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Experience of Lab Retriever cross?

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dontlookbackinangerr · 13/03/2025 07:34

Thinking of getting a lab retriever cross and wondered if anyone has experience of this breed/combo in terms of temperament and behaviour? First time dog owner and looking at puppies currently. Any specific tips welcomed :)

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Startingoverandover · 13/03/2025 09:48

We've had two wonderful rescue Labs. Getting from a responsible breed specific rescue worked really well for us. Might that be an option?

We've now got a 2 year old we had from puppyhood. It was a lot of work when she was small, but much less so now as she's eager to please and has a very gentle nature (we know her mum so were fairly confident on temperament). Good luck!

FamilyPhoto · 13/03/2025 10:02

Ive got a lab/ springer cross - he was a rescue as a puppy before anyone comes for me.
They need a lot of exercise, both on and off lead so you need to train well and early, you need a bomb proof recall.
Ours had 3 hours exercise a day plus scent games to tire him out mentally.
Personality wise he is fantastic, he loves everyone and everything, very friendly.
But labradors are completely food obsessed - keeping their weight down is incredibly important.

survivingunderarock · 13/03/2025 13:55

LandSharksAnonymous · 13/03/2025 08:44

Phew! If it’s a lab, then here’s some advice I gave someone yesterday:

I'd want to see evidence of the following health tests for both parents and the below scores:
Elbows (0/0 - absolutely nothing above this)
Hips (Under 7, but I would accept under 10)
BVA/KC/ISDS - Unaffected
CNM tests (on both parents - it tests for possible muscle disorders and you do not want a pup who is affected by this). Should show as clear.
Also relevant eye tests etc.

Basically, I would want both parents fully health tested. Lots of breeders do not test for CNM, PRA or MCD - these are DNA tests which a lot of people are not bothered about. But if your pup is affected with the relevant genes, it can cause enormous difficulty - particularly for active dogs like labs.
Inbreeding coefficient (you can see this on the KC website) below the breed average.

With dogs like labs, there is rarely an excuse to have a IC above the breed average.

I'd want to know why she chose the sire she did, what happens to the bitch when she can't have anymore pups, how many other dogs she has, how many litters she breeds a year, whether she 'matches' a pup to you (or lets you chose), how many litters the bitch will have (personally, I think more than two is far too many) etc. etc.

What I would caution about is moving too quickly. It's great you've found a breeder, but deciding which breed is right for you should take months to decide. I know some Golden breeders that are vets, and I wouldn't buy a puppy from them for all the nukes in North Korea - and being registered means nothing (either KC or Council) because puppy farmers can be registered with both.

I'd also want to be thoroughly vetted by her because I'd want to know that she cared where her puppies were going - and wasn't selling them to the first person who made an offer.

Ultimately, picking a breeder and a puppy is about critical thinking and using your gut - don't take things at face value and assume because someone has X background, they're a good breeder 😊

I would add that for some breeds the only breeders health testing are those with the higher COIs. Nothing crazy but higher than the breed average.

Personally I would rather have a higher COI and health tested parents than lower COI and no or minimal testing.

dontlookbackinangerr · 13/03/2025 19:17

Thank you so much everyone, a lot to take on board here so going to read properly and digest. It's definitely given reassurance on things to look for and to be prepared for... Want to do it right and not have too many nasty shocks from it being different to what I imagine

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SoLongMae · 16/03/2025 20:02

Lots of great advice here, OP. Mine is a young lab still in adolescence so this is my own experience of being a first time labrador owner....

Ask the breeder what socialisation/desensitisation programme they do with puppies. Ask lots of questions about temperament/health/inbreeding coefficient of parents, as well as diet of both mother and puppies, what will the puppies be raised on. (If you're not sure on food, ask on here) Feed them a good quality diet with a decent probiotic and fish oil. Ask about compatibility of vaccinations and check with your vet what breeder tells you.

Get yourself on a good puppy class as soon as you can (don't wait to get the puppy to sign up; sign up for when the dog is 12 weeks old) and commit to working with a trainer for a long time, not just classes in a hall for 5 weeks. With labs, some people make the mistake of easing off when the dog starts to chill out a bit (around a year old) but labs don't properly chill out until they're at least 2 - they take a long time to mature. Adolescent labs can be bloody hard work.

Get a decent hoover for the shedding and the chewing. We hoover twice a day and oh dear god the chewing. Get them plenty of natural stuff (rabbit ears, yak chews, braided lamb skin) to chew and redirect from your furniture - ours only eased off on the chewing at about a year old and will still chew a bit if tired/needs the toilet.

