Neutering help scheme

[SparklyGlitter95]

Hello everyone, I thought I would start this thread so people are aware that the dogs trust currently helps with the cost of neutering your pet if you are receiving certain benefits, and your dog is on their list of eligible breeds. However, they are stopping this scheme altogether after January 1st 2021. So if you qualify, your dog is of neutering/spaying age and you are wanting to use the dogs trust for help with neutering costs, do so before the end of January or you will have to pay full price.

On another note does anyone know why they are scrapping this? Surely it means more people will not get their pets neutered as they can't afford it, and will have more dogs end up in shelters etc in the long run? Thanks

You called me a hypocrite for attacking you, and then attacked me?

@SparklyGlitter95 it also has nothing to do with empathy or anything. It’s a FACT that a high number of dog rehomings are done because a veterinary issue arises that the owner simply cannot afford.

Within the rescues I’m personally involved with, at least 1/3 of the dogs we take are because of vet bills. We take them so that they’re not PTS.

Someone somewhere has to pay for treatment. It’s either vets who volunteer and take the hit, or it’s other pet owners paying for others treatment for their pets. But as PPs have pointed out, there is only so far that these funds can go, and what they can treat.

@SparklyGlitter95

You called me a hypocrite for attacking you, and then attacked me?

Once again you're clearly struggling so I'll explain.

I said it was hypocritical to apologise for attacking me and then immediately attack me - that's hypocrisy. It was also noted by another poster.

I've also not attacked you. I've merely observed that there is limited opportunity for reasoned discussion or debate here at the moment. It's possible that may change, but as I've had to point out multiple inaccurate assumptions and obvious misunderstandings, that seems unlikely.

I'm part of a rabbit group on FB and several times per day there are posts saying "I need my rabbit neutered, but I have no money" or "my rabbit has dental issues so I need to rehome it" or "I picked up 2 rabbits and they're lovely but they're fighting.... Oh, neutering?...I can't afford that."

If that's any indication of how widespread the lack of thought about animal ownership is, then @Veterinari is absolutely right, sadly.

I’m with you op. Vet lost the moral high ground when she said It's clear there's no danger of reasoned discussion, intelligent debate or informed opinion here with the snarky and pointed sad little emoji at the end. Trying to dress it up like anything other than a veiled insult (that is SCREAMINGLY obvious) is really fucking stupid and insulting to you (OP).

Also it just seems like you have zero compassion or empathy for the people who really did benefit from this scheme isn’t an insult, it was a perfectly reasonable statement about how the OP has interpreted your responses. However your pointed sarcastic comments about the OPs intelligence really is an insult. You are not taking the moral high ground here.

Thankyou so much @Anyoldname12.

I did start this thread with good intentions, I was just trying to help people out who may need it. I did have a feeling this would happen as I see it often on other threads and its always the same people.

why is it that the veterinary profession is painted in a bad light because we don’t work for free however other businesses providing a service are not penalised in the same way.

Well, on this thread probably because its about veterinary treatment for those in need? If it was a thread about supermarkets and those in need I would fully expect suggestions of what they could do to help. Making suggestions of what can be done to help is not the same as painting in a bad light - the latter is just projection.

Whilst everyone knows it, I think it is also worth mentioning at this point that on the internet, anyone can claim to be anything, or can claim to do anything.
I could tell you I`m the Queen of Sheba and my charitable efforts have made great strides in helping the people of my kingdom.

Of course, that doesn`t actually mean I am the Queen of Sheba, or that I have every lifted a finger to help anyone else. Feel free to call me Your Majesty though

This thread hopefully will help someone, and it was lovely of @SparklyGlitter95 to start it

@PoleToPole

Whilst everyone knows it, I think it is also worth mentioning at this point that on the internet, anyone can claim to be anything, or can claim to do anything. I could tell you I`m the Queen of Sheba and my charitable efforts have made great strides in helping the people of my kingdom.

