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Home lasers - Best buys?

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Cath2712 · 13/03/2022 17:39

Hi everyone - was considering the Lyma (gulp!) but after reading the rubbish reviews here have decided to give it a pass. Question - any views on best home lasers in the affordable catagory? Just gone into menopause and my skin has gone downhill rapidly. Need something stronger for open pores, fine lines, puckering and brown spots that you can get from a bottle - and Ive been using Obagi for years. Thanks in advance

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Branster · 03/08/2022 22:39

Fossbarron · 03/08/2022 01:03

Thankyou, someone commented they couldn't see the difference but I had over the past couple of years 4 fat dissolve injections turkey neck so there was even more laxity but the Lyma just tightens it up every time. Amazing. I'd definitely recommend it and think it is worth the money. It was a game changer for me. I recently also had a dozen threads under that area. The Foreo mini bear I have also helps. I think the Lyma laser is a great device that has produced real results for me.

You can absolutely see the difference, your under chin area is completely transformed. I was impressed with the photographs.
Do you think that is permanent or would you have to continue using the machine as diligently as you have for the long term?

Branster · 03/08/2022 22:49

@KalaniM I'm sure your new purchase will help. Enjoy using it!

The no 7 laboratoaires serum is a peptide serum with Matrixyl and it's the only product where I've seen a real difference. I use a tiny tiny bit every single morning. But as I mentioned it does plateau and if I switch to anything else then my forehead starts rearranging itself and not in a good way. I can use any other products alongside it but if I stop using it, it's a disaster. Although I'd say nothing drastic happens for 2-3 weeks. Knowing my luck, they're bound to discontinue it one day. It's this one and I only buy it on offer 3 for 2 or x% off, I never paid full price

https://www.no7beauty.co.uk/no7-laboratories-line-correcting-booster-serum-15-ml/12183525.html?affil=thggpsad&switchcurrency=GBP&shippingcountry=GB&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIzdnb9tGr-QIVmKnVCh2yUQXnEAQYAyABEgLJYDD_BwE

I need to investigate niaciamide as I've heard a lot of positives.
I can't explain why but I've never been taken with vitamin C treatments. I should look into it more.

Branster · 03/08/2022 22:54

Interesting the sticky tape tip! I must try it.
I'm rather embarrassed to admit that I purchased the eye overnight mask, the one with dots, can't remember the name (again, blame CurrentBody), despite not finding one single truly independent review. It didn't do anything for me. And it tends to slip off overnight. Snd it's annoying going to sleep wearing a mask. I did have the best intentions, great enthusiasm and determination but it didn't work for me. I passed it to my mother who reported zero results.

Branster · 03/08/2022 23:02

nancy2001 · 02/08/2022 21:35

Branster, the Tria is still available for purchase from the Tria website for $529. www.triabeauty.com/shop-all-products#shopreducewrinkles

That's very useful. I'd be tempted yo replace mine like for like when it eventually stops working so it's good to know they are still selling it and there might be some product support available.
Unless I manage to save £2000 for the Lyma one by then. They really are expensive all these gadgets. And in real life I can't talk to anyone about them. Even to friends having regular expensive treatments.

nancy2001 · 04/08/2022 02:08

Branster, ebay is selling barely used Tria lasers for $149 plus shipping:

www.ebay.com/itm/265802068906?hash=item3de309b3aa:g:mscAAOSwOppi41lT

By the way, I bought my barely used Lyma Laser for $1,890 plus tax and shipping. I've bought many beauty devices and almost all of them were listed on ebay as used.

Fossbarron · 04/08/2022 10:22

Re tape I've been using Frownies for years for number 11s/frown. Get about ,200 for $25 on eBay. They work well, stiff brown paper you wet and stick on like a postage stamp and just damp or pull it off in the morning. I bought the Matrixyl, niacinamide and Argreline (think that's how you spell it) it's meant to be like Botox topical serum to help stop wrinkles. Ive tried all of them but between retinol, moisturizer etc it's hard to know what really is helping.

nancy2001 · 04/08/2022 15:57

Oops, the ebay listing for the Tria Laser was for a repair service, not the item itself. Sorry for any confusion.

