs but it’s all in the training and early socialisation when puppies.

Hairyfairy01 · 13/09/2025 18:58

I have 2 show cockers from a decent breeder. Both fabulous dogs. No signs of resource guarding, have been fine with the kids. They will sleep all day given the chance but equally will go and go for hours on walks. They do become quite attached to one person, I often have a dog a my feet when using the toilet for example. Grooming can be a bit of a nightmare, we gave up in the end and they are now ‘shaved’ which I know some owners will be horrified by, but it is so much easier. Main disadvantage is they will smell something disgusting from miles away and roll in it - fox poo and even human poo a firm favourite. This reinforced their grooming to be honest. But overall, great dogs.

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