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Normal People on BBC3

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Bouledeneige · 27/04/2020 20:05

Binge watched it yesterday and loved it. Emotional, passionate and two really great leads. Thoroughly recommend it (so long as you don't mind lots of love scenes). Cried lie and felt bereft when it finished.

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WhatWouldYouDoWhatWouldJesusDo · 30/04/2020 20:25

I don't think she looked overly young at all. Her body shape was realistic, most very slim girls will have small boobs. Unlike the pornographic ideal of tiny waist and huge boobs

EachandEveryone · 30/04/2020 20:25

Ive only just realised shes the twin daughter from Cold Feet!

MerryDeath · 30/04/2020 20:48

i hated the book so not sure if i will attempt it !

cushioncovers · 30/04/2020 21:06

Finished watching it and I really enjoyed it. Great acting. You could really feel the emotion.

Girliefriendlikespuppies · 30/04/2020 21:33

I've just finished it (binge watched over 3 nights) I really enjoyed the whole series and think it kept well to the book.

It's tricky with the actors/actresses as the story is obviously set over a few years so they've got to look 17 at the start and 22-23 by the end. I think they did a good job especially Connel, watching him slip into depression was very believable.

Lots of couples struggle with communication and understanding each other and these characters demonstrated that perfectly.

I cried at the end!

user1481840227 · 30/04/2020 21:49

@mistermagpie
I think he was very emotionally immature, rather than consciously abusive, however I think the effect of his behaviour on her in the school episodes would have been the same as abuse!!

I think he had a lot of issues of his own but was obviously a very weak individual who was selfish about fulfilling his own needs and didn't really think about or care about the impact on her.

Thirtyrock39 · 30/04/2020 22:11

I'm really really enjoying the programme (half way through trying to pace myself ) and was slightly dreading it as I loved the book so much and thought it might not live up to it but it's exactly how I pictured it. The only annoying thing is that I'm sure in the book it's marianne who says 'so you'll want to see other people?' Not Connell as she misunderstands him saying he can't stay in his house in Dublin and feels rejected that he's leaving for the summer- in the book he feels quite panicked by how the conversation turns at that point .
The book does have lots of sex scenes in it- my boss heard me talking about how much I'd enjoyed the book at work and then bought it to read and I was a bit embarrassed about what she'd think reading all those bits but I think they're really sensitive and realistic. Also quite funny at times.
Can completely remember being this age and all the miscommunication and misread signals and signs and complete heartbreak of thinking you have such a strong connection with someone then it goes wrong and you can't understand why

user1481840227 · 30/04/2020 22:17

@Thirtyrock39
No in the book he was the one who said I suppose you'll want to see other people!

Egghead68 · 01/05/2020 00:33

Just finished it. Really enjoyed it.

Plurabellicose · 01/05/2020 10:23

Also sex is a massive part of love and relationships, especially your first love. I think the focus is just right.

Of course it's true of lots of our teenage/student relationships, but what is true in real life often simply doesn't work in fiction/TV. There's a lot of sex in the novel, but it's seldom detailed or written in long descriptive paragraphs, because SR doesn't do much description.

The first time they have sex isn't actually described at all. Marianne arrives at Connell's house, he opens the door and 'looks over her shoulder to make sure no one has seen her arrive'. Then the chapter ends, and the next one begins, one month later, with 'They're talking about their college applications.'

Obviously, you can't do that in film or TV, or not easily, but for me, it does change the emphasis and makes the TV version (still only seen the first two episodes, though) a bit duller than the novel because it slows it down.

And there's virtually no description of either of their bodies in the novel, other than that we know Marianne is thin and Connell is fairly muscular. We only know Marianne is small-breasted because the bullies say it. Again, though, you have to show something on TV, and you have to actually cast actors, so it changes the emphasis. SR chooses not to describe things, but TV has to.

user1481840227 · 01/05/2020 15:24

@Plurabellicose, just wanted to pick up on a point you made about Mariannes boyfriends being sexually abusive.

The more I think about this series and how it's being hailed as a great love story is bothering me a lot now.

There seems to be the idea that she was 'damaged' before Connell, and of course we see factors and hear her discuss parts of her life that may have led to that.

But her first sexual experiences were with Connell, and while he asked for consent and it was 'nice' sex it almost certainly would have made her feel worthless afterwards...so for me it's got me thinking that it could easily have been her experiences with him that impacted her choice in men and sexual preferences to recreate that horrible feeling, and it may have been less so because of the other issues in her life!!