KalaniM · 04/08/2022 20:14

Branster · 03/08/2022 22:54

Interesting the sticky tape tip! I must try it.
I'm rather embarrassed to admit that I purchased the eye overnight mask, the one with dots, can't remember the name (again, blame CurrentBody), despite not finding one single truly independent review. It didn't do anything for me. And it tends to slip off overnight. Snd it's annoying going to sleep wearing a mask. I did have the best intentions, great enthusiasm and determination but it didn't work for me. I passed it to my mother who reported zero results.

I wondered and wondered about that mask but couldn’t really believe it worked, if I’d have had the £ I would have had to have tried it though! Thanks for sharing that it really was too good to be true.

KalaniM · 04/08/2022 20:20

I looked at the no7 serum ingredients, it's essentially Matrixyl I think. frownies are very good, I just use tape because it’s cheaper and as well as a triangle on the 11’s , I can put an oblong of tape above my left eyebrow.. because I sleep on my left side and get scrunched up!

Fossbarron · 04/08/2022 22:41

Good tip, what sort of tape? Micropore/sticky tape, I'm curious, probably cheaper If not Frownies

Fossbarron · 06/08/2022 00:16

Great, I'll buy a roll of that tape. Thankyou very much. Probably be better than Frownies

GBoucher · 23/02/2023 13:01

I have an update on the Lyma laser, for what it's worth. I've been using it since Aug last year (minus a few periods of a few weeks each when I didn't use it for one reason or another), and it absolutely works. Skin is tighter and kind of glows. Amazing results on scars including older ones that are decades old. Fine lines are reduced. Doesn't seem to work on hyperpigmentation and deep wrinkles, though. However, I have now decided it is not for me. Why? It burns fat. The Lyma laser website does say that the device can reduce fat and cellulite on the body, but I just assumed it was a marketing ploy, especially since it also says it only burns body fat not face fat. That's such a ridiculous statement since facial fat is biologically no different from body fat and behaves in exactly the same manner. If you lose weight, you also lose fat on your face (unfortunately). There are no magical properties of facial fat that make it impervious to lipolysis. In any case, I didn't believe that Lyma can burn any fat and happily used it for months.
BUT READ ON...

