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Puppy Survival Thread - for old and new pups heading into winter

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Lougle · 18/11/2023 21:43

A thread to continue our journey with our puppies as we head into winter.

If you're new to having a puppy, jump straight in.

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Lougle · 21/11/2023 08:29

Oh I know I'm being deeply unreasonable 😁 If she settled slightly later in the evening (currently about 17:30-18:00) then we'd get bed time toilet about 22:30-23:00. But she's doing bedtime toilet about 21:15, so wants the toilet again at about 01:30, then she's awake for the day at 06:15. But we get a peaceful evening.

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userxx · 21/11/2023 14:55

Went to the local park today and Pupxx did us proud, we used the training techniques from puppy class and he was brilliant. He’s a fast little learner! I needed a positive day as the 4.30am start yesterday left me very unimpressed.

Namechangedfordogchat · 21/11/2023 17:24

I’ve name changed specifically to join this thread. If this is the puppy blues, I have it bad and she’s only 14 weeks, I feel so guilty to be feeling this way. I’m from a big dog family (DM a breeder years ago, worked in groomers, dog walker etc…DF in industry of working dogs etc) but this is the first time I’ve got a family dog of my own- I have dc old enough to be responsible etc. They are smitten already- adding to my guilt, even though they’ve been helping lots. I honestly didn’t think I’d struggle this much, especially being surrounded by dogs and puppies most of my younger years. DPs live too far away to help and I can’t begin to mention this feeling to them, they would not understand at all.
A friend has gently suggested it’s been difficult due to the winter weather, dark mornings and nights, muddy conditions for walking (dog walks are mostly field and river based here) harder to manage the training, she said the spring will be much better and puppy trained by next summer days will be lovely. I just feel so guilty and sad 😔

Lougle · 21/11/2023 17:26

@Namechangedfordogchat what breed is your puppy? Do you know what you're struggling with particularly? We might have some ideas.

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FoxRedPuppy · 21/11/2023 17:33

I think it’s all hard. The constant alertness needed to keep watching and be in charge. I feel like it’s a military operation just to have a shower.

I’m feeling low today. He is getting so bitey and badly and hyper in the evenings, and I know he’s tired, but I’m finding it hard to enforce naps. He will fall asleep in his bed next to my desk, but as soon I get up he follows me. Same on sofa. I have put him in his crate a few times today and although he sleeps in there at night, he doesn’t want to and protests. He did sleep, but as soon as he hears someone moving around he cries.

Do we think that if I know for certain he’s tired, I put him on crate and sit with him for the small crying he does? It doesn’t escalate and it is little whines. For clarity he is a very whiny dog, he cries when he’s excited, when he’s playing etc

Namechangedfordogchat · 21/11/2023 17:36

Selfishly, I feel a bit overwhelmed like I did when my first dc was born. Yet I know it’s not the same, but I’ve really struggled with the toilet regression (might just be a weather thing, she’s either reluctant to go out or just disappears into the bushes and refuses to come out, doesn’t do toilet) the chewing which also seemed to stop has gone back to intense skirting boards and bookshelves. Play biting is constant too. I’ve been encouraging more sleep and sometimes we see a slight difference. But barking at everything in the garden, anything if the tv is on, which makes me not want her in the room. I think I’ve just hit a point of thinking that I can’t see the joy in dog ownership at all, just want a glimmer of hope that it gets better🤦‍♀️ even though all I've seen is adult dogs in my family home and with friends, I was the only one without a dog. All they do is laugh about puppy times if I mention anything.

Lougle · 21/11/2023 17:38

@FoxRedPuppy have you tried giving him something nice to chew in there? I think if he's only whining a little, it's worth trying the comfort to see if he'll settle. Does he have a pen around his crate? Hazel often takes herself into her crate if we put her in to her pen, but probably wouldn't rest if we didn't put her in her pen because it's all too interesting and exciting.

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Lougle · 21/11/2023 17:49

@Namechangedfordogchat the best thing I ever saw was a video from Kate Olsen (My Service Dog and Me) on YouTube

Management is what helps you to cope and deal with your puppy while you train them. Her classic example is that you can spend 15 hours training your puppy not to raid the rubbish bin, or you can just put the rubbish bin behind a closed door, so you can concentrate on things that matter.

So if you don't already have one, you need a puppy pen. It's a safe, puppy proof place you can put the puppy when you can't give it 100% of your attention. If your puppy comes out of the pen, you can use a house line to restrict where puppy can get to. That will eliminate your skirting board problem.