Forget any shit about dominance in dog training; labs are super keen to please so go for positive trainers only. Gundog training can be a bit hit and miss - some trainers are still quite old school - but it's so helpful for labs if you can find a decent trainer. Scentwork and mantrailing also fulfills their breed need.

They are very social dogs so don't make the mistake early of letting them meet every dog otherwise it'll become an expectation and you'll find it more difficult to contain when they're adolescent and 25kg.

Be prepared for 7-9 months to be especially hard work, which is why working with a trainer is paramount. Labs thrive on the mental as well as physical so make their walks as enriching as possible - new places to sniff, hunting for food/dummies, find it games (DP and I must look a bit mad hiding behind trees for ours), training on walks etc.

You get out what you put in with a lab. I hope I'm not painting a negative picture. Both DP and I agree she's been a lot of time and effort in comparison to the dogs we grew up with, but she is bloody great and even though we are not out of the woods yet (she still has her moments) we can see what dog she will be as an adult; she is so gentle, biddable and loyal.

SoLongMae · 16/03/2025 20:11

Also if you want to PM me I can recommend some excellent breeders from both the one we got ours from, and ones friends/family have used.

Decent breeders will have a long waiting list. We put our names down well over a year before bringing ours home.

autisticbookworm · 16/03/2025 20:28

We have a lab. Contrary to my research I found him extremely difficult to train. From 9m to 2 years he went through an extremely stubborn phase he could follow orders when it suited him. We paid £££ for puppy classes followed by a dog trainer followed by a behaviouralist. The behaviouralist helped the most but tbh he mostly got better with age. His food costs £50 plus treats. He needs two 45-60 min walks a day or he’s a grief. He struggles with being left alone for long periods as he’s extremely sociable likes to play at least once a day . But I work part time and dh works from home some days. He’s ver friendly and loves people and other dogs. But can be too playful. He’s also greedy and a scavenger. Has ocaisionally destroyed things for bants

dontlookbackinangerr · 19/03/2025 11:28

Alll of this is so so helpful. Taking my time on it and will continue to research. The training seems so key so keen to work out what’s best on this for their temperament. I saw a young one in a pub the other day and it was so well behaved and calm!! But I’m sure it’s not the case for many?! I equally saw another adult one who was really big and pulling their owners on the lead with force which didn’t look good/safe.

its good hearing the general trends of the breed eg food motivated etc and the health things to be aware of. Thank you so much all, love hearing the stories too

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Gundogday · 19/03/2025 11:33

We’ve got a lab. He was hard work as a pup. Actually, can still be hard work. He’s an intelligent lad so needs stimulus. He get two 45 minutes (plus) walks a day, plus often I do training at lunchtime.

Soootired23 · 19/03/2025 11:45

I have a springador! He's cute but can be hyper

Experience of Lab Retriever cross?
planthelpadvice · 19/03/2025 11:47

First time ever dog owner here with a 1 year old working line lab (fully health tested as already covered above). She's a joy but hard work. We're still working on lead pulling and not running up to other dogs - 100% agree with PPs above about spaniels/other retrievers/fast moving medium to large dogs in particular (she's on a long line all the time before anyone says anything!) and not falling for the idea that socialisation is letting them meet every dog when they are a small puppy. The point above about it being much less fun when they are 25kg of pure muscle resonates a lot!

I haven't done enough training with her, but we are working on that and we have a trainer now for 1-2-1 support.

Research breed fulfilment - just walking around your neighbourhood on the streets is unlikely to cut it for a working lab. We do lots of time sniffing/searching for things in fields/woodland etc to meet her needs.

Agree with all others about food/chewing/hair. But overall I have loved having her.

Stillplodding · 19/03/2025 12:14

We’ve had three labs over the last two decades. We have two older girls now, almost 10 and almost 14. We are thinking about our future and whether we’d get another lab.

Our pros/cons list might help you.

The poster above nailed it. They are nitwits as puppies/young dogs- if you’re being polite. I remember sitting on the kitchen floor crying my eyes out when puppy 1 was small, thinking WTF have I done?! He’d fallen asleep on the kitchen floor when I was cooking dinner and looked so peaceful I didn’t want to move him into his crate… so we ate dinner just a few meters away in the dining room and let him be. We were out of sight for 10 min maybe… he ate an a4 sized piece of Lino from the middle of the kitchen floor. I have no idea why or what on earth possessed him!

They stay puppies for YEARS. I’d say ours were at least 4 before they’d calmed down. And the last one was probably at least 6! They are such hard work when they are young.

i made mistakes with our first dog, letting him play with every (willing/friendly) dog we met… it then became expected and was a bit of a PITA, and required extra work/sessions with a trainer to get his focus back on us. I didn’t make the same mistake again.

The shedding! My god! We have a robo hoover that goes around twice per day but if you nipped over in between you’d think it hadn’t been done in weeks.

