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Puppy survival thread! All welcome!

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VanGoSunflowers · 30/08/2025 18:00

Running on from our last one…

I won’t tag people because I will forget someone and then feel awful 😂

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Houndymumma · 25/09/2025 10:54

@LandSharksAnonymous on the waddle they generally pack up. Youngsters at the front, old timers at the back (a bit like all the people). Then it’s generally a slow but steady sniffathon a bit like how Bassets are portrayed in Disney cartoons. Nose to the ground, following a scent. Generally never any aggression as they’re so pack oriented and a very laid back breed. Then if something really disgusting and smelly is found, they are all in it and rolling like demons! 🙄 Years ago when we were in Sussex, we use to regularly all meet on Ashdown Forest. There they mostly sniff out picnics. I remember one time a young courting couple having a romantic picnic were suddenly swamped by a whole pack of Bassets. It was a bit mortifying to say the least.

VanGoSunflowers · 25/09/2025 12:58

@brushingboots thank you for the solidarity- that story does make me feel better 🤣 bless Pupsy, she wasn’t sure where to go! I felt bad both for my host and for Pablo after that. Poor buggar didn’t know where he should go and while I did show him in to the garden half way through the night (we were sat on their fenced in ‘yard’ while the garden is a few metres away) for a wee, he totally surprised me with the rogue bowl movement. Still, it would have been worse back when he was eating chicken kibble 😂

@GoodBones85 I thought I was asking the right questions too regarding health tests and things. It’s a bit of a whirlwind sometimes - if (when) I get another puppy I will know for next time. Like your breeder, mine didn’t ask me many questions beyond a very basic questionnaire!

I agree that kids have a knack to winding puppies up. For the first couple of months, it must have been very confusing for Pablo because my son is only with me for half of the week and at his dad’s for the other half. So one half was very calm, structured and predictable where he had adequate opportunities to nap (which as we all know makes a huge difference to their behaviour!) and the other half there was another small person in the house that can’t sit on the sofa without being a total fidget and waking him up!

On trying to get them to respect each other’s boundaries- I must admit I have probably trained DS more than Pablo in that way 😂 with P, it was teaching him to not jump up, teaching an ‘off’ command when he forgets himself and does it anyway and I spent time playing with him and saying ‘no’ if he mouthed me and rewarding him when he didn’t. He caught on pretty quick with that one and for the most part, rarely nips unless over excited - he usually opts for one of his toys or his sex dog to get out pent up frustration 😂

With DS, it was explaining to him that he is older and therefore wiser and he needs to be responsible. I think in some instances, kids enjoy having responsibilities and he is very good at, for example, letting P out to toilet when he needs to and figuring out when he needs something to chew on etc. I showed DS how I train P, and supervised him having a go so that if he wants to interact with him, he knows he can get a small handful of kibble and do some ‘training’ with him

He will sometimes want to throw toys for P to retrieve or to play with but I have had to work very hard on explaining to him not to hold it above his head and make him jump up for it, and to try and watch the signs of when P is about to get too overstimulated. In the past, P has mouthed at DS and I’ve consoled him to by explaining that P is still just a baby and doesn’t mean to hurt (we are lucky that P’s bite is quite gentle) so on the odd occasion it happens now, DS knows to remove himself from the situation and let them both calm it down a bit. DS tends to copy what I do so if P jumps up he will firmly say ‘off’ (that’s if I haven’t caught it first) or turn his back on him. I had to tell DS a lot that, whilst he looks cute when he is curling up to go to sleep, you must leave him alone. Don’t put your arms around him ever and don’t bother him unless he comes to you for affection (P will lie on DS’ lap now!) I once caught DS about to throw a blanket over P and had very stern words with him over that. All about respecting P as an animal etc.

Im not going to lie, managing both of them together has been the hardest part of raising a puppy for me so far and the little break the three of us had away at the end of the summer was difficult. But they seem to have found their stride with each other now and things are far calmer. On the day at the beach on Sunday, they were absolutely perfect together and it was a joy to watch as well as huge relief!

