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DD wants to keep rats - what do I need to know?

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HumphreyCobblers · 30/08/2017 22:35

And what do I need to get?

I want to do this properly but I have never owned rats, only hamsters. I would like to get a really good cage. I understand I would need to get two at the least, but I have no knowledge other than that.

Thanks

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HumphreyCobblers · 31/08/2017 17:10

That is great advice. I have a friend with rats, we can go over and see. More of an issue is if my DS is allergic to them, he will definitely want to hold them!

The cage I linked to is no good, apparently the bars are wide enough let a small rat escape!

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RatRolyPoly · 31/08/2017 17:25

Rats are fabulous pets! They can be quite houseproud and like to tidy up their cage - especially if you're a bit slow to clean it out. Yep, that means they go around collecting up their poo and throwing it out of the bars! Sometimes they'll get in the habit of weeing up against the bars as well to minimise the amount of wee they have to share a cage with; they're canny creatures. Take my advice and put a tarp or something under the cage for easy cleaning Wink

Also train them from a young age. They will easily learn to come when you call their names, particularly if you incentivise it with treats. This is a really handy thing for when you inevitably let them loose to snoop around the room and then wonder where the bloody hell they've got to because you need to go out in two minutes time.

Also if you do let them roam around the room semi-supervised for any period of time be aware they seem to be unable to resist the sweet, sweet taste of electrical cables - specifically phone chargers. Switch electrics off at the plug to be safe and regularly inspect the state of any cables if you're in the habit of letting the rats out. Also if you allow them to get too comfy in your soft furnishings you may find little half-moon shaped rat nibbles... I don't say this to put you off, I remember it all so fondly! Just if you're a tad more keen on your possessions than I was as a student, best to supervise your ratties just a little more than I was used to doing!

chickensaresafehere · 31/08/2017 17:32

Rats are the best!!!
Lost my two boys this year & I miss them lots.They have such characters & you'll soon fall in love with them.
Big cage with lots of hammocks/hanging beds,tubes etc.
give them a varied diet,not just rat nuggets.Mine loved a variety of fruit for breakfast & veggies for tea.
Get them out as often as you can.My boys loved to lounge(& run around) on the sofa with us in the evening (& steal biscuits from me!!) They did nibble on the sofa though.

ThatsWotSheSaid · 31/08/2017 22:09

Non of my rats never chewed the plastic trays in their chages. They did chew electric cables and chewed all the buttons off my remote control. Wouldn't put me off though, their amusing antics were all part of their charm.

MotherFromCatan · 31/08/2017 22:35

Rats are amazing, all you need to know Grin

Cagewise you want the biggest you can afford. Aviaries make great cages for young rats, but they need loads of hammocks to break falls and you'd need to budget for a cage with more floorspace once your rats get older. The ones people seem to buy often (though they're pricey) are the furet tower and the Savic Royal Suite. We have the SRS, bought it just under a year ago and I adore it, we're now using half of it as our mischief has sadly dwindled and we're down to 3 in it at the moment, but it's still wonderful. We upgraded to it whilst I was heavily pregnant and it was a lifesaver. We seriously considered the Tower but a common 'issue' on the reviews was that the doors were a bit too small to comfortably hang hammocks, my breeder didn't rate them highly either which sealed the deal for me. We've had aviaries and other cages in the past though.

They need a lot of time out of the cage, they're really intelligent, ideally an hour a day. They can be trained quite easily but it takes repetitiveness and commitment, we had two very clever girls who we trained occasionally and, until they both died in the past 6 weeks, they could do a few tricks without being 'retaught', but the rest of our mischief are a bit stupid and need more regular training to keep up and we often get lax, particularly since DD was born as free range time is often interrupted by the baby!

We let ours free range in the evenings for about 45mins to an hour or so once DD is in bed. They occasionally come out during the day too and we give them cuddles during the day to get them used to DD and her used to them.

I'd recommend 3 to start with rather than a pair, we had a freak accdient with our first pair where one poked the other one's eye out when they were three months old, we thought we'd need to rush out an find another rat to keep the boy company but thankfully our one eyed wonder survived the op to remove the eye and lived until he was 3. We did get more soon after that though.

