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Would any rat owners mind answering a couple of questions for me?

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RoseMortmain · 09/05/2014 23:18

Dd wants rats. She recently lost her hamster and is missing looking after an animal. I'm coming round to the idea but need to check a couple of things.

The hamster cage was a Savic Hamster Heaven which is 80cm x 50cm x 50cm, would that be big enough for a pair of rats? It has various platforms and tunnels - could we leave them on for the rats?

I was anticipating getting a pair of boys, I've read they're slower and happier to sit on shoulders/ laps. Is that right? Would boys be better for a novice 9yo owner?

Does the breed make a difference to temperament? I was looking at Russian Blue, would that be okay or are there better breeds?

A friend has sent me a link to a litter of blues on Preloved. Is it okay to get them from an ad like that or is a registered NFRS breeder better?

All answers gratefully received!

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RoseMortmain · 10/05/2014 10:22

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Wolfiefan · 10/05/2014 10:30

Hi! Rats are a great idea! I've not had any recently and only had boys do can't help with girls question.
I can't believe any hamster cage will be big enough for a fully grown rat. I have used a fish tank (with mesh top) but preferred a tall cage (think it may have been for parrots!) with levels added in. (Mine liked to sleep high!)
Beware of Pets at Home style cages with hamster wheels. (They catch tails)
I'd go for an NFRS contact rather than a random person. They could give you better advice than me on housing etc.
I haven't seen the breed of eat you mention but did have a crazy blue rat that was hugely antisocial! I had hooded boys. Lovely cuddly black one. RIP Oscar. The great escape artist. Came when called though and loved to sit in my shoulder and go for a walk!

LEMmingaround · 10/05/2014 10:34

Rats are fantastic. Handle them lots and they are like dogs. I used to keep my rat in a mouse cage Shock but he only ever went there to sleep as he had the run of the house and come when called.

Wolfiefan · 10/05/2014 10:38

Yes. Yes. Handle them lots.
Mine would greet me when I came home from work. Lovely creatures. Not nocturnal like a lot of small furries. Not too whizzy to handle. I miss my boys!

eltsihT · 10/05/2014 10:39

I kept my 2 boys in a chinchilla cage, yours sounds much too small, sorry. But rats are wonderful friendly pets and I was very sorry to see mine go. When my ds are a bit older I plan on getting the cage down from the loft and getting another pair.

strawberrypenguin · 10/05/2014 10:39

Boy rats are slower and bigger (and a bit stinkier) but I've actually found that girls are more sociable and likely to want human contact. Love rats they make fab pets

70isaLimitNotaTarget · 10/05/2014 15:09

All the rats I've seen, the girls are swinging about from ladder to hammock.
The boys are Zzzzzzzzzz in the hammocks Grin

I think I'd go for girls personally .

tametortie · 10/05/2014 21:34

We have 2 boy rats and they make ace pets! Really loving, never bite and love being handled. My 11 year old dd is loving having them as a first pet that she has sole responsibility for.

Your cage sounds too small for 2 boys- they get really chunky! We got ours on eBay- it's a lazy bones 3 level cage. Not the best cage and we have had to add a bit of Lino to make it comfy on their feet. But was only £48 and easily adapted for the boys.

Only thing is boys can smell quite ripe! Ours are really lively but they scent their cage up a lot. Would prob have girls next time for this reason.

PixieofCatan · 11/05/2014 12:17

Rats are amazing for children! If you are near Brighton I'll happily bring my boys to meet you if you need convincing :) I am now going to apologise for the essay that follows! Sorry!

The cage would be too small, the width and length are great, but rats need height for climbing. Tunnels and toys designed for hamsters are too small for rats as well, our cage came with some tunnels and our boys grew out of them by 10 weeks. One of our girls could possibly use them, if not both, but they are very small for year old females and I still wouldn't risk it.

We bought this cage for our boys:
www.littlepetwarehouse.co.uk/little-friends-narrow-hamster-cage-p-16514.html

Which I think is okay, the doors aren't a great size and the shelves it comes with were getting a bit too bouncy by the time we bought a new one but it does well for the girls we have in it now. Our boys are in this:
www.littlepetwarehouse.co.uk/coco-hamster-cage-with-platforms-large-100x70x54cm-p-16580.html

The wooden shelves will need replacing and we don't use the ramps at all, but it's a nice sized cage.

Rats come in varieties rather than breeds, as long as you get them from a good breeder you'll have a good rat. If you aren't fusse don varieties then you have amuch wider range and also won't need to worry about waiting lists. Our boys are beautiful but because they aren't specifics we got them with two weeks notice, however when we buy another pair we'll be going for a pair of dumbos, for which our relatively local breeders need three+ months notice for.

Go for an NFRS breeder, they have certain standards that they need to maintain and the rats should be friendly as anything.

Boys are lazier, but they are happier being shoulder rats. Our girls are just as active as the boys are funnily enough, but when out and about they are happier in our jumpers, whereas the boys like freeranging a lot more. This could be because our girls are rescues and though we've had them for two months, they are still uncertain.

Our boys have never bitten us, we've been nipped in a curious "are you food?" way but never very hard. When they were little they nipped a little harder than was comfortable in this way (never broke skin) but within a couple of weeks they worked out just how hard they could get away with and now they rarely do it.

