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Bonne année, Parisiennes de Mamansnet! C'est Le nouveau thread full of nouveau ideés!

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TossDaily · 28/12/2017 11:00

Excuse the franglais.

Here it is - the third thread in the series, where we add a little je ne sais quoi to our lives, inspired by the style of our souers across the Channel.

Thanks to our top contributor and style guru Botemp, we are finding ways to lift ourselves out of the style doldrums with a slash of red on the lips, a touch of white where it counts, an insouciant scarf or even an over the knee sock or two for the brave among us.

Take it as far as you dare, Mariannes!

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RosieLig · 02/01/2018 14:56

Botemp - thank you for the denim shirt post. It’s funny that the first picture is of Capucine Safyurtlu -I love her style! Unfortunately whilst her outfits would fit pretty well into my lifestyle her high heels would not! I don’t think her look works so well without the heels-it would be too masculine for me.

I may rethink my shirt after seeing that photo and go for something heavier and more vintage looking.

Thanks again.

Baconbinge · 02/01/2018 15:12

Just de-lurking to say that i have LOVED reading each and everyone of these Parisienne threads. It brings a smile to my face whenever i get the chance to catch up on them.

As a result i have been wearing red lipstick more, filing my nails instead of biting them, taking more time to accessorize my outfits, polishing my shoes so they look well kept etc... Basically little things that are very easy and affordable to do, but things that make such a difference to your overall look and feeling.

I have just purchased my first sale item from & other stories. This top, which is still full price on their website but was 50% off in store. The quality is great, and for £22.50 i couldn't walk away from it.

I'm in the process of buying a house, which unfortunately means I do not have a big budget to fulfill my Parisienne dream, so i will continue to live vicariously through you lot.

Tanaqui · 02/01/2018 17:04

JUst saying happy new year! (And marking my place!). Am not at all French today- black tights, boots and rollneck, but a monsoon floral print cord shift over the top!

Thank you all for the pics and links for inspiration.

explodingkittens · 02/01/2018 18:11

Oh merde. My beautiful new Comptoir jeans arrived and I can't get them done up over the post-Christmas gut! They'll cost me to send back so I reckon they'll have to be my Trousers of Truth to keep me on the straight and narrow weight-loss wise Grin

I did some sleeve-rolling today for the first day back at work; it was moderately successful. Striped top under black slouchy sweater, calf-length stretchy black skirt, opaques and black ankle boots. Red lippy of course Wink

ProperLavs · 02/01/2018 19:27

baconbinge good luck with the house buying. I'm sure there are very very many Parisiennes who don't have lots of money to spend on expensive items of clothing. It's more about styling what you do have differently.
kittens I don't have scales but I do have truth clothing. I always take a deep breath before putting them on!

explodingkittens · 02/01/2018 19:50

Trouble is @ProperLavs I seem to have more truth clothing than any other sort atm Grin I have an utterly beautiful dark blue circle skirt (with pockets!) that has a broad waistband that I can only do up when I've been off the sugary stuff for a good while. I need to get back in that skirt by the spring!

ProperLavs · 02/01/2018 20:02

I know the sort of coat you mean kittens, sounds beautiful. I'm sure you will get into it.
Today in a second hand warehouse type place I found a vintage st.michael kneee length thin, pure wool blazer/coat. It has never been worn, immaculate, fits me like a glove and looks very posh. 3 pounds!

botemp · 02/01/2018 20:23

Merde, here too. I only meant to dash into TKMaxx to get a new yoga mat before closing time, completely forgetting the beginning of January is the worst time to buy exercise gear, so instead, I had a look if they had any Costume National in. All quite innocent browsing really, until I chanced upon a navy Joseph trench coat in the sale for a little over a 100 euros Shock. They claimed it was originally ten times that but I was a tad sceptical but internet confirmed as much. It's quite seventies and is really quite special with the stitching, perfect length, not full and not too short (feels more contemporary somehow) though a tad big. I haven't made up my mind yet whether to keep, have it altered, or get a Uniqlo lightweight down coat to go under it and give it a bit more range seasonally but I couldn't just leave it there as I knew it would haunt me at night. 30 days to return so I can take my time dithering. It's also mostly synthetic, like the 70s, which I was less enthused about but in a coat I don't find it as problematic, at least it'll keep me dry and the collars do that flattering sticky up thing and it falls straight like a much heavier fabric would.

banana, I think those Soeur trousers actually have sturdy enough fabric to be able to roll up the hems and wear them cropped like the Uniqlo pic, would give you a bit of added versatility into spring as I doubt you're one to feel the promised warmth all that quickly.

Elle, I personally prefer a Chambray shirt. It's woven like denim with the alternating colours of white at the back, blue at the front, but it's not as unwieldy and thick/heavy as traditional denim so it has a bit of drape and ease. I think a proper denim shirt is quite hard to pull off as effortless unless you're very slight in contrast as it can be a bit butch/bulky. I like Isabel Marant for these, she usually releases them around this time of year in the resort collection, but most French brands will have a version.