Look up how to give them a good diet, there's a big divide on what's best, on American based forums you'll often see about lab blocks, they generally feel that muesli style mixes are inferior whereas British forums tend to lean towards the opposite view, which makes things really helpful Wink We make our own mix by buying the ingredients in bulk from ratrations and basing it on the revised Shunamite diet which is found in The Scuttling Gourmet book, not the one that you often find around the internet annoyingly. This page has a good guide to a good mix if you fancy going that way though:
www.isamurats.co.uk/options-for-dry-mixes.html

That website has alot of great info on it as well.

Females are prone to mammary tumours. They're often benign and the risk can be lessened by having the rats spayed at a young age but it's a very personal decision, we had our first two young females spayed but not the next two and likely won't get our next three in October/November done.

Rats generally are prone to respiratory infections, it's worth listening to some sound bites of what rats sound like with mild infections and more serious problems and also other symptoms (like porphyrin, which looks like blood coming from their eyes and nose but is entirely normal and not blood!) Rats should be silent but mild URIs often spring up from environment changes and stress and usually resolve themselves within a few days, but if they don't seem to be getting better or they start getting worse you want to see a vet ASAP. You get more confident in judging it as you get used to rats, we have one who gets snuffly at the slightest atmospheric change, and then does squeaky snores as a result for a few days, she's fine though and has never needed medication.
You'll want to ring around vets and find out what they're experience of rodents is as usual vets are very hit and miss with rodents, we've had some give dangerous advice in the past and others who have been wonderful. We were spoilt with a rodentologist for the first 18 months of rat ownership and she was wonderful, I was gutted when she left our practice!

Charity shops are great for buying bits and pieces for rats. We've picked up wooden wine racks for 50p which are great cage climbing toys. Old clothes and pillowcases get cut up for tubes and hammocks, kids clothes can go in whole if they're small enough.

Parrot toys make great rat toys and you can find tutorials for making toys from stuff at home easily enough too.

HumphreyCobblers · 01/09/2017 09:28

Thanks for such informative posts. Will look up the cages now.

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Curlybrunette · 11/09/2017 12:51

We've got 2 girls, they are truly beautiful. We got them off gumtree in January and their previous owner had cared for them really well. It was a teenager who kept them in her room and I think her mum just really really disliked rats. The teenager cried when we left the house with them, we felt like we were stealing her pets Sad

Anyway they are so affectionate, cuddle with us, and as they are old ladies now they don't do much exploring, they used to run along the back of the sofa (never tried to get off it, good girls) but now they move from down our tops, to the back of our necks.

As I said we've got 2, and as they are old now I worry what will happen when 1 of them passes, I don't want the other to be lonely, but I'd be frightened a young lively baby rat might be too much for them.

My husband is a bit allergic we think, he wasn't but it is developing. The rats aren't going anywhere though so he's just having to put up with it.

We've also got guinea pigs and I think ds is allergic to them, his eyes puff up a bit. They're his babies though so he's putting up with it too Grin

MotherFromCatan · 11/09/2017 21:01

curly if you want to continue keeping rats after your current two pass on getting a pair or trio of babies would keep the older one company. Older rats fair well with small ones and are usually happy to put them in their place. Another option is to find out if you have any breeders near you who may have older rats who need a home, or ones you can "borrow" until your lone rat passes away, we've done that before (though we ended up keeping the borrowed rat, it was our breeder's friend who lent him to us and she was happy to let us keep him) but most of the time we have a mixed group now. We're now down to three of mixed ages (2 but lumpy so not sure how long she'll go on for, 1.5 and 1) but we're down to get another three in October/November to continue our mischief and keep the older ones in their toes!

Curlybrunette · 13/09/2017 09:32

Thanks Mother, there aren't any breeders near me that I'm aware of (East Yorkshire), I think it'll be a deal with it when I have to situation. I am absolutely dreading anything happening to one of them, I love them sooooo much it's actually surprised me. I never expected them to be so affectionate and lovely,

That's good that an older one would cope with a little one well. I was imagining it like suddenly making an old person live with a toddler again full time!!!

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