Five weeks ago, I had a cooking accident where quite a large quantity of very hot cooking oil splashed on my face. The burns basically covered the the left side of my face, not like one continuous area of burn, but about 15 spots of varying sizes. The oil even managed to get on my left eyeball (damn eyelid didn't close in time) and burned about 50% of my cornea off. Yes, I was rushed off to the ER and the whole thing was a giant palaver not to mention extremely scary as I thought I had blinded myself for life. Following the incident, I decided I would use the Lyma laser only on the left side of my face until the burns healed as they needed all the help they could get. Although I had reservations using the Lyma laser directly on my eyeball (I didn't ask the doctor if I should do this as I thought he would think I was insane. Also, I would first have to explain what the hell the Lyma laser is, and I just felt a bit silly knowing that doctors are extremely busy people.), I decided to take the risk. I used the laser on my eye with the eyelid closed, directly over the burnt spot on my cornea for 5-10 min a day. The result? My cornea fully regenerated within 3 days. I went from not being able to see anything immediately after the incident (it was like fog had descended on my eye) to having perfect vision again. It was freaky. I also used the laser on all the burn spots once or twice a day for about 10-15 min per spot. The skin took longer to heal than the eye. Four weeks later, discolouration on the burn spots was still present, although I have to admit they had still healed really well. I had no complications or infections, everything closed up fine, etc. it was just the colour (darker than the rest of the skin). BUT THIS IS WHEN I got the shock of my life. I was studying my face in the mirror exactly four weeks after the incident, when I saw that the left side of my face was noticeably thinner than my right. In profile, I could clearly see that the left cheek was flat, not curved like the right one, the left temple was much hollower than the right, the forehead was much bonier than the right, and the nasolabial line on the left was much shallower than on the right because the left cheek had flattened so much! The only thing that could have caused this is the Lyma laser that was I using exclusively on the left side of my face due to the burns. And because I was desperate to heal quickly, I was using it for about 4-5 hours a day. I'm 47 years old, very thin (5'2" and 98-100lb), and have a very thin face. It's one of my biggest complexes and I've even had fat grafts on my face because of this. It is an understatement to say that I am devastated. Prior to the accident, I had been using the laser on my face, knees, chest, butt, and in none of these places can I afford to lose any fat!! If the benefits of tighter skin, etc. come at the expense of fat (volume), the device, unfortunately, is useless to me. The risk of fat loss is the very reason I had never tried devices that use RF, ultrasound, and other heat-generating methods, so I feel extremely let down that the company that makes Lyma laser does not make this issue clear. In fact, they use questionable science to state that the device can somehow burn body fat while leaving facial fat intact. I mean, come on... As of now, I have stopped using the device completely as I wait to see if the fat loss is temporary or permanent. I am really really hoping that the fat will come back now that I no longer use it. Anyway, I thought I would warn others of this side effect. I am also aware that there are many (lucky) women out there for whom fat loss would be an additional benefit not a drawback. If you are one of these, I would heartily recommend this device. As evidenced by my cornea that completely regenerated itself in three days (in fact, my vision in that eye is even better than before the accident!), this thing most definitely works.

Cath2712 · 23/02/2023 16:45

OMG @GBoucher I'm so sorry to hear about this - what an awful thing to happen. I hope you are recovered. Its sounds terrifying and certainly puts things in perspective.

I've held back on the Lyma and actually picked up a Silk n' Face Tite from Aldi for about £80! But I'm just too lazy to use its religiously and the skin around my eyes is getting quite grizzled now and my neck is getting lines and loss of tone that I cant seem to treat. I'm using the No7 serums which are good and not too scarily priced but sadly the skin I took for granted a few years ago is a distant memory now.

I have also had fat grafts done - about 10 years ago, as I lost a lot of weight very quickly and everything dropped. I had it done in Turkey (mistake) and was badly overstuffed. I've had to have lower eye job done to get rid of some hardened lumps that developed. I'm still too stuffed in the central section of my face so fat loss wouldn't be too bad there. But I'm craggy in the temples and elsewhere and I'm about to have some new fat grafting to my forehead as this is bony and uneven and it drives me nuts. I've also had two PDO thread-lifts which have gone well but don't last much beyond a year to 18 months - so they work out expensive.

I think as I get older I'm going to try to do just a little bit from time to time or I will end up looking like Jackie Stallone. I'll have another look at the Lyma but I've heard so many mixed reviews that I'm not convinced. Its a lot of money.

I hope you can put this ordeal behind you.

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GBoucher · 23/02/2023 17:23

@Cath2712 , have you had fat transfer to your forehead before? I had it done once several years ago but the results weren't very even. The surgeon told me it's because the forehead is a wide, flat area, so any unevenness is very noticeable. Also because we move the muscles in the forehead all the time, the fat cells bunch up while they are in the process of settling. I really want to give it another go but I am afraid of unevenness. If I do, I'll get a couple shots of botox in the forehead at the same time, to freeze the muscles while the fat takes. The surgeon recommended it the first time too, but I'd never had botox (still haven't) and didn't like the idea of injecting a foreign substance in my face.

I've found it's quite hard to get firming treatments if you have a thin face. Pretty much everything on the market seems to come with the risk of fat loss, Thermage, Ultherapy, even RF microneedling. I thought Lyma was the answer to my prayers and am gutted that I got fat loss from that too. Now, I'm looking at fat transfer to replace the lost fat, after which I'll just stick to non-RF microneedling and retinol.