Wbeezer · 01/05/2020 15:48

Why do you say it would have made her feel worthless?

Janaih · 01/05/2020 15:59

I've not read the book, but going from the reviews I've read, isnt Marian described as ugly or at least plain by Connell? She is neither of those things in the tv production.

user1481840227 · 01/05/2020 16:11

@Wbeezer, because he was sleeping with her but needed to keep it a secret because he would be so mortified and ashamed if his friends found out.

He was very kind and nice to her when he was with her, that would almost make it feel worse in a way and cement the idea of worthlessness in her head......even though he liked her and loved spending time with her and they both enjoyed the sex and had a great connection he still just couldn't stand the thought of anyone finding out (because she was such an outcast in the school).

So it would make her feel worthless because it would be like well even if someone did like you, even if someone did sleep with you and even if you had a great bond with the person, then it still has to be kept a secret from everyone else because it would be so awful for the other person if people found out the truth, that they were sleeping with and spending time with you the worthless outcast!!!

HolyWells · 01/05/2020 16:26

isnt Marian described as ugly or at least plain by Connell?

No. First we get the school's verdict on her (Connell's popular friend group), which is that she's flat-chested, ugly, and weird, wears ugly shoes and no make-up, but even then, she dresses up one evening to sell tickets for the debs' in a nightclub, and everyone is struck by how well she looks. And when Connell re-encounters her at Trinity, he's struck by how striking and attractive she is now she's flowered out into being liked and appreciated his narrative POV keeps noticing her appealingly slender wrists (to the point of being a bit tiresome), her elegance, her clothes etc and she's sought out by the alpha campus males. When he first sees her at the Italian holiday house in a white dress, he thinks she looks like an angel.

She occasionally notes herself that she can look 'feral' and ugly in photographs.

Janaih · 01/05/2020 16:32

Ah right thanks. Maybe I shall read the book.

user1481840227 · 01/05/2020 16:41

In the book it's very obvious that Connells thoughts on her appearance early on are based on what other people think and say about her.

There's a part in the book where he said his friends always point out the flat chested girls in ugly shoes (can't remember the rest of the description) and says that he will fancy them and he always does. Now maybe that's because he is trying to find someone like her, or maybe that was always his type!

I'm sure there's another part in the book where someone calls her stunning, and it says something about how she had sometimes suspected that she might be.

mistermagpie · 01/05/2020 17:03

I haven't read the book but one of the things that troubles me with the tv adaptation is that Marianne is quite clearly beautiful. Not just 'Connal personally finds her attractive' but objectively beautiful. No way would he be embarrassed to be seen with her surely? She's way prettier than the red-haired school friend of his, for example, but nobody seems bothered about being seen with her.

She's also not especially weird either. She spills yoghurt on herself in one scene and gets wet in the rain in another, hardly school-bully worthy crimes.

user1481840227 · 01/05/2020 17:21

It wasn't about her looks though, he was embarrassed to be seen with her because she was a social outcast and he clearly had no backbone!!

Girliefriendlikespuppies · 01/05/2020 18:40

I think it was more her personality at school that set her apart, she was quite rude to teachers and arrogant about how clever she was. She admitted to looking down on Connells friends.

Wbeezer · 01/05/2020 20:10

www.google.com/amp/s/www.papermag.com/amp/normal-people-paul-mescal-hulu-2645856870
This interview with the actor who plays Connel is a good discussion of his character and actions.

EachandEveryone · 01/05/2020 20:42

I have got that Leonard Cohen song So long, Marianne in my head every time I watch it. Im starting to wonder if thats why shes name Marianne the lyrics fit! And I can see them listening to Leonard in their student digs.

PianoTuner567 · 01/05/2020 21:28

Confess I’d never heard of this book and just happened upon the TV series on iplayer. Thought it was wonderful, well shot and acted, really felt the emotions of these characters. Great stuff.

pawsforawhile · 02/05/2020 04:39

Not sure I liked the end - if they loved each other - which was clearly established from everything they went through only to end up
Back together- why would
Marriane not go with him to New York?

Ulysses · 02/05/2020 06:51

She hadn't graduated yet had she, and she said to Joanne (lovely Joanne) that she was content for possibly the first time in her life. Obviously, Connell was a big part of that, but so was also breaking the abusive ties with her family. She knew he deserved this opportunity so wouldn't hold him back.