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Tropic

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BaconAndAvocado · 24/01/2021 09:20

Have just been recommended the Tropic concealer for my crepey under eye area.

The whole range looks gorgeous, I'd never heard of it before.

Anyone used Tropic ?

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YouokHun · 05/02/2021 15:40

@Bubbles1st I’d be interested in your definition actually. Can you explain the difference for me?

Bubbles1st · 05/02/2021 16:05

@YouokHun of course you do.

The most basic difference to me is that MLM
Is focused on recruitment and rewarding for recruitment - bonus payments when people join their team.

This doesn't exist in social selling where the main purpose of the business is to empower individuals to have their own network of customers who they sell to and their is no reward for someone joining your team - unless you are successful at selling then benefits will come later down the line if you so wish to achieve that. However Tropic for example do not have sales targets so there is pressure in that domain to recruit.

Lots of other detailed and varied reading to do on google if you are actually interested in being educated rather just trying to provoke.

YouokHun · 05/02/2021 16:20

@Bubbles1st am I trying to provoke you? I’m just interested in your explanation of the difference between “social selling” and MLM. Can you suggest some reading material that confirms your definition? I’d appreciate it.

doadeer · 05/02/2021 16:47

Social selling or social commerce is the name for when businesses allow you to purchase via social media channels such a Facebook shops or checkout on instagram.

Tropic employs network marketing or a multi level marketing model.

(I work in ecommerce and write about this every day)

JinglingHellsBells · 05/02/2021 17:22

Just out of interest, what's wrong with MLM and why is it any different from working for the minimum wage as asst in a shop? Genuine question.

BlairWaldorfLovesShopping · 05/02/2021 17:29

@JinglingHellsBells have a read of this (it’s long but explains well why MLMs are inherently exploitative and should be illegal).
travellingjezebel.com/is-arbonne-a-pyramid-scheme/

YouokHun · 05/02/2021 17:29

Exactly @doadeer. I don’t think any more will be forthcoming from @Bubbles1st. I, along with others, run MLMtruth.org and Tropic fits the criteria for MLM (we’ve been studying this industry for many years so we have a pretty good grip on what is going on). It can call itself social selling all it likes but the business model is still MLM. Tropic certainly isn’t the worst offender in this category but terms like social selling don’t tell the full story.

BlairWaldorfLovesShopping · 05/02/2021 17:31

Apols for double post, but this article is shorter and explains it well:
travellingjezebel.com/anti-mlm-why-mlm-companies-are-bad/
Just because Tropic have good products and sell them direct through the website as well as through distributors, doesn’t make them not an MLM.

YouokHun · 05/02/2021 17:39

@JinglingHellsBells

Just out of interest, what's wrong with MLM and why is it any different from working for the minimum wage as asst in a shop? Genuine question.
@JinglingHellsBells you could watch the BBC documentary The secrets of the Multilevel Millionaires, it’s on iPlayer. It explains the problem with companies that adopt this business model. It’s incredibly difficult to earn as much as the minimum wage in MLM, some do, and some make a huge amount of money but around 99.6% of all sign ups in MLM make no money or lose money. Sometimes the products are nice (I gather Tropic is in this bracket), often they’re nothing special, but they are almost always very expensive and this makes it really difficult to sell enough product to produce a regular wage. Some people don’t want that or need it, but many people really could do with knowing how slim the chances are before they risk trying to sell in a saturated market.
doadeer · 05/02/2021 17:48

I've noticed since I had a baby I've been flooded with invites to join these silly schemes on LinkedIn and Facebook. Promising me I can be there for my child. It's vile playing on "mum guilt" it feels highly exploitative and telling women they can earn all this money from home. Yeah right! Hmm

JinglingHellsBells · 05/02/2021 17:53

I have seen programmes a long time ago about MLMs and was once targeted by someone wanting me to join her team.
It wasn't for me, but if Tropic gives 25% on all sales, what's not to like? I'm not being 'difficult' with this, I'm just genuinely puzzled why it's not a decent job for maybe a SAHM who can make as much doing it as they might working part time in a store or as a TA or whatever.

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doadeer · 05/02/2021 17:55

Because lots of MLM require women to buy stock and they end up out of pocket and are told this is because they aren't being positive enough or other nonsense.

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Bubbles1st · 05/02/2021 17:57

@YouokHun wow, actually I have a thing called a life and was going to come back to when I had time.
The most interesting thing I found was actually this- directly
Linked to Tropic. Makes very interesting reading the founder hits backs answers exactly why Tropic is not MLM.

I agree that MLM are wrong I am sick of seeing people tagged in posts along side 30 other people about ruby or platinum or whatever promotions they have hit by recruitment only in industries which are unethical and most probably unsafe in the long term - detox coffee springs to mind.

If you are going to bash MLMs as a whole the least you can is accept when a company isn't one.