Sorry for the waffle! Anyone who read all that did well 😂

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Aubrielle · 25/09/2025 12:58

I love the description of the "waddle" @Houndymumma it sounds like a wonderful thing to be part of. I do think the Basset is one of the most endearing dog breeds ❤

VanGoSunflowers · 25/09/2025 13:03

@LandSharksAnonymous haha, not a creepy toe licker but when he comes looking for a cuddle, he essentially lies on my neck and puts his arse right in my face if that makes you feel any better 😂😂
The other dog didn’t react when he did it, she was fast asleep on the sofa! I was proud of her actually because she was quicker to put him in his place
last night when he was getting in her face and he was listening thankfully!

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LandSharksAnonymous · 25/09/2025 13:40

@GoodBones85 even when he's being a bitey terror monster of doom from the firey pits of hell? 😂

@Houndymumma to be fair, I can't think of many things better than having a picnic and having a swarm of dogs run all over me...but maybe I am a bit odd! Can you video the basset waddle? I just want a video of dozens of dogs walking together with their noses down not paying attention 😍It all sounds very relaxing though

@VanGoSunflowers it's so hard with kids, because their instinct is to be absolute terrors and to not understand that dogs are very sensitive. Nut it sounds like a combination of you being very 'on the ball' and your son being a bright spark (and listening to you!) has paid off wonderfully

I remember when DD1 was a toddler and Clem was born, and it was an absolute nightmare. I had Hen, who was 3, Clem who was an eight week old puppy, DD1 who was 2 and and DD2 who was only about a year old. I think I spent about two years in a state of being completely strung out and walking on egg-shells. And Clem's a feisty little madam which did not help.

That's good on Pablo's friend though! Dogs do need other dogs to tell them off sometimes. I take such pleasure in watching me rabble respond to each others signals because it shows me just how close they are - sometimes Hen doesn't even need to make a noise, she can just walk into the room and Twatdog will instantly stop being a dick. It's great 😃

Aubrielle · 25/09/2025 14:14

It sounds as if Pablo is making a huge amount of progress @VanGoSunflowers and I love hearing how you are managing things with training P and teaching your son to be a good dog handler. It's also great how your friend's older bitch is teaching pup good dog etiquette. In agreement with @LandSharksAnonymous that having an older dog around is incredibly helpful. I missed that this time around after being a multi dog household for many years.

As far as puppies - our first was from a commercial multi-breed kennels, so likely a puppy farm dog too. It's so easy not to see those red flags with your first pup, because you don't really know what's normal. Second pup was from a pet bitch on a farm.

After that we were a bit more clued up and dogs 3-7 all came from small show kennels, so basically we vaguely knew their breeders from the show circuit. With three of them we were on a waiting list for a very long time before the pups were born. That's when we saw that there is a world of difference between a breeder with little experience and one with total dedication to their breed, who gives the puppies the best possible start in life.

Our current pup is from a breeder that was new to us. We had to fill in a 4 page lifestyle questionnaire and provide two written references (we did vet and breeder of a previous pup) before we were considered. The breeder gave us hip and elbow scores for parents and grandparents and shared some video of the puppies to start with. We only paid a deposit to reserve our pup after the first visit to meet pups and mum at 5 weeks, then paid the rest on collecting her at 8 weeks. We have a mutual commitment with breeder plus the owners of the stud dog, for the lifetime of our girl.

I know Landsharks is amazing at warning people what the red flags are with regard to buying a puppy. I really don't think it can be over emphasised, although we are learning that it makes people uncomfortable and some don't like talking about it. But by sharing our stories we can help prospective new puppy owners to get things right first time. So I'm not ashamed to admit that our first pup was probably puppy farmed, but we had her for over 12 years and learned a hell of a lot from her, so it all came good in the end.

