Puppy just not getting toilet training

[alleg]

18 week old Cavapoo.

I take her out every 15-30 mins, say the command word whilst she's doing her business and the reward with a high value treat.

I'm not sure whether to keep on with the command word as when I say it she will stop mid wee/poo, so ends up doing loads of tiny wees.

If the back door is open when I'm in the kitchen, she will take her would out every time without fail to toilet, so she knows to go outside?

However, she still wees and poos in the house a lot.

I'm not sure what to do? I've been toilet training her for ten weeks now.

Hmm this is difficult and I'm not sure what to suggest really, my CKCS hasn't had an accident since 10wks and she's almost 1 now.

I don't think an 18wks old should be needing to wee every 15-30 mins could she have a UTI?

I never did the taking her out every 30 mins thing, I just watched her like a hawk and as soon as she started crazily sniffing round on the floor I'd take her out then as she was doing her business I'd say the cue word but I'd just say it in my normal voice rather than my happy praise voice so I didn't distract her. Once she'd finished I'd say "good girl" give her a fuss and a treat.

I'd obviously take her out to see if she needed a wee after waking/eating or if she'd not had a wee for a couple of hours otherwise I'd leave her until she looked like she needed to go. She soon started going by the back door herself.

You shouldn't leave the door open when you're toilet training - it just confuses them. Put it this way, if the door is open, how are they supposed to understand that peeing on the grass is okay, but peeing one metre away on the kitchen floor isn't?

I would carry on taking her out every 15-20 minutes, as well as after sleep, play, food, drink, training and whenever she shows signs of needing to go (sniffing, circling, squatting). When she goes, give the command, but make sure you don't treat her or praise her until she's finished - if you treat/praise mid-wee they'll stop and get distracted

What happens at night? Are you using puppy pads or paper or anything like that? If so, stop as it just makes them even more confused as to what is and isn't acceptable.

Puppies are like kids some pick it up quickly and easily, some take ages. Just carry doing what you're doing, take her out on a lead give her a treat as soon she goes outside. She'll get it eventually, it is very frustrating though!

Thank you!

I don't tend to leave it open, just atm whilst it's warm. She never, ever had accidents when the door is open so she does know to toilet outside.

She's crated overnight and doesn't have accidents in the crate.

Has it occurred to you that this poor animal is interpreting your actions differently?

From a dog's perspective, it would seem like you're giving a command word mid wee or poo. Followed by a treat. Hence, the dog thinks it is being rewarded for STOPPING.

By the by, why on earth are you giving a 'command' for your animal to wee or poo? Could you do that, on demand? Bizarre.

'By the by, why on earth are you giving a 'command' for your animal to wee or poo? Could you do that, on demand? Bizarre.'

Tbf I'd imagine the pp has googled it and it is one of the things widely advised to have a 'go potty' type prompt.

I think the weather doesn't help op, they drink more need to wee more amd have mishaps, so just persevere.

Pretty much every single animal organisation recommends using command words to help with toilet training, so maybe you should do some basic research before sniping at someone who is only asking for help?

My dog is trained to toilet on command - we use "go toilet" - it's incredibly useful to get him to go before bed, or before we're going to leave him home alone. We open the back door, say "go toilet" - he goes out, does his business and comes back inside. If he doesn't need to go, that's fine too, but it means he knows what we're letting him out to do.

https://www.rspca.org.uk/adviceandwelfare/pets/dogs/training/toilettraining

https://www.thekennelclub.org.uk/dog-training/getting-started-in-dog-training/dog-training-and-games/how-do-i-toilet-train-my-dog/

https://woodgreen.org.uk/advice/puppy-toilet-training/

Firstly, I wasn't 'sniping'. If you interpreted my comments as such, I suggest you have sensitivity issues.

Having owned a farm for forty eight years, it's my experience that animals don't need to be 'told' when to toilet - they do it regardless.

It's simply a case of rewarding good behaviour and chastising bad. It's not rocket science.

It did sound snipey tbh <as does this post and I'm far from sensitive>. I would suggest farmyard animals of course don't need prompts to go to the toilet as they dont get house trained whereas domestic pets do, bevause they do get house trained.