They are not small dogs- this increase costs of everything from food and vet treatment to things like beds and chews, as you need the XL sizes.

They are food and eating obsessed. Great in terms of training… not so much for everything else. Both girls have had to go to the vets for vomiting drugs when they’ve eaten inanimate objects. The youngest is a complete bugger for it and had to have surgery (age 7, so not a puppy) to remove a sock. It is lifelong. We had another incident a few months ago where she randomly ate (in one gulp) a soft toy we’d had for years… I could see it happening but couldn’t get across the room and pull it out in time. Another trip to the vets for vomiting drugs.

It is a struggle to keep their weight in check. If they ate the recommended amount on the bags, or worse, until they were satisfied they would be morbidly obese.

BUT

They are the most awesome dogs you’ll ever have.

Their attitude to everything is ‘whooohoo!! This is my new favourite thing ever!!!’ Random people come to visit? ‘Whooohooo! You are my new best friend ever!!’ Everything is met with such enthusiasm and joy!

Ours are the most people-y friendly dogs you could wish to have. They’ve been fine with all the random children we’ve had over. They were incredibly gentle when we had babies. I can’t move at home without them following me about, even if I’m just getting something from across the room or nipping to the loo. They feel they have to come to- they are eternal optimists that there might be food on offer. We’ve not had any issues with separation anxiety tho.

They have been fine with other animals- we got chickens a few years ago and neither ever bothered chasing them etc, they can free range in the garden together. Actually the youngest was scared of them tbh. They have never been interested in livestock etc. The youngest will chase cats if given the chance but isn’t interested in wildlife etc on walks. I’m sure if we had a cat we could have desensitised her.

Our younger one now especially adores our youngest DC (8). She follows him about everywhere and just wants to be involved in everything he does. At night they spoon together in bed, her head on the pillow and tucked in under the covers.

All of ours are show bred, we actually did a bit of showing when they were younger. Our older lady did some gundog training classes when she was a young adult and loved it. She was retrieving obsessed. Oddly the younger one’s dad had his show gundog working certificate, so in theory you’d think would have a stronger retrieve instinct. She didn’t get the memo and is comparatively not that fussed.

They are wonderful family dogs. But they can be really really tough for the first few years.

afaloren · 19/03/2025 12:18

I have a Labrador Retriever. He’s the best dog in the world. We still see his siblings and they are all lovely dogs too. Agree with PP about health scores and making sure you go to a reputable breeder not some awful puppy farm or backyard set up.

They can be quite tall and are very food-motivated so you can’t leave food out unless you want them to thieve it. Mine has arthritis now which is quite common (he’ll be 9 this year) but he’s on YuMove three times a day and an injection once a month and honestly I don’t think he even knows he’s got it! Still races around like a mad thing. Very affectionate and friendly. Clever, loyal, and gorgeous to look at!

Recycledblonde · 19/03/2025 12:38

We have a lab/springer cross and he is, hand on heart, the best dog we’ve ever had. Never chewed anything apart from his toys, bomb proof recall, totally uninterested in other dogs, deer, rabbits or people on a walk. He just runs and runs checking in with us every couple of minutes. He is a food thief which is his only fault.
He is 8 and his sheer joy for living is infectious.

Twiglets1 · 20/03/2025 15:54

CatkinToadflax · 13/03/2025 09:36

We had a golden retriever/Labrador cross living with us for a year (trainee guide dog puppy). He was the most wonderful, loving, affectionate boy - but very large, very bouncy, exceptionally hairy and extremely energetic.

We have our own elderly Labrador girl, who is the most affectionate darling, but she was completely nuts until about 4 years old. She’s now bomb proof aged 9, but was a total nitwit for the first few years. We also have a withdrawn guide dog Labrador who is 18 months old and currently a complete liability, much as we love her! 😄

High five! We’re also raising a GR/Lab cross at the moment for Guide dogs.

He’s a lovely boy… very food obsessed yet doesn’t counter surf at all & has good food manners.

The moulting is terrible though - black hair everywhere!

dontlookbackinangerr · 22/03/2025 06:54

Okay amazing thank you. A very specific question, I’ve been learning about crate training. Did you guys do crate training with a lab? It seems sensible given all the comments about food/chewing.

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Twiglets1 · 22/03/2025 07:22

dontlookbackinangerr · 22/03/2025 06:54

Okay amazing thank you. A very specific question, I’ve been learning about crate training. Did you guys do crate training with a lab? It seems sensible given all the comments about food/chewing.

We personally didn’t though I know a lot of people do.

Our current Lab and our previous one both slept on dog beds in the kitchen overnight ( hard tiled floor for easy cleaning) until they were reliably house trained and didn’t have accidents overnight.