BlairWaldorfLovesShopping · 05/02/2021 18:09

@Bubbles1st is a link that repeatedly describes Tropic as an MLM meant to support your assertion that Tropic is not an MLM? Confused

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Bubbles1st · 05/02/2021 18:28

@BlairWaldorfLovesShopping because it's still only the websites opinion that it's an MLM. I shared it because the honest and frank interview that Susie Ma tells you much more I would like to think people can read that and form an opinion based on that.

The website says everything positive about tropic- they just fall short of admitting they are wrong.

bigdecisionstomake · 05/02/2021 18:45

I've been using a few tropic products for about 3-4 years now. Their toning mist is fabulous and I'd go so far as to say a holy grail product for me now. I also love the fruit peel and the super greens. The hydrating mask is excellent too and the cleanser. I tend to mix up my routine a lot so dip in and out with Tropic, except for the toning mist which I'm never without.

I like the ethics of the company, in terms of the cruelty free and natural nature of the products, although I'm a bit meh about the whole clean beauty thing as a whole generally. Although I make a purchase 2-3 times a year (from the website usually) I never get hassled to buy anything from anyone. Once in a blue moon an email arrives from them if they've got a special offer on but that's not frequent at all.

FWIW, I'm friendly with a couple of Tropic Ambassadors who have been selling the products for several years now and both of them have it just as a little side line alongside their day jobs. I asked one about the MLM thing a year or two ago and she laughed about that and said there was absolutely no pressure to recruit at all. The option was there if you wanted it but all the Ambassadors she knew were like her and just enjoyed selling the products for a bit of extra income on the side.

I've never tried any of the make up so can't help with your concealer question I'm afraid but my experience is that the Ambassadors really know their stuff about the products so it would be worth asking for some advice if you know who your local one is.

YouokHun · 05/02/2021 18:52

@JinglingHellsBells

I have seen programmes a long time ago about MLMs and was once targeted by someone wanting me to join her team. It wasn't for me, but if Tropic gives 25% on all sales, what's not to like? I'm not being 'difficult' with this, I'm just genuinely puzzled why it's not a decent job for maybe a SAHM who can make as much doing it as they might working part time in a store or as a TA or whatever.
On the face of it it looks like the answer to all our flexible-working prayers doesn’t it? If you don’t need the money and just like the discounts it’s not harming you directly. But most people can’t make a consistent success of it over time by sales alone and they may be relying on it. MLMs want you to tap into your network, so you need a decent sized network of people willing to regularly purchase high price point items. In terms of marketing beyond your network, it’s tricky, you’re competing with other network marketers, not just Tropic but other MLMs of similar type operating on social media, not to mention the online retailing world. A lot of people get beginners luck; their family wants to support them and it’s a novelty but often those same people just don’t need or can’t afford to purchase as regularly as you need to sell it. Some people, ie beauticians, tack MLM onto the side of their businesses and get better reach that way and are not relying on it for income.

MLM is in decline, it’s had a bit of a boost during Covid as the companies have been recruiting hard among those who have lost their jobs, but if the economists who study this industry are to be believed the trend is downwards, that’s already burning new recruits within a year of signing up when they are relying upon it. This is coupled with an increasing irritation with MLM from members of the public who are being plagued by MLMers right now and growing awareness of the predatory nature of them and some of the behaviours; harnessing charity through product sponsorship to increase volumes for example.

If the way MLM is pitched at people wasn’t so misleading it would be better. It would really help if MLMs were forced in the U.K. to publish proper income disclosures, but they don’t have to. People drop out believing they’re at fault. Many have spent a lot of money and bought a lot of product along the way. Sure, you’re not encouraged in an overt way to buy product but the distributor is usually their own best customer. Often people need to do pretty long hours to produce even modest financial success and they have no protection, holiday pay etc. They have all the expenses of doing business too (but none of the control). In order to give the selling more traction networks are grown by building a team as this is the only way to make money by taking a cut from people beneath you. This encouragement to build a team may not be obvious but it’s there. The way people are compensated for teams is also not obvious or always the same in all the companies but it’s definitely there too.

As an industry it exploits mainly women by speaking the language of empowerment whilst simultaneously keeping them in very low earning ‘jobs’ (in real terms).

EveryoneRevealsThemselves · 05/02/2021 18:57

I agree with the others that I refuse to support any business that runs as an MLM (even if it’s only one side of their business. They are toxic and prey on the vulnerable, particularly women and should be banned.

If anyone fancies watching something about MLMs I highly recommend this John Oliver episode
m.youtube.com/watch?v=s6MwGeOm8iI

YouokHun · 05/02/2021 18:58

I know Hannah who wrote that article. She’ll tell you Tropic is MLM just as anyone who knows anything about it will. Look, I agree with you @Bubbles1st, Tropic is in no way the worst of the bunch but it’s middle class demeanour and the fact that many can afford to treat it as a hobby doesn’t mean it’s not MLM by the technical definition.

YouokHun · 05/02/2021 19:01

*its

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