Except we use dogs to control the farm animals. . .

Domesticated dogs. Which live indoors.

You definitely were sniping. I wasn't offended though - just thought your comments were completely unnecessary and wrong

I don't know why you're bringing up farm animals - dogs aren't farm animals - they're domesticated pets that live in our homes, and therefore need to learn where it is (and isn't) appropriate to toilet.

You should also never tell a dog off for toileting inappropriately - simply clean it up and make sure you're paying closer attention next time!

Command words are great , we used go quick with our dog and he’s 13 now and I can still get him to try and squeeze a quick wee out if I need him to . @alleg my dog didn’t start toilet training until about 16/17 weeks as he was a rescue puppy who had never been in a house . He was very slow on the uptake and I think what finally made him get it was when I caught him mid wee scooped him up and ran to the garden saying outside quite loudly . Prior to that I think he just didn’t get it .

Ooookay😂

The weather seems to be making some people cranky 🙄

And rude 😂

By the by, why on earth are you giving a 'command' for your animal to wee or poo? Could you do that, on demand? Bizarre.

It's not bizarre, it's commonly used these days. Guide dogs use it to train pups to toilet at home rather than on walks and if used properly is very useful.

You start by using the word when they're going spontaneously, they then associate that word with the action of toileting (Guide dogs use "busy busy") After a while they will go when you say that word.

OP, just keep going! She's very young still. Mine (different breed) have been 6-8 months before they've got it (and often older before they're 100% reliable). It feels like they're never going to work it out, and then suddenly you realise it's a week since the last accident.

The one think I would say (and it's easy to say) is that, if she's soiling in the house, you're not watching her enough. If your eyes aren't on her she needs to be contained to stop her wandering off and peeing.

Puppy's are like children some of them get it quick others take longer.
I don't like treating for toileting, I like to take puppy out use command say nothing else then when pup goes use word followed by good dog in a warm tone.

I have a cavapoo-she wasn't fully toilet trained until she was 5 months. It just took her that long until it clicked. She was able to go the whole night without a wee from when we got her.

My boy lab was toilet trained at 3 months, gorgeous girl lab at 7 months. It’s not a text book thing.

Google how to use a potty bell, it worked for us and other dogs in our extended family.

You need to literally watch her at all times. Out puppy would go out no problem when the door was open. She learnt really quickly that its ok to go outside, but i dont think she knew that inside is bad, so whenever the door was shut she would just find a place inside.
I waited until she needed to go and just observed her and as soon as she wanted to sit down i picked her up and carried her outside, then praised her a lot. Kinda letting her know “here is wrong, there is right”.
I “caught” her twice and we havent had any accidents since.

Just keep going with it, some dogs get it quicker than others, also they aren't fully aware of their bladder/bowel control until they hit 16 weeks I think, but in my experience I have had a giant breed that was so good and got it really quickly and was pretty much trained by 12 weeks, a cavachon that only pooped once or twice in the house and was clean and to be trusted by 16 weeks, a female cavachon that just didn't get it and continued to pee indoors until she was 7/8 months and couldn't be completely trusted until over a year, and my current pup is toy breed and at 20 weeks is very good but and does ask to go out but will still in a mad zoomy moment or if we miss him asking will have the odd wee indoors.

I used puppy pads with my current pup as he always chose to go in the same spot and it's easier to clean up/save the carpet, I know its not recommended but sometimes you just have to find what works for you and the puppy, good luck and she will get it eventually, I used the cue word and lots of fuss rather than a treat.

I always have a cue for my dogs to wee and poo. Just like I would say to my children we are going on a long car journey have a wee before you go.

Rewarding with a treat though can cause a few issues. Some dogs wee, get the treat and have not completely finished the wee so can do more when they come back inside. Do make sure that they have fully weed, usually if they take a step forward after weeing they are done for the time being - that is the time to reward.

(Also we have rare breed pigs and they also wee on cue and in a specific area.I go and tell them to stop doing it as they should not as a farm animal )