GoodBones85 · 25/09/2025 15:02

@VanGoSunflowers Thankyou for sharing that - it sounds like you are doing an incredible job with both DS and pup - lots in there that I have also tried to do, but also lots to learn from. It’s just so reassuring to hear Im
not alone and am experiencing it the same as others to some degree. I agree that managing them both has been 100% the hardest bit of raising a pup. But those moments like yours on the beach makes it worth it doesn’t it!

@Aubrielle Thankyou also for sharing your perspective regarding naive puppy buying first time around. That gives me some perspective. It was a learning experience. I know better now. And that’s ok. ❤️

Aubrielle · 25/09/2025 15:29

Having a happy pup that is loved is what matters most @GoodBones85 . If you have that you're onto a winner.
And we never stop learning - even with this pup there's a lot I could have done better. Next time will be different...

VanGoSunflowers · 25/09/2025 15:59

@LandSharksAnonymous well that’s something else that goes through my mind sometimes, that I have a relatively easy pup and a relatively calm son so how on earth do people cope with multiples of either, or with younger children! And I get a break for half the week too 😂

I love that Hen can make twatdog behave himself! I am also pleased that my friend doesn’t tell her dog off for putting P in his place!

@Aubrielle thank you for saying that! I am very proud of him, and DS and even myself a little 😊
I totally agree that sharing our experiences and not being too proud to admit we have made mistakes is invaluable to other people. And I agree that a pup that is loved is so so important!

@GoodBones85 not a problem - I’d also be interested to hear what you have tried and what you have found works with yours? It’s so helpful to swap tips and advice on these things!
It’s the small moments every day as well that help
you to know progress is being made. When P comes upstairs with me, he likes to give DS a little nudge good night before he comes in to my room with me. And the other morning I woke up to DS in my bed (he always comes in first thing) with P cuddled up to him looking up at him adoringly. It really was a lovely sight to wake up to!

Just back from the vets - Pablo weights just shy of 17kgs now!!

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Idstillratherbepaddleboarding · 25/09/2025 17:03

@VanGoSunflowers flipping heck Rory must be massive as he was 15kg 2 weeks ago and he’s a month younger than Pablo! I thought he was going to be a smallish lab 😂😂.

LandSharksAnonymous · 26/09/2025 06:16

@VanGoSunflowers my secret was lots of coffee and DH being around for a year! He has his uses (on occasion). 😂

I will just say, I think a lot of ‘pack’ theory is nonsense (some of it is downright dangerous). But having an older dog, or older dogs, who know to be gentle with children and take themselves away does help with young puppies as they do look up to the adults. I see it in Eris sometimes - she looks to Pen for guidance. And Twatdog has always worshipped Hen and Hen has always been the brightest spark - even when she was 2/3 she was very level headed. So that always helps when you have children, as it means half the battle is won - you just need to deal with the kids then.

Oophh! Rory and Pablo are big boys now. Although I think Eris will overtake soon…she’s over 13KG now, and not yet four months.

I had to get up super early for the office today, and when I left the only dog who stayed to say goodbye was Twatdog. The rest, even Eris (who had been carried back upstairs and plopped on DD2s bed) had made their way to DDs room. It is lovely - the bond a child and dog can have, but it is sooo exhausting. And, as you and @GoodBones85 have pointed out, people just underestimate how hard it is!

VanGoSunflowers · 26/09/2025 08:30

@LandSharksAnonymous I don’t actually know much about pack theory. Being a total novice dog owner - I’ve watched so many videos and read books but never actually come across it! Is it very outdated now?
I can see why having older dogs around can be so useful when you put it that way. I suppose it kind of dissipates the attention from the younger ones too? They have other dogs to play with whereas P definitely sees DS as a playmate!

It certainly is joyful to watch them growing so close
together! And a relief! From my perspective, I spent a fair bit of time feeling guilty about it near the start as it was me who wanted a dog, not DS (not that he was averse to it either) so I brought this bitey little bundle of energy in and then lectured DS on how to treat him 😂 so it’s lovely to see how much he loves him now.