Similarly with toileting. Do you have a place that is designated as his place to go to the toilet? If not, I'd consider deciding where you want him to toilet then taking him out on a lead. Fun stops until toileting is done. We have a toileting pen (just a wooden frame with gravel and a a wire mesh surround, with a home made gate). She goes into the pen and is let out when she's been to the toilet. Now, she runs there for a quick poo when she's playing.

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FoxRedPuppy · 21/11/2023 17:56

What if they whine and cry in the pen! Because he currently follows me everywhere I go.

Lougle · 21/11/2023 18:01

Have you played crate games with him @FoxRedPuppy ?

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Lougle · 21/11/2023 18:03

Ideally, you could have the pen set up in the room that you're in during the day, so that he can still see you. The pen I linked to can be made most shapes and you can add or remove panels to adjust the size.

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Namechangedfordogchat · 21/11/2023 18:05

Thank you @Lougle really appreciate your advice. I’ll watch that later.

thenewaveragebear1983 · 21/11/2023 18:24

Good pen tips there, mine will be arriving soon and I’m worried we’ll have left it too late. I’m going to have to work hard to make it the best place to be.

queenmedieval · 21/11/2023 18:40

Hello from 19-month-old Boxer-Staffie cross, Mars. He looks tiny in the "sitting" photo, but huge in the lying down one! So lovely so see all these pup photos

userxx · 21/11/2023 18:53

@Namechangedfordogchat Don't feel guilty about the puppy blues it's totally normal. I had a massive wobble the other week at 14 weeks, would have happily rehomed him, I missed my old carefree life, I felt trapped in the house (still do a bit).

In the last two weeks we've been to puppy class and I just feel more in control, I can see light at the end of the tunnel and if I put in the hard work now then by spring/summer my life will feel more like mine again.

queenmedieval · 21/11/2023 18:54

Oh it does get better, believe me! I went through a similar phase myself but my boy is a joy now (most of the time, still a few over-excitement issues on walks). A young pup = 24 hour watch duty. You are probably tired and, as you say, there doesn't seem to be much joy in a lot of the responsibilities and tasks associated with caring for a tiny, whiny pup. Just stick with it, love him, grit your teeth through the difficult bits and try to follow the advice (wherever you trust most to get it - I know a lot of advice from different sources seem to contradict each other). In my experience it was totally worth the stressful times and it gradually gets easier, although be prepared that different problems can occur at each growth stage (just when you think you've sorted the last one!) they all just take perseverance to overcome and you will be rewarded along the way!

Lougle · 21/11/2023 18:55

@queenmedieval he's so cute!

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FoxRedPuppy · 21/11/2023 19:16

@Lougle I haven’t because generally he’s loved his crate from day one. He drags all his toys in there etc. He’s less keen now I think because I contain when he is a bitey monster.

Thing is he is totally safe where I am working. He can see me, the downstairs in open plan and the kitchen it a few metres from where I work. There is nothing he can get into or chew. But he has to follow me. I don’t think a pen would make any difference, he’d just cry that I was leaving. He cried when I get in the shower, even if he’s in the same room as me!

Im exhausted. I just don’t know if I have it in me to do this. I need to work and I have dd around (she’s autistic and currently out of school). Like I dunno when I’m supposed to find time to read about crate games and then try them (with dc trying to help, but actually getting in my way).

Lougle · 21/11/2023 19:21

@FoxRedPuppy I understand. If he's safe then a pen might not be needed. Could you try doing some training on a settle mat? Although tbh, if he's got cocker in him (IIRC) they are known for being velcro dogs, so you have to work out how much you want to be able to walk away.

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FoxRedPuppy · 21/11/2023 19:21

Just really stupid stuff like o was supposed to go shopping for a dress for my Christmas do. But I can’t, because I can’t take him shopping. I’ve run out of some stuff and I can’t get an online shop slot for 2 days. My mental health is really suffering being stuck at home, only going out for walks twice a day.

FoxRedPuppy · 21/11/2023 19:23

I don’t mind I’m following me, it’s just that he ain’t gestating enough sleep. So then by the evening he’s a monster, he’s just drawn loads of blood from me by launching himself at my face.

