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Presa Canario dog

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Suzi888 · 30/06/2022 11:04

DH has been looking at rescues and come across a Presa Canario dog, not had the best start in life, was bred from and has a few health issues so he’s been in the centre a little while now. Greeder dumped him due to the health issues. The blurb is all good, gentle giant, loves everybody, can live with another dog etc. Looks a bit like a staffie or cane corso to me.

I’ve not heard much about this breed and I’m not sure I’ve ever seen one out and about. Does anyone have one? Any health issues? Joint issues? How much exercise?

We’re both used to dogs being strong on the lead etc and we both work from home, large garden and live near a wood.

We’ve not been to see him yet.

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Suzi888 · 01/07/2022 06:42

@coffeecupsandfairylights Why are you still commenting. BEFORE you responded I had already updated to see we weren’t viewing a rescue. All you’ve done is googled. I can do that. I specifically didn’t want to hear from people like you, who have no direct experience of the breed, filling up the thread with your opinion based on what you’ve found on Google images. You’d likely say the same about a Rottweiler or Malinois, wouldn’t you?

@WhackingPhoenix Tell me about it. 🙄Boerbel was actually my first choice as I know a little more about them and a dog walking friend owns one.

We already have a large breed @Sisisimone - always have and we always will. All the small dogs I know bite, which you may think is fine because they are small. I don’t. I will leave you and your astounding lack of knowledge and goady responses here.

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Suzi888 · 01/07/2022 07:15

@Lalosalamanca My husband had them, grew up with them. Owned both breeds before we met, they were elderly when I lived with them, which is completely different as I’m sure someone with your vast knowledge can appreciate. Plus one breed cannot be compared to another. We had no kids in the house etc. DH and I have both worked with wild dogs in Gambia, we aren’t entirely without experience of unpredictable dogs. I posted here (stupidly) for a little more background, hoping to hear from someone who owned one. Silly me- lesson learned.

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InTheNightWeWillWish · 01/07/2022 07:55

WhackingPhoenix · 30/06/2022 23:14

The wild hysterics on this thread Confused as she is a Malinois owner, I think OP would likely cope fine with any dog. I have a friend with a Presa, a Boerboel and a five year old daughter. Not all big dogs are murderous bastards.

Also@Lalosalamanca you sound very uncouth and I have second-hand embarrassment for you.

Not all big dogs are murderous beasts but it’s about doing a risk assessment. The fact that this is a large guarding breed, a rescue with an unknown history, from a puppy farm which usually comes with health problems later in life and ears that have been cropped so badly the dog may become deaf. All of those increase the risk in the risk assessment. There is a higher likelihood of this dog biting out of fear (if someone sneaks up on them because they’ve gone deaf), pain (due to health issues that will likely appear from the puppy farming) or instinct than a presa bred from a reputable breeder, got as a puppy and trained daily. Given the strength of this breed, this bite is more likely to be fatal, pushing the risk assessment even more into the red. It doesn’t have to have happen and actually if you’ve undertaken a proper risk assessment then it shouldn’t happen. Personally putting any dog with an unknown history, a strong likelihood that they’ll be in pain and possibly deaf with any child is a risk that shouldn’t even be entertained.

Suzi888 · 01/07/2022 08:01

@InTheNightWeWillWish I’ve had some really good insight from a Presa owner who I’ve pm’d and we had already decided we wouldn’t be going ahead with the rescue (the guy wouldn’t have let us anyway).

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QuandaleDingle · 01/07/2022 08:07

Would not touch it with a barge pole

There's a few round here and the owners are absolute chavvy dick heads who clearly have chosen these type of dogs to intimidate others and look "hard" . One was off the lead and went up to one of my neighbors being aggressive and the owners just stood there sniggering as they were loving that she was scared

I realise this will offend some people but I doubt those people have been to the type of place where we live 😆

coffeecupsandfairylights · 01/07/2022 08:12

@Suzi888 - I do have experience with the breed but you're not interested in anyone who has anything negative to say.