Yes to coffee. Coffee rights all wrongs 😂

@Idstillratherbepaddleboarding thats funny, Rory is bigger than P and you thought he was on the small side whereas I thought P was on the larger side 😂 have you any recent pics of Rory? Shamlessly fishing for a puppy pic 😊

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Idstillratherbepaddleboarding · 26/09/2025 08:37

@VanGoSunflowers a comparison pic I took the other day to his first day at home! Yeah I think he’s going to be a big lad now! Ignore the fact that he’s lying on my pole dancing boot 😂.

@LandSharksAnonymous he’s definitely looking like a small dog now not a puppy 😭. How big will Eris get to eventually do you think?

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VanGoSunflowers · 26/09/2025 08:45

@Idstillratherbepaddleboarding I love his colour - he is such a handsome boy! I was thinking that Pablo looks like a small dog now too rather than a pup!

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LandSharksAnonymous · 26/09/2025 09:01

@Idstillratherbepaddleboarding hopefully she’ll be small! But her sire was 42kg and Pen is 35Kg and Twatdog is currently 43kg (tbh he’s a bit chunky)…so I wouldn’t be surprised if she’s on the larger side.

Rory is such a handsome little man. 😍he’s getting a bit like Pablo though - all limbs and little body 😁

@VanGoSunflowers people who talk about ‘pack theory’ now tend to have typically outdated views like asserting your dominance, forceful training etc. some
of the basics (two bitches in one house - usually a bad idea - and that younger dogs typically listen to older ones/follow them - is still mostly relevant). It’s more the behaviour side that’s the issue, if you see what I mean!

Im glad we have a safe space for our coffee appreciation 😂

Idstillratherbepaddleboarding · 26/09/2025 09:02

@VanGoSunflowers aww he does 🥰. I bet they’d love to play together!

I thought I’d only ever have a black lab as Billy was so stunning. He was so shiny, he looked like I’d polished him with DS’s cadet shoe polish! My mum actually asked me what I put on his coat. But we decided a different colour would be better so it wasn’t like just replacing Billy and I looove how Rory looks in the contrast to the green grass. I bet I’ll get some gorgeous autumn pictures 🥰. The other good thing is I can see him in the dark 😂.

Idstillratherbepaddleboarding · 26/09/2025 09:04

@LandSharksAnonymous they are both working labs so will always have long legs, skinny bodies and pointy faces 🥰. I always called Billy my little supermodel as he was so long and lean!

tizwozliz · 26/09/2025 09:05

Luckily our younger one didn't pick up much from the older one as it would have mainly been bad habits! She's far better behaved than her older sister.

She has gained from having a confident older sister though.

tizwozliz · 26/09/2025 09:07

The other good thing is I can see him in the dark 😂.

Harder to just pretend they're not filthy though 😂

VanGoSunflowers · 26/09/2025 09:19

@LandSharksAnonymous ah yes, I know what you mean now by pack theory. I used to know someone who believed in all of that. Needless to say I didn’t like the way he treated his dog (he is an ex for a reason!) and his dog ended up going to a better home. I since heard he got another - an adopted Mali x GSD right in the middle of adolescence that came from a family who did no socialising or training. I hope it doesn’t end in tears!

Yes me too, I was thinking I would have to sneak us a couple of hip flasks of coffee to have with all the cake on the doggy road show and pretend it’s gin or something 😂

@Idstillratherbepaddleboarding I bet they would
love to have a run around together! That comment on being able to see them in the dark made me smile, I can relate 😂 as well as to @tizwozliz in pretending they’re not dirty - ha!
My house is quite dark, decorated in a not quite gothic style but like dark academia I think they call it - it’s great because I can’t see all the shedding fur but then I also can’t tell where he is sometimes 😂

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Aubrielle · 26/09/2025 09:25

Oh, are we doing my pup's bigger than your pup?
Hyacinth Hippo was 15.4kg at her 12 week vaccines 😂
I know, it doesn't count for anything, but it just illustrates how much bigger giants actually are than the average dog.