FoxRedPuppy · 21/11/2023 19:44

God, sorry for dumping my emotional mess on here! Ignore me!

queenmedieval · 21/11/2023 20:08

When I brought my boy home at 8 weeks, I'd read all the new puppy advice and was assured he'd sleep for 20 hours a day - what a joke that was, he slept less than us!

We didn't get a crate, partly because I'd read so much contradictory advice, and mainly because we didn't have the space or money for the large size crate we'd have needed. We are lucky in our situation (I'm a home student and care for my partner, so someone is always home, but at 19 months Mars doesn't seem fussed at being left alone for short periods, or with a relative for a few hours). I understand crates are a necessity for people with different situations. We gave him free roam of our one-bedroom bungalow from the start (and the garden in summer) and kept everything out of reach for a few months. A few slippers, cushions and skirting boards got chewed but that phase passed. When the back door is left open he still brings sticks inside to chew, but I'm not very houseproud so just sweep it up.

When he was tiny and we got overwhelmed and exhausted by his crazy antics we sometimes shut him in the kitchen just to grab half an hour of sanity. He cried and scratched at the door and we felt bad because, for a little while, he was wary of entering the kitchen in case I shut the door on him. But that passed and we haven't had to do that for over a year.

I'm not sure if we followed the right path by giving him free roam but for the last nine months he's been a good boy 80% of the time. We're not fully there yet - his recall is ok but I only let him off-lead in enclosed spaces. He's gentle and friendly with other dogs but when he gets over-excited he forgets everything he's learned. My main problem at the moment is lead-ragging when he gets excited by certain triggers on walks, it's pretty extreme, embarrassing and a little scary when he doesn't listen to me. But overall it got so much easier over time, particularly after the first 4 months or so.

If I could change one thing I would have been less indulgent with treats and attention when he was young. I wouldn't be too stingy - any good behaviour can be rewarded - but I think puppy needs to know these are rewards, and not think he'll probably end up getting treats however he behaves. Maybe our boy just isn't very good orientated, or it's our fault for spoiling him, but treats only have a limited appeal - he much prefers the excitement of meeting people and dogs. He flunked out of puppy club because he just wanted to play while all the other pups did whatever they were told for treats!

Concerning whining, I think it's important to look at overall body language to ascertain whether there's a fear issue, an unmet need or possibly even physical discomfort. There are some good online guides for body language. Our boy is quite vocal - he cries while wagging his tail if he brings me a toy to play but I'm busy studying. He whines at the back door if he spots a squirrel and wants to chase it. He sometimes whines and does the "sulky" pose when he decides it's walkies time. I'm training myself to ignore whining, so long as I think it's attention seeking and not a genuine unmet need.

Anyway, sorry about the long message! For anybody with the "puppy blues", don't feel guilty for feeling this way - the early months are exhausting and often don't feel very rewarding. Although I broke a lot of the "rules" (e.g. free roam of the house, rewarding negative behaviours through exasperation) and suffered a lot of disillusionment early on, I wouldn't change much of it at all. Our boy makes us laugh every single day, and we still sometimes can't believe how cute he is. He can misbehave but he makes up for it with loyalty, love and laughs.

BleakGarden · 21/11/2023 20:13

@FoxRedPuppy we are having similar problems. I've been leaving the crate open and she'll take herself in there occasionally in the day. She sleeps in it all night but hates being put in for naps in the day! I also need to shop and can't! There's a Sainsbury's local near us that has a car park right outside the door. I can leave her in the car and whizz around and she doesn't make a peep. At home she'd be howling. Not the same as a proper shop but it does mean I can grab essentials.

I'm finding that when she's quite sleepy from 7/8 onwards, if I put the tv on for background noise and leave the room she accepts it. So I've been doing that just for the exposure. We've got a baby gate over the door but she doesn't follow. During the day she stands by the gate howls until she can see me. My older dog did this, I can't remember when it started to get better but now she rarely follows me and will chill at home for a few hours while I'm out.

We saw the behaviourist, she is really good. We went for a walk today where we passed lots of dogs, some quite close, with no issue. Pup certainly didn't want them in her space, but she was coping with close proximity, and even turning to watch the dogs go so displaying curiosity. There's lots of work to do but I'm feeling more hopeful.

Puppy Survival Thread - for old and new pups heading into winter
userxx · 21/11/2023 22:05

FoxRedPuppy · 21/11/2023 19:44

God, sorry for dumping my emotional mess on here! Ignore me!

This is the exact place it should be dumped! We understand. Sweet Jesus we understand 😬🫤

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