If you're overstuffed from fat transfer, there are injections you can get to dissolve some of the fat. I had fat grafts on my lips and some of the fat settled outside the lip line (so my lower lip was larger than the actual vermillion portion). I got injections to dissolve all the fat outside the lip line so my lips are now normal again. Obviously, this was a very precise procedure because I didn't want to lose any fat INSIDE the lip line. It's done very gradually. Each session only dissolves a small amount of fat, so you just keep going until you're left with what you want. I had five sessions in total, one week apart, to get rid of all the errant lip fat. Point is, it's far better to end up with too much fat than too little, in my view. If you end up with too much, it's not that difficult to reduce it to a level you're happy with, but if not enough fat takes, you have no choice but to do another fat transfer (and I have real trouble finding enough fat on my body to harvest because I'm so thin) or just live with a thin, haggard face :-(

Cath2712 · 23/02/2023 17:51

About eighteen months ago I had some fat added to two very odd dents I had just above my eyebrows. My dad had them too so I think it was a genetic thing. I went to a guy on Harley Street whose one of the top cranio- surgeons in the UK and he is doing me aqain this time. (Its costing a lot but ... no pockets in shrouds I guess).
I have a wide but shallow forehead so any irregularity is really noticeable, and I just want to get this sorted as its very ageing, especially after I have spent so much on the rest of my face.

I have tried Ultherapy which was ok -but had no long term benefits
I'm thinking about rd micro needling or this Morpheus 8 treatment that everyone is raving about. But did you find the Lyma really improved the tone and quality of your skin? Its my top lip and around my eyes that are ageing fast now, along with the back of my hands, literally they have gone in the space of a few months - its scary. My neck has been on the slide for a while and I am wondering if you can get a combination of fat and botox injections for this.

I looked into a buccal fat removal for the central section of my face but I've been advised to leave it alone - as any loss would hollow me out and age me.
I've got quite fat lips naturally so I wont touch those - I know people in Turkey who've had that lip job done where they cut strip of flesh from under your nose and yank it up - but get it wrong and you'll end up looking like Bugs Bunny, so I will pass on that.

I don't regret the fat transfer because if I hadn't had it done my face would look like a melting pancake by now - but it took years and lot of cash to get it all repaired. I've been having botox for about 15 years now - I can only say its worked for me. I had a booster shot on Monday as it happens.

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GBoucher · 23/02/2023 18:41

@Cath2712 Ah, so you just did two spots on your forehead not the whole thing. That is fine. It's when you cover the entire forehead when you get problems with unevenness. But, it's bloody fantastic for plumping up the skin and filling in wrinkles. I am so tempted even despite the risk. Definitely do not touch your buccal fat! It will give you hollow cheeks and make you look haggard. I have hollow cheeks (I have hollow everything). I will add some fat there too when I get my fat graft. If you want cheekbone definition, go for something less drastic that will reduce fat there for a little bit of sculpting (like a judicious amount of fat dissolving injections or just Lyma your cheeks! That definitely melts fat and you'll get all the positive effects too), but buccal fat removal takes out far too much.
Yes, Lyma definitely works for me. If it weren't for the fat loss it would be the perfect device for my purposes. It works on fine lines, general texture, smoothness and firmness, adds glow. The effects are subtle but real. Now that I can't use it on my face, chest, knees and butt, I will use it on areas I don't care about losing fat in - backs of hands and neck. I also want to have it on hand for healing purposes for when I have surgeries or accidents as it speeds up healing and reduces swelling and bruising. If I had known about the fat loss, would I still have bought it, though? Probably not, given the cost. It's too expensive not to be able to be used on the most important areas, but it's definitely worth keeping since I've already made the purchase rather than flogging it at half price.

Cath2712 · 23/02/2023 19:27

Thanks for this - I will keep an eye out on ebay for a Lyma. But the cost of all this stuff combined is getting ruinous.

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