Our current puppy did chew part of the skirting board in the kitchen though, just the corner where his dog bed was placed. After that we learnt to put chew toys next to his bed!

Lovelysummerdays · 22/03/2025 07:29

My lab is 5 now, definitely hard work as a puppy. Fantastic dog she is clever and kind needs a good amount of exercise. I could knit another dog from the hair she sheds and she is short haired.

Contraryjane · 22/03/2025 07:29

@LandSharksAnonymous
I would like to point out that 60% of Guide Dogs are Labrador/Golden Retriever crosses.

Freysimo · 22/03/2025 07:37

I know people do use crates but I hate them with a passion. I've read too many accounts of them being misused.

Twiglets1 · 22/03/2025 07:37

Contraryjane · 22/03/2025 07:29

@LandSharksAnonymous
I would like to point out that 60% of Guide Dogs are Labrador/Golden Retriever crosses.

They do breed a lot of crosses now, very carefully bred I’m sure with regard to parents health & temperament.

In our Guide dog puppy class we have a couple of Lab/Retriever crosses and a German Shepherd/Retriever cross - all the puppies are gorgeous in looks and personality.

LandSharksAnonymous · 22/03/2025 08:05

Contraryjane · 22/03/2025 07:29

@LandSharksAnonymous
I would like to point out that 60% of Guide Dogs are Labrador/Golden Retriever crosses.

I’m not sure what your point is or how it is in any way relevant to ethical or good breeding.

Those breeders probably are alright, but these vast majority of people breeding two perfectly good pedigrees to ‘aims to combine desirable traits of both pure breeds’ are idiots.

Even breeding pedigrees, you cannot know what you will get - you can be confident, but not certain. Even within litters, the characteristic of each dog varies massively - let alone throwing in another random breed with its own traits. It’s an unnecessary risk tbh, and one that results in lots of dogs being abandoned when they fail to live up to the stereotype

LandSharksAnonymous · 22/03/2025 08:16

Just realised I didn’t actually say what I wanted to as I was trying to be polite. So I’ll be frank;

I would hope those breeding guide dogs are ethical breeders BUT that does not stop it being bloody stupid or unnecessary (in many cases) to breed two different dog breeds and hope for the perfect dog.

The fact the guide dog association, ‘aims to combine desirable traits of both pure breeds’ actually makes me quite uncomfortable if I am frank - it’s a huge risk, ill thought out and they have a responsibility given how large they are to be clear about the risks of cross-breeding (or indeed any breeding in general).

These crosses do nothing a well bred Goldie or well bred Lab couldn’t do with less risk

Twiglets1 · 22/03/2025 10:19

LandSharksAnonymous · 22/03/2025 08:16

Just realised I didn’t actually say what I wanted to as I was trying to be polite. So I’ll be frank;

I would hope those breeding guide dogs are ethical breeders BUT that does not stop it being bloody stupid or unnecessary (in many cases) to breed two different dog breeds and hope for the perfect dog.

The fact the guide dog association, ‘aims to combine desirable traits of both pure breeds’ actually makes me quite uncomfortable if I am frank - it’s a huge risk, ill thought out and they have a responsibility given how large they are to be clear about the risks of cross-breeding (or indeed any breeding in general).

These crosses do nothing a well bred Goldie or well bred Lab couldn’t do with less risk

They have invested millions of pounds into research & breeding programmes to produce the best puppies they possibly can to become working guide dogs. They take the health of the puppies extremely seriously and even more so if they have been earmarked as possible dogs to breed from in future.

I highly doubt they combine breeds for “bloody stupid or unnecessary” reasons. They will be doing it for reasons that make sense with regard to creating the sort of puppies most likely to live long, healthy & productive lives.

I do agree with you however that it’s stupid if anyone just assumes breeding from 2 different breeds will automatically offer you the best of both. Because unless done very carefully & ethically it could just as easily result in the worst characteristics of 2 separate breeds coming out in the puppies.

Glitchymn1 · 22/03/2025 10:29

Definitely watch the hip and elbow scores, but this in itself won’t guarantee you great joint health. You have to watch the slippery floors, jumping, ball throwing (not great), calmer is better and also watch their weight.

Good breeders may not advertise or will have long waits- I’ve been doing a lot of research lately and I’ve come across one or two whose next litter will be 2026! 😭

They are the most wonderful dogs though, loving and generally bomb proof. Mine would walk on bonfire night (his choice, he just didn’t care). A child once through a fire cracker at him and he just wondered if it was food… and he could he eat it. Puppies will be challenging, mine even chewed in his sleep, he would inch across the floor chewing, he chewed concrete, stones- anything.

They love everything and everyone. Heart breakers.

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