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Normal People on BBC3

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Bouledeneige · 27/04/2020 20:05

Binge watched it yesterday and loved it. Emotional, passionate and two really great leads. Thoroughly recommend it (so long as you don't mind lots of love scenes). Cried lie and felt bereft when it finished.

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magicroundabouts · 12/05/2020 18:15

Peggy isn’t nice in the book either. She makes fun and teases Marianne in front of their other friends and convinces Marianne to stay with Jamie when she thinks about leaving him. She is described as taking joy in putting others down.

olivesandolives · 12/05/2020 20:30

Peggy also offered them a threesome Hmm

MoonBabysMagicalKalimba · 12/05/2020 22:10

The dinner scene in Italy where Jamie is being an utter cunt and Peggy takes his side and tells Marianne it’s her fault he’s behaving like that is really reminiscent of Marianne’s relationship with her mum and brother, I think. It’s probably why she puts up with Jamie and Peggy for so long, it feels familiar to her as it’s a dynamic she’s grown up with.

Puffinhead · 12/05/2020 22:49

Thanks for all the Peggy insights. When I watched it I got a sense that she was envious of Marianne and a bit try hard, trying to shock, especially with the three some.

MissEliza · 13/05/2020 01:45

I couldn't understand why Peggy said what she said in the kitchen. Any other girl would have supported her friend. I can only assume she's jealous of Marianne.

RaraRachael · 13/05/2020 07:59

Is "riding" an expression still used in Ireland nowadays? I haven't heard that used since I was a child in the 1970s?

Eschallonia · 13/05/2020 08:13

I haven’t got to that point in the tv version yet, but it sounds as if the screenplay makes Peggy more obviously awful than the novel, where she’s no more than sometimes mildly unpleasant and undermining to Marianne until after she breaks up with Jamie, when we hear at a distance that she’s siding with him, along with some other mutual friends.

Though one of the deeply unrealistic things about the novel/series is how someone like Marianne, who has been a small-town, literally friendless loner her whole life — with the exception of a few months sleeping with a classmate who won’t acknowledge her in public — manages to suddenly and successfully negotiate a large number of functional friendships and actual popularity within a month or two of starting at a big university In an unfamiliar city.

Mammyloveswine · 13/05/2020 11:00

Stayed up until3 binge watching this!

Loved it! Thought the ending was shit tho.. I get it but I'm a sucker for a happy ending!

Also.. to have such passionate sex again! I'm still friends with my "soulmate" and we have spoken about the deep connection we did have. Both married now (and 15 years older!) and we see both glad we live in different cities as it would be torture to bump into him and not be able to just grab him!

Mind if we had stayed together he might have got middle aged and boring except he looks even better with age. I dug out some old photos and he's like a fine wine.

The80sweregreat · 13/05/2020 11:33

I'm sure Connell will be a bald middle aged grumpy man in his forties or fifties desperate to get out the home and play golf ! They never stay slim and lovely forever ( bitter experience ) 😀😀bless.

YgritteSnow · 13/05/2020 11:48

Finished the tv series and now reading the book. The book explains a lot of why there are so many misunderstandings, won't explain as don't want to spoil it. But definitely worth a read to understand their motivations. A few things are changed that would have made the series make more sense and I don't really know why they changed them. Secondary characters a lot more fleshed out in the book. Definitely worth a read.

YgritteSnow · 13/05/2020 11:50

Oh and I really liked the ending, I think it will all work out just as it is supposed to for them.

@RaraRachael I listen to a few pod casts by Irish broadcasters and they are definitely still using the term.

MissEliza · 13/05/2020 13:02

I've got one episode to go. I'm definitely getting the book when I've finished.

Deux · 13/05/2020 13:27

I’ve finished this now and it has stayed with me in my head. I just can’t get it out. My own teenage and young adult years, my first boyfriend, losing my virginity, my small Scottish town, leaving to go to university. All of it, I find myself remembering, dissecting, interspersed by Connell and Marianne's story.

I enjoyed this beyond measure. I thought the ending was perfect and the last six minutes of episode 12 the most provoking and emotional TV I’ve ever seen. I’ve cried buckets.

I realise I sound a bit melodramatic and someone will be reading this and thinking I should get a grip, but it’s almost as if I could do with some kind of post-Normal People support and therapy group. Confused

Wbeezer · 13/05/2020 13:40

So could I @Deux and you're not the only Scottish person who has found the settings closer to our experience than standard English coming of age dramas.
I'm now on my third watching, making DH watch it this time but he finds the intimacy uncomfortably intense!