Of course, that doesn`t actually mean I am the Queen of Sheba, or that I have every lifted a finger to help anyone else. Feel free to call me Your Majesty though

This thread hopefully will help someone, and it was lovely of @SparklyGlitter95 to start it

Yes they can @PoleToPole And clearly you'd rather throw around insinuations that I'm an internet fraud to confirm your narrative that I'm judgemental and lacking in compassion than to acknowledge that you have been the judgemental one, and that actually I'm one of the few people on this thread actually working to help pet owners in need.

You and @SparklyGlitter95 are so focussed on trying to 'win the internet' and discredit anyone that has challenged your unpleasant accusations that you're utterly unable to acknowledge you might perhaps yourself have been a tad judgemental.

After all - why actually be decent when you can just start threads about it eh?

As you say @Veterinari

@Anyoldname12

I’m with you op. Vet lost the moral high ground when she said It's clear there's no danger of reasoned discussion, intelligent debate or informed opinion here with the snarky and pointed sad little emoji at the end. Trying to dress it up like anything other than a veiled insult (that is SCREAMINGLY obvious) is really fucking stupid and insulting to you (OP).

Also it just seems like you have zero compassion or empathy for the people who really did benefit from this scheme isn’t an insult, it was a perfectly reasonable statement about how the OP has interpreted your responses. However your pointed sarcastic comments about the OPs intelligence really is an insult. You are not taking the moral high ground here.

You misunderstand. I wasn't aiming for the moral high ground on this thread @Anyoldname12, just an accurate reflection of the thread. I've not yet seen any evidence to the contrary.

The whole point of this post aside, there’s been a lot of elitist bulls**t here.

So disabled people who rely on benefits and don’t have a lot of spare money shouldn’t ever get a pet? Elderly people surviving on a meagre pension, who are lonely and struggling massively with their mental health shouldn’t have a pet?

As for the person(s) who said the beautiful line ‘don’t have kids if you can’t afford them’ - So you’re disabled, relying on benefits and your partner is your carer. Money is tight obviously, so you don’t deserve to have kids? Your contraception fails and you fall pregnant when you’re in a tough (possibly temporarily so) financial situation, do we force a termination then because these people ‘can’t afford’ kids? Or you fall pregnant and are made redundant while pregnant, should you put the child up for adoption?

I hate these sorts of posts where people go on about what poor people should and shouldn’t be ‘allowed’ to do. Those on the poverty line are still people, they still have rights and they still get to make choices. The fact that people begrudge them having something that makes the misery of living like that even slightly better? It astounds me.

Quite aside from anything else, these types of comments are verging on discriminatory, even ableist.

I have luckily never been in the position where I feel others are judging me for having children or having a pet, simply because I was lucky enough to have opportunities in life, education, and freedom. I won’t pass judgement on, or put restrictions on those who aren’t so lucky. Regardless of all the ‘but some people lie and cheat wah wah wah’. Let’s not pretend that these people are the majority, even if your mate/neighbour/auntie’s sister’s cousin’s dad does it.

@CarolJones342

The whole point of this post aside, there’s been a lot of elitist bulls**t here.

So disabled people who rely on benefits and don’t have a lot of spare money shouldn’t ever get a pet? Elderly people surviving on a meagre pension, who are lonely and struggling massively with their mental health shouldn’t have a pet?

As for the person(s) who said the beautiful line ‘don’t have kids if you can’t afford them’ - So you’re disabled, relying on benefits and your partner is your carer. Money is tight obviously, so you don’t deserve to have kids? Your contraception fails and you fall pregnant when you’re in a tough (possibly temporarily so) financial situation, do we force a termination then because these people ‘can’t afford’ kids? Or you fall pregnant and are made redundant while pregnant, should you put the child up for adoption?

I hate these sorts of posts where people go on about what poor people should and shouldn’t be ‘allowed’ to do. Those on the poverty line are still people, they still have rights and they still get to make choices. The fact that people begrudge them having something that makes the misery of living like that even slightly better? It astounds me.

Quite aside from anything else, these types of comments are verging on discriminatory, even ableist.