All you've done is jump down everyone's throats, tell us we've not read the thread and that we're all wrong anyway.

FYI as a dog walker, my experience was with a Presa mix that guarded the house to such an extent it wouldn't let me within eight feet of it. It growled, snarled and bared teeth and if I'd been stupid or naive to move any closer it would have attacked me.

But I'm sure that's not the kind of story you want to hear 🤷🏻‍♀️

coffeecupsandfairylights · 01/07/2022 08:13

And I wouldn't say the same about a Rottie, no. All the ones I've met have been even tempered, excellent family dogs.

Malinois again are good in the right hands but need a job of some kind and need experienced owners.

Neither of them are on the same scale as a Presa and only an idiot would judge them all as being similar based on their size alone.

Sisisimone · 01/07/2022 08:15

OP no one cares if you get a powerful, potentially aggressive dog. What they do care about, especially given you are on a site called Mumsnet, is how that could affect a 6 year old child. Something you appear to have given not one jot of thought to. Thankfully you wont get a rescue dog of this type with a 6 year old in the house as there are other agencies that will consider the safety of your child when you don't.

In fact, reading your posts back, you never even mention your child in relation to the dog. If this us not a wind up you are an incredibly stupid and selfish woman

XelaM · 01/07/2022 08:20

Not all small dogs bite! That's ridiculous. We have the softest most loving toy breed dog whose favourite thing is to be fussed by kids and cuddle up to anyone warm on the sofa. I would never get one of those muscular strong breeds myself, but I actually know a single mum with three rescue Cane Corsos (with docked tails and cropped ears) and they are an absolute dream - really soft giants. I still think she's totally mental, especially as she's tiny herself, but they all seem to live very happily together. We also meet a Cane Corso on our walks and he is also extremely well-behaved. But would I get one myself with a kid? No! The risk of anything going wrong is just not worth it.

InTheNightWeWillWish · 01/07/2022 08:33

@Suzi888 I’ve seen your updates. My response was to the post who was stating not all big dogs are murderous and that an individual risk assessment should be taken, not just a “my friend has one with a 5 year old and nobody is dead yet”. However, as you are still looking for a rescue I will stand by the fact that any dog likely to be in pain and/or deaf with an unknown history shouldn’t live with a child. Regardless of breed.

SirSniffsAlot · 01/07/2022 08:42

Primarily, all dogs are individuals and we all know a huge number that don't comform to breed expectations. [looks down on the ground at the world's laziest springer and fondly remembers the world's most chilled out and tolerant jack russell]. That said, someone, somewhere made breeding choices to encourage behaviours in ancestors and so they are more likely (not guaranteed) to occur in some breeds than others. e.g. you don't get as many terriers with only the first bit of the hunting sequence as you do collies (see, turn to face, stalk, chase...... catch, bite, kill, eat).

Even if all dogs did confirm to breed expectations, all breeds have 'good' and 'bad' and often the thing that determines if a behaviour is good or bad, is simply the setting in which it happens. And it often helps to think of the setting it was MEANT to happen in to understand it.

e.g. Presa Canario's are originally guarding and herding dogs and there a few breeds that attempt to mix these two purposes. However, their specific physicality suggests guarding was more important than herding. Otherwise, I expect they'd be smaller and lighter.

What does it take to be a good guarding animal?