Wbeezer · 13/05/2020 13:41

Ive also read the book twice.
I've started knitting a jumper to calm myself down!

Deux · 13/05/2020 13:47

I’m knitting socks Grin

Wbeezer · 13/05/2020 13:53

Oh thats funny, maybe we should form a support group.
Further back in the thread I recommended the Before trilogy of films, i rewatched the first two and saving the last one where the starcrossed lovers are 40ish with kids for the weekend.

Deux · 13/05/2020 14:06

Honestly, this could have been set in my hometown. Our high school was a real mix, everyone went there regardless of background and we formed the unlikeliest of friendships. There’s an equivalent to Brennan’s where we always ended up reuniting with friends at New Year, wide sweeping beaches, the feeling of no longer belonging at home and then just not belonging anywhere.

Someone upthread said they thought Marianne’s character was unrealistic for a small town but I can think of several Mariannes from my home town who shed their skin and blossomed once they left and were free of the small town constraints.

My experience is that my small town, especially like mine, was pretty good at social control and keeping everyone in their place. Going away to university meant suddenly losing your place, an in between place instead.

About Marianne, people would have said ‘oh you know her, she lives in the Big House, her mother’s a strange one, a real cold fish, never smiles, lovely clothes though and well, you know what they say about the brother’. And Marianne would have been judged on that.

A lot of subtle behaviour moderation to avoid that being reflected on your family.

Deux · 13/05/2020 14:13

@Wbeezer, I noticed that recommendation and I’ve never watched them but I’ve book marked them. I’m not sure I’m up to it right now as I’m so overwrought.

It’s comforting to k ow that you and others have a similar shared experience. Maybe we’re all from the same place, wouldn’t that be weird. Smile.

Wbeezer · 13/05/2020 14:19

I agree, the smallest thing would get you judged and talked about, however, i have to say that by the time we were in sixth year we were mixing better and being more tolerant, mind you those who really didn't fit often went off to uni a year early after 5th year.
My DS2 is a small town clever boy at St Andrews and the Trinity scenes reminded me of there but luckily he is well adjusted enough to cope with the antics of the rich kids!

QuentinQuarantino · 13/05/2020 14:31

Another one here who found it dreary and overly angst-ridden.

I'm Irish, lived in a "big" house with socially dysfunctional parents, was the precocious loner in my year and I STILL didn't find Marianne's character believable. The way she spoke back to teachers etc was just wholly unrealistic.

I also wondered why these educated, attractive young kids who should've been out experiencing life and having a good time were so bloody miserable and navel-gazey. As others have pointed out, their relationship didn't seem to entail any laughter, joy or fun (apart from sex which I didn't find all that interesting/necessary either).

I didn't believe her S+M tendencies at all. It felt so contrived and forced.

Also, why did Marianne start dressing like a menopausal, hippyish art teacher when she went to Trinity? Everything was so.........wafty and mature. The black dress she wore in Italy is the exception. Loved it.

Tldr: Overrated.

Wbeezer · 13/05/2020 14:31

I'm not near a beach but I think there is a universality to small town life, our schools are more homogeneous, no grammars, fewer private etc.

Singingrain1223 · 13/05/2020 14:49

@Wbeezer @Deux , I am also totally obsessed and find the Connellschain Instagram feed comforting! Paul M is on Radio 1 from 6pm today, (I never listen to radio 1)!
I also love the soundtrack and know where most of the songs are played in the series and again I found the book gave back detail to some of the TV story lines.

Deux · 13/05/2020 14:57

@Singingrain1223, how could I forget about the music? Amazing. Connell's chain would have been a working class signifier in my hometown. I had a look at the Instagram account 😍 I was delighted that it stayed with him throughout the story.

I’ll listen to Radio one but with AirPods in as right now Normal People is my exquisite guilty secret.

AudacityOfHope · 13/05/2020 15:10

The overwrought drama that was made out of the smallest thing is driving me nuts. It reminds me of that episode of Friends when the fake Monica is talking about Dead Poet's Society.

"It's like, kid, wait a year, leave home, do some community theatre."

They're the oldest most boring Freshers ever. I've stopped watching it, the moaning faces are just too much to take.