Agree with @LandSharksAnonymous , there is a pack order of sorts in a multi dog house. With ours it seemed to be age based - Merlin was 4 years older and was top dog, but he was very quiet, calm, gentle and he never threw his weight about or "corrected" the girls. We never even realised he was top dog until after he died (after a stroke at 10.5), when Rosie suddenly took on guarding duties.

I don't adhere to pack order training at all, although two people on mn have accused me of it by virtue of the fact that I train my dogs not to resource guard by handling their food. Whatever, I don't see it that way at all. I do what works for me and my pups, so I don't play by any rules.

Strangely, although it is said that cats are not pack animals, when we had 6 Maine Coons together, there was a definite hierarchy. It did not appear to be determined by age, sex or physical size; the undisputed leader was the one with all the brains. The other five looked to him for guidance and he kept them all in check, preventing any friction and defending the autistic one from bullying at the hands of his larger brother. The autistic boy was always bottom of the pack, below the two females - he didn't really interact with any of them apart from the clever top cat who he adored.

Aubrielle · 26/09/2025 09:28

White dogs are Teflon coated.
And they do actually seem to glow in the dark and show up in headlights.

The weirdest thing is when you see them in snow and realise they aren't white at all 🤔

VanGoSunflowers · 26/09/2025 09:35

@Aubrielle we can’t play that game because you will always win 😂
Ive always loved giant breeds. I don’t know what it is about them but I always think they look really
majestic and all of the larger dogs I have ever met have all had lovely temperaments. Having said that, there isn’t really any breed of dog that I don’t like - I love watching their little ways that are unique to them if that makes sense.

It seems like ‘too dog’ is more of a certain type of energy - almost calmly confident perhaps? When P was interacting with my friend’s greyhound, she was stood, side profile and not looking at him - very calm but assertive it seemed to be to me. While P was play bowing and barking and she ignored him. When he got too close to her face, she’d give a few barks to tell him to back off and he quickly did as he was told! Then once he calmed down, she settled on her yard bed and let him join her - as long as he was calm too. I really enjoyed watching their interaction!

You play by your own rules because you’re a fellow rebel girl! I love how secure you are in knowing you’re doing the right thing for your pup 😊

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Aubrielle · 26/09/2025 09:57

There are downsides with giants @VanGoSunflowers . They don't live as long, they're prone to joint issues, and, as pups they need calm handling. I love them but I know they don't suit everyone's lifestyle.

With me, it's part rebel girl and not liking rules, yes, but partly because I'm so very old that I was on puppy number 5 before we even had internet! I think I would have found it far harder had Brie been my first pup - there's just so much conflicting information about everything from crating to feeding to lead training. It was so much easier and simpler before - not saying better necessarily, it's brilliant having so much nutritional info etc, but it's also easy to be overwhelmed by the amount of different opinions you have chucked at you from all sides.

SpanielsGalore · 26/09/2025 10:28

I can't join in the puppy weight game, because I'll lose by miles. P is 13kg now at 4 years old. 😂
I can relate to the advantages and disadvantages of different coloured dogs. P (white) is much easier to see in the woods than K (black). But when they both came out of the murky pond and P had turned brown, I could blissfully pretend K was still clean.
@Aubrielle I feel the same way about my human babies. I am so glad I raised them before the Internet. I read stuff now about what you are supposed to do and think it's amazing my lot survived. There is helpful advice and information out there, but a lot of it just causes anxiety. Look how many rabbit holes we've been down regarding dog food.

Not sure about who would be top dog here or if there is one. K is certainly the bossiest little madam and will sometimes try to tell the others what they can and can't do. For example, she banned P from picking apples off the tree. And she'll take toys off P all the time.
But if it's something P really wants, she won't let her have it. And I noticed the other day P had something and when K went to approach her, P gave her a look and K sat down and kept her distance.
So perhaps they're fairly equal. N mainly keeps out of it all and is the elderly relative, left to do her own thing.

And @VanGoSunflowers Hip flasks won't work. I can smell coffee a mile off. 🤢
I actually bought my ex a coffee machine one Christmas. I'm not a complete tyrant. 😂

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