  1. A short socialisation window. You need an animal that quickly learns who are the good guys and then stops trusting anyone outside that definition. Gurading breeds appear to have shorter socialisation windows than other breed types. That said, the window is never fully closed - though it gets harder and harder to sneak anything through
  2. The ability to do nothing all day long. A good day for anyone with something they want to guard, is a day where no one even tries to attack or take it. This will be most days - so you need a dog that will sit and wait rather than get bored and go off and do something else.
  3. The ability to move into action very quickly and with little warning. No good barking from a distance when wolves are after your sheep. They'll be off with a lamb before you know it. You need a dog that is going to get right up in that wolf's grill without hesitation.
  4. The ability to think independently to some degree. As above, a guarding dog that waits for instruction is probably not much good. So they need to be prepared to do what it takes in the heat of the moment, whether or not a human tells them to.
So, here, we have the bare bones of the breed and in a home setting it may look like:
  1. Loves the family and is very tolerant with them but very mistrustful of strangers
  2. Average exercise and entertainment requirements, so very undemanding.
  3. But not always easy to predict if a threshold is crossed.
  4. May not adhere to training when it counts, i.e. when over stimulated/excited/worried
Layer on subsequents breeders breeding for dog fighting and you might also get a mix of...
  • Acceptance of rough handling from humans with little attempt to use aggression to stop it
  • Fear demonstrated as aggression towards other dogs
But they are all just theories. Primarily, a dog is an individual and should be judged as such, even if breed history is used to try to understand behaviour you see. The physicality of a dog is useful data because a) you may not want a dog you cannot physically restrain if needed and b) that physicality gives futher clues as to what behaviours have been selected for in past generations.

I realise the OP has already made a decision on this specific dog and it's probably makes sense, due to the lack of history knowledge which would help figure out which of the above behaviours/tendencies this specific dog is likely to have.

Suzi888 · 01/07/2022 10:34

@XelaM I just can’t get move past it, I could never trust a small dog again and it wouldn’t be fair on the dog. I know they don’t all bite, but that’s the same for any breed.

Thank you @SirSniffsAlot very well written and helpful post.

When my husband had his Malinois you didn’t hear the horror stories you hear now and I’m sure people would have clutched their pearls in horror if I’d mentioned getting a rescue/puppy of this breed type too.

I’ve had some really helpful pm’s, so despite a good roasting and some goady posts, it was worth asking the question.

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Lalosalamanca · 01/07/2022 10:41

@coffeecupsandfairylights you are spot on there with your comments re rottweilers. They are imo the best family pet for large breed experienced families. They are so sweet and good natured, obedient, intelligent and eager to please their humans.

Malinois rarely make a good "pet". They are very much an active and intense working dog and most people don't have the experience or lifestyle to suit bringing this type home.

Op you say your husband grew up with them? OK so he has experience being around these dogs but zero experience as an adult owner who raised them and was responsible for them.

I could tell you so much about presas but if you want to know about them a Google search should suffice. If reading about their history and temperament hasn't put you off i would question your ability to make risk assessments, and genuinely feel worried for your child. The fact is I would never recommend a rescue of any breed to a house with a young child. A rescue presa is like taking home a loaded gun and crossing your fingers that everything will be fine.

Having a lab and jumping to a presa would be laughable if it weren't so dangerous. This is simply not enough experience to think you can handle such a breed. And this is not a dog that you can afford to practice with.

XelaM · 01/07/2022 11:46

If you want a giant breed as a family dog why not go for something like a Newfoundland or Leonberger or a St Bernard? Why go for guarding fighting dog breeds? I just don't understand the appeal when you could choose a known family dog breed?

XelaM · 01/07/2022 11:48

I also wouldn't rescue a Rottweiler with a 6-year-old (regardless of how nice SOME Rottweilers can be)! And any rescue that would rehome a Rottweiler to a house with small children is super dodgy!

Suzi888 · 01/07/2022 20:03

@XelaM The hair! lol Same reason we won’t have a Malinois. DH grew up with them and then had a puppy when he was much younger (he’s almost 50 now). I will say that dog had a hell of a lot of exercise, probably couldn’t commit to that level now. He was very affectionate too, never showed aggression.
I’m not ‘going for’ fighting breeds. This was just one dog that I saw, with medical needs I have a lot of experience of dealing with. I hadn’t even viewed him. I asked for advice and I’ve taken it.
We aren’t rehoming a Rottweiler and I just googled Leonberger- there are quite a few dog attacks, they’re bloody massive and covered in hair😂.

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