I have luckily never been in the position where I feel others are judging me for having children or having a pet, simply because I was lucky enough to have opportunities in life, education, and freedom. I won’t pass judgement on, or put restrictions on those who aren’t so lucky. Regardless of all the ‘but some people lie and cheat wah wah wah’. Let’s not pretend that these people are the majority, even if your mate/neighbour/auntie’s sister’s cousin’s dad does it.

You're right, all of those things are deeply unpleasant. But no one on this thread has suggested any of those things except you

Completely agree @CarolJones342. But if it were up to some certain posters on here, those people would not be entitled to have a pet whatsoever. For some, their dog is the only companion they have. The only living thing they spend time with. The thing that keeps them sane. And it's great there are forms of help available for those people when they need it.

At the risk of upsetting some posters though, it's worth pointing out that a voucher scheme which focuses on neutering certain breeds within certain communities, doesn't actually achieve any of the aims of supporting homeless people, people on low incomes, people with disabilities etc to maintain their pets. The aim of the scheme being promoted in this thread is simply to reduce the numbers of certain breeds being bred within certain communities - mostly bull or hunting breeds in work class communities.

However it's great to see enthusiasm for those other issues, in which case I'm sure you'll all be donating to/supporting the following charities which do focus on that work

https://www.streetvet.co.uk
[[http://all4pawsedinburgh.org
all4pawsedinburgh.org]]
[[https://cinnamon.org.uk
cinnamon.org.uk]]

https://www.fosteringcompassion.org

https://www.dogstrust.org.uk/help-advice/hope-project-freedom-project/freedom-project

“So disabled people who rely on benefits and don’t have a lot of spare money shouldn’t ever get a pet? Elderly people surviving on a meagre pension, who are lonely and struggling massively with their mental health shouldn’t have a pet?”

No, they should budget for neutering when they get a dog or not have them neutered.

What do you think all the people on qualifying benefits that don’t own a mastiff or an Akita do?...

A pet is NOT a right! You should be able to take care emotionally AND financially.

A sudden and unexpected change in circumstances is very different than stupid people just getting a pet because they want one. Without the care for who will pay for it if it's sick etc, a lot of those sort of people don't even have insurance. They shouldn't have any animals. Why would you take on a pet when you know you can't afford it?! Selfishiness is why.

There are some thick people on this thread there really are.

sudden and unexpected change in circumstances is very different than stupid people just getting a pet because they want one

I agree. This whole thread I've been talking about people who end up in hard times through unforseen circumstances, and it was those people I wanted to make aware of this scheme before it ends. I do agree getting a pet when you are already not in a position to support it properly isn't a good idea, and not fair on the animal. But my point is, anyone could end up on benefits at some point and in need of the help PDSA and currently dogs trust provide. There are loads of different factors as to why that could happen. And it must be really hard for those people to be faced with needing vet care and not having any money. If it happened to me I would be devastated and I would really not want to rehome my dog unless it was a very last resort.

And no, mass neutering of dogs doesn't directly help people in urgent need of veterinary care with no funds available, but it does stop the possibility of your dog becoming pregnant, possible behaviour issues, phantom pregnancy, certain cancers etc, so It does help to some degree surely?

However it's great to see enthusiasm for those other issues, in which case I'm sure you'll all be donating to/supporting the following charities which do focus on that work

I do support certain charities that help with this, and also do voluntary work. I just don't keep going on about it.

I do support certain charities that help with this, and also do voluntary work. I just don't keep going on about it.

Apologies OP I hadn't realised that you had the monopoly on trying to promote good causes.

I'll leave you to continue lauding your own good intentions

I totally agree with veterinari , i have worked in a practice for many years , abuse of neutering schemes has always happened .
In the last month alone we have spayed 3 young breed of the moment bitches under such a scheme - owner brings voucher .
Of course we see genuine cases , but as veterinari states this is not an emergency , there is a good window of time for neutering a young healthy dog , surely plenty of time to budget ,
Rescues / vets practices etc offering help are frequently taken advantage of by people wanting something for nothing , sounds cynical but its true ,ask anybody who works in this field.