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PixieofCatan · 15/08/2014 22:29

Just wanted to post about rats :) I know that there are other rat owners about, come share some pictures of your mischief, please? :)

I love rats. I have five, Howl & Haku, my boys (Howl being the rat under the fridge back in January!) and three girls, Nibbles, Aeryn and Zhaan. Aeryn and Zhaan are our babies who we got four weeks ago as Nibbles companion, Ruby, had a cystic tumour, we thought we'd have a few months with her after diagnosis back in June but she had to be PTS last week :(

Ruby chillin' in her hammock last Wednesday (she took a turn for the worst the next morning).
Nibbles and the two babies in a hammock.
Howl and Haku in their knitted hammock that has lasted many uses and washes last week. They then destroyed it the next day Hmm

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CockBollocks · 15/09/2014 19:13

Rats are amazing pets, lost my last one earlier in the year Sad. Will try and dig out pictures.

Also, just need to say, you know rats should never, ever have sawdust. I know you have changed but just in case anyone else is reading.

Sorry, had to add that.

PixieofCatan · 15/09/2014 20:37

Cock I agree, but I have a niggle. I think for 99% of rats there are much much better options than hardwood shavings, which can cause respiratory issues and should not be used for small animals under normal circumstances, as I'm sure you know, but putting it out there in case others read the thread:

Softwood shavings can cause issues in small animals due to the phenols in the oils. Rats especially because they are prone to respiratory issues. Cedar and pine are the main ones you need to watch out for, though other softwoods are an issue too. Hardwoods are safe, but it is extremely difficult to get hardwood shavings in the UK.

There is some debate about the pine used in UK shavings contain less phenols than those in the US (where most of this research has taken place) so is therefore not as much of a risk, along with the fact that most of the major brands heat treat the shavings in the UK, which burns off a significant amount of the phenols (but not all by any means!). But it's not a risk that you want to take if you can avoid it by using another bedding which is just as economical, such as aubiose, megazorb, premierbed, finacard, etc. There is actually a new corn-based product available which looks great, but only one shop I know sells it and they never have it in stock.

Some people use wood shavings anyway. A lot use them because it's not common knowledge and it's not something that you really think to research when you're buying your first pair of rats, and some use them because they don't think it's too much of a risk. Personally I'd say it's not worth the risk, but then I'm one of those who takes the rat to the vet at the slightest sniffle to have their lungs checked!

However, our boys are in [heat treated & dust extracted] shavings. It's the lesser of two evils as, between the two of them, they've reacted badly to every other major bedding available, even carefresh after a couple of months in it with no issues. We switched to newspaper which was okay but wasn't absorbent enough, so we were having to clean their cage out/mop up puddles multiple times a day. One of my boys will have lifelong respiratory issues thanks to the use of megazorb and premier bed in his early days with us. Shavings are a very temporary solution and not a decision we took lightly, one we consulted our very good vet and our brilliant local breeder on too as we couldn't leave them in a bare cage. Ironically, wood shavings are the only thing that don't have either one of the boys constantly sneezing at the moment. But DO NOT use them unless you're really backed into a corner and do not use them unless you talk to your vet first.

Our girls were perfectly fine in other substrates until they started shoving it down the back of their new cage buggers and having allergy-prone rats is not very common at all, so please don't let that put anybody off.

Our boys will be out of shavings by the end of the month thankfully, as we'll be buying their new cage (American-style, so fleece is attachable unlike tray styles) when pay day rolls around!

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70isaLimitNotaTarget · 15/09/2014 21:08

I don't have rat experience but I've never used shavings (very harsh on rodenty feet) or sawdust for my guineas.
I did start with a bag of Megazorb but moved onto nwspaper and wooden rodent friendly cat pellets.
At the moment I'm using Ecobale horse bedding which is basically chopped cardboard.
I researched online and saw that a few Rat Forums use and recommend. And if it's good enough for rats, I'll try it on the Pigs.

For indoor nights this winter, I'm going to try large rolls of paper as a base, and puppy pads artfully folded into fleeces. Then with the hay staying in the rack , hopefully, it'll be shake the fleece and dispose of the paper and pads.