Getting rats is expensive, the initial layout is expensive bcause you need to buy a lot of toys and hammocks. Hammocks need changing quite regularly, toys need to keep them interested. If you get a wheel for rats you'll be looking at £20+ unless you get one of these:
www.ratrations.com/running-disc-p-1069.html
Whatever you do, do not get something like this:
www.littlepetwarehouse.co.uk/blue-metal-large-28cm-degu-chinchilla-wheel-p-16673.html which is a potential guillotine job waiting to happen (tails can get caught between the wire on the wheel and that of the wheel frame) and never ever get something like this:
www.amazon.co.uk/Rat-Wheel-Cage-Toy/dp/B0037XRU8W/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1399805728&sr=8-5&keywords=rat+wheel
Because with that one they can get their feet stuck and rats are prone to a nasty problem called bumblefoot, which can be aggravated by walking/running on mesh.
But rats aren't keen on wheels for the most part according to research I've done on it, some people say that if you introduce it young then they'll use it. Our girls came with one (when we rescued them we got a cage with them with a wheel, both the cage and wheel were unsuitable tbh) and we binned their wheel as soon as they arrived, we did replace it after 6 weeks after a lot of debate (got a 12inch silent spinner for £20-odd) but they rarely use it. One will use it for 20 second bursts and get bored. We don't regret buying it as we'll put it in with our boys when we get another pair but there is no guarantee that they'll enjoy it and it's one of those things that is very expensive for the amount it's used.

Rats need a lot of time out of their cage, recommended time is a minimum of an hour. Our boys free-range for 30 or so minutes a day too, which is allowing them free roaming over a room. You have to rat proof if you are going to do this, as 70 probably remembers, my brand spanking new baby rat got stuck under the fridge before he'd even made it into his cage. I can't find the thread (was in chat so probably gone now) but I was so devastated. Now that they are older they are better around that area and much bigger and we can trust them, whereas we can't trust our girls so they don't get to free-range right now.

Buying online is much cheaper than buying in shops, and you should never trust what a shop says about rats, always do your own research online, there are many great forums for this and I've actually found reddits rat subforum to be brilliant too.

Hammocks are great but can be expensive, there are ways around this (using old t-shirts or fleece) but a few properly made hammocks are nice too. Tubes and other toys can be made out of charity-shop kids trousers.
This girl makes amazing hammocks:
www.rataccessories.co.uk/

Vets bills can get expensive. Our vet is good, when all of ours got URIs they only charged us to see one (they saw two) and trusted our judgement on the other pair and gave us meds for all of them. Rats are prone to URIs, read up on it and find a vet who is experienced with rats. We contacted every vet in a 5 mile radius and ours didn't have anybody experienced particularly in rats, but they had somebody who was a new vet but specialising in small animals (with a particular interest in rodents), two very experienced vets and quite a few of the staff have rats as pets.

Buy a few cheap baggy zip-up tops and jumpers, rats love running around in them and sleeping in them. Ours will dive under our shirts too and sit in my bra. They may chew the clothes though, which is why you should buy cheapy ones. Don't let them run wild in knit-wear, they get their claws stuck and chew it to get loose bitter experience.

Apologies again for the essay! I love rats, they really are lovely pets! But they become very addictive too once you start looking at toys and things! We spend about £60-90 every 6-10 weeks on food in a batch order for four rats (we make up our own mix, much cheaper than buying specific rat food) and probably between £20 and £50 a month on toys and hammocks and things.

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RoseMortmain · 11/05/2014 18:37

Wow, thank you so much for all the advice!

Pixie, we're an awfully long way from Brighton but thanks for the offer! Dd doesn't need convincing and I'm coming round to the idea - they have such cute little faces, I just need to get over the tail factor...

We had a look at proper rat cages yesterday and the base of our cage is pretty much the same size as all of them but it's much shorter. Would it do while they're little until I can sneak a taller one past DH and I can get them a taller one in a couple of months (obviously without the hamster tunnels)?

The consensus seems to be to get girls and if boy rats smell as bad as DS's boy hamster then we'll definitely get girls!! I'm not keen on the idea of little wee trails everywhere either ::blee::

Someone in RL mentioned tumours/growths in girls - are they quite common? I got the impression from what she said that it was pretty much a given that girls would get one at some point.

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InvaderZim · 11/05/2014 18:43

I think you will get over the tails fear once you feel them - their tails are soft and warm and covers in soft hairs, not snakelike at all!

I haven't had rats for over 10 years, but I loved my little colony!

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HorizontalRunningOnly · 11/05/2014 18:49

Even when they are small they need lots of room as they are full of beans so would recommend just getting a proper rat cage from the start. Very cute tho friend has female dumbos

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70isaLimitNotaTarget · 11/05/2014 19:04

I find it fascinating that rats tend to dribble wee but guineas can hold their bladders?
I'm not sure if it's a 'learned' thing, the blighters certainly don't learn to use a litter tray Grin but even as teeny piglets, they give a warning (which if you ignore, well the inevitable happens) Wink

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MrsAlexVause · 11/05/2014 19:11

Boy rats have MASSIVE balls. They scared me a little. Rats are an excellent pet though. I miss mine Sad

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RoseMortmain · 11/05/2014 19:46

The boy hamster has massive balls. He sleeps with them hanging out of the window of his little house.

Which is nice.

All the rat cages I've seen this weekend and online seem to have plastic bases, are they better avoided then? Or only if we end up with a chewer?

The rat getting stuck in a hamster tunnel because it didn't realise it had got too big reminded me of our lab pup who once got wedged in the cat flap because she grew so much overnight that she suddenly didn't fit through. She didn't grow up to be very bright.

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