PixieofCatan · 15/09/2014 21:22

How did you find megazorb 70? I liked it but Haku got really sneezy within a day of being in it. We stuck with it for a couple of weeks as vet said that sometimes it's just an initial reaction to the changed bedding but he just got worse and worse.
We binned the lot and bought premier bed, which was really dusty from halfway down the bag Confused Howl never got on well with premier bed either. We tried finacard or one of the other cardboard ones but they hated that, shoved it to one corner every time we put it back down.

They loved carefresh, we tried a few others between carefresh as it was so bloody expensive, but again, bad reactions or they just did not like the stuff. Stuck with carefresh and then Haku just got really sneezy again and was fine when we switched to newspaper, but obviously that wasn't ideal, damp cage floor and crap at absorption.

Cannot wait to get them on fleece like the girls are!

Do the puppy pads work? I've considered throwing it under the girls fleece but they love playing underneath it so I'm certain it'll be in their sputnik within an hour of them discovering it Hmm

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70isaLimitNotaTarget · 15/09/2014 21:34

I used the Megazorb in the corners of the haybox when I had my original boars - but they pee where they like, they're not in the least bit tidy. I'd had have to cover their entire floor with it.
With the Ecobale, I have covered their entire floor Grin . The 3 I have now tend to pee in their haybox so I roll up the paper + dirty hay every day and clean the rest weekly (at the moment all the mess is in one place. When they use all their houses, the whole thing needs cleaned every 2 days)

The pigs don't interfere with the puppy pads, I put them out of toothy reach. Rats though , I'd imagine would shred them Smile

The only things that have caused reaction was Readi-Grass (made GP2 sneeze but he loved it) and fresh grass (made GP1 have a drippy little nose, but he loved it)

The currant 3 have Readi-Grass, no problems.

CockBollocks · 15/09/2014 21:51

I always used finacard, bought massive bags of it that lasted ages! I think hemp is also popular, I just avoided any kind of sawdust/woodshavings just in case.

Papelit paper pellets are also good for their litter trays.

Can I recommend www.ratrations.com they were recommended by the breeder I got my rats from. They supply everything, including really fab specialist foods.

PixieofCatan · 15/09/2014 23:19

Before getting to the point of desperation with the boys, I also avoided shavings under all circumstances, it caused a few arguments with DP because it's obviously quite cheap and easy to get hold of without ordering online and the risks are quite low, so he argued that it would be worth it as there are risks associated with other things too and we were using over half a bag of carefresh a week and that was using it sparsely. It was only when the vet suggested it as a short term alternative, because the damage from it mainly occurs with consistent use over a longer period, that I considered it.

I love ratrations, they're very good about complaints/suggestions. Though I've tried most of the substrates they offer and have given up now, I can't put my boys through more health-related stress in the hopes that one substrate will work. 2 more weeks in shavings and they're substrate free. Well, apart from when I throw them into a box full of litter Grin

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avianaz · 15/09/2014 23:23

Cockbollocks is that UK or US based?

I recently moved most of mines into a huge double cage last week, and the walls/bars go right down to the bottom - consequently every last bit of substrate got kicked out! So I put in sheets of cardboard (the floor was bars).

Thinking of using fleece, or a towel, and clipping the edges to the bars.
And will need to get bigger storage-dig boxes, as of now they've nowhere to dig... but at least they have the cardboard to tear up lol.

PixieofCatan · 16/09/2014 08:29

Avi it's both UK and us. Fleece is better than towel as they can get toes and nails caught in the loops of towels, but do not use shavings if you have other options available, pine can really fuck up their respiratory systems long term. Especially with us based one but also with UK pine.

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CockBollocks · 16/09/2014 16:45

I believe they are based in Cambridge area (UK).

PixieofCatan · 16/09/2014 18:41

Oh, sorry Avi, misunderstood! They deliver very quickly :)

Avi have you got a spare cage? We use the base from an old cage as a digging box, it's not very deep but it's quite big so no arguments from ratties Grin

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