The Dries documentary aired on national TV here, so lucky I could just watch it back online but I think it's available on itunes now as well. It was really lovely, and I liked what he had to say about dressing a woman, how he designed for their personality as a starting point, not a silhouette. It also made me realise that much of what I sprout here is about somewhat giving understanding to a designer's creative process more so than a stylistic approach. If you're ever planning on visiting Antwerp plan for the bi-annual sample sale week in May and November, you get to go into the actual Dries van Noten warehouse and gawk at everything and touch but no photos allowed. It's glorious, there was the most amazing beaded skirt with a dragon pattern completely in white that weighed a ton that I was over the moon with, but where I'd wear it I'd have no idea. In that documentary, he does go on about not saving silk, brocades and beadwork for party wear and just making them part of the every day. I used to do it a lot more in the past, I don't know why I stopped beyond that those items wear out much, much, quicker.

I like that top from Soeur you linked, I think it is the case that you need to tuck it into a pair of high waisted trousers or skirt and not be too chesty. I only discovered Souer in Paris last summer, I think there are a few UK stockists but not as wide a selection. It vaguely reminds me of Isabel Marant and Vanessa Bruno in their early days. It is actually started by two sisters, a lot of French brands are actually women-owned and operated, or a couple, and I do feel women design differently for women.

There are plenty of sites to input your measurements into but I don't find them all that accurate. For me it's easy, as I have the most standard measurements for an hourglass and dead on medium wasted. I'm not in between, it's pretty easy to observe as well standing in front of the mirror in my underwear. I still think that's the best way to go before measurements, and in all honesty, if you're at the lower end of the spectrum size-wise with no exaggerated features, it's less of an obstacle or hindrance. Someone linked this blog post earlier which is Trinny & Sussanah based which made me skeptical but the flowchart is pretty useful and if you click through to the body shapes I actually found them quite a good classification as it takes height into it much more.

The &Other Stories straight fit is longer, so you can wear it tucked in but then pull it out and blouse it out, so to speak. If you're willing to spend a bit more, the silk shirts from Filippa K are really quite nice and the cream of the crop are the Signature Shirt from Equipment, though I only buy those from Yoox or similar, I find them overpriced at RRP. I do love them a bit too much though.

Proper, but attitudes to boobs are changing again, and have been for a bit. I remember the world was basically segregated into the haves and have-nots when I was a teenager, and if you were a have-not you best be very waify. Getting them done was as commonplace as those lip fillers are now, it didn't matter that they looked obviously done and completely disproportionate to their frame, they were a status symbol and we were all focused a lot on them. Push up and padded bras became the norm (and minimisers seem to all have disappeared), a silhouette without breasts had negative connotations, stupidly of course. That part of it has waned, and I do hear it more often now that 10-20yrs on people regret ever getting them done, a folly of youth, they're as carbon dating as tattoos, so now small and moderate boobs are desirable.

Rosie, her style really is polished up by the heel collection, and she is quite a polished person by nature, shoes seem to be the only place she reveals that. Emanuelle Alt has very similar looks but she often wears sandals in summer, so it's not that it can't be done, but that extra bit of polish is helped by heels. Capucine Safyurtlu does do flats on occasion but she'll switch out the straight/slim fit jeans for something baggier like a boyfriend (but it's more of a slim boyfriend fit) and then do very narrow, barely there ballerinas/D'Orsay flats.

Bonne année, Parisiennes de Mamansnet! C'est Le nouveau thread full of nouveau ideés!
Bonne année, Parisiennes de Mamansnet! C'est Le nouveau thread full of nouveau ideés!
Bonne année, Parisiennes de Mamansnet! C'est Le nouveau thread full of nouveau ideés!
ProperLavs · 02/01/2018 20:44

ah bo tk maxx got you too!

I know what you mean about not being able to leave something that was that lovely and that much of a steal. I hope you decide to keep it.

I do hope you are right re attitudes to breasts. I don't want huge bazoomers, just a little something, but I will feel less self conscious if things are shifting again. I have a friend who is even more petit than me, she is slimmer and shorter and had boob job, they are enormous, especially on her frame. I find they completely;y dominate my view when I talk to her because they seem so odd.

botemp · 02/01/2018 21:05

I don't like either situation though, Proper, because it'll mean the well endowed get othered this time. I really wish those type of tendencies wouldn't influence our self-worth so much. To this day, my mother is still the only woman I've known to be completely happy and satisfied with the natural and moderate sized breasts she had. Everyone else either wants bigger, smaller, perkier, rounder, more demure nipples, larger nipples, etc. etc. I'm getting close to just being happy with what they are, I always appreciated that mine are in a good proportion to my body and that they're sort of omnivores, I can dress them up and give them more notice (but it's not my natural inclination) or dress them down but there were definite times that I wished they were something else. But I really rather not fret on whether the size of my chest is in fashion or not, considering how easy access to surgery is and how low the threshold has become it feels all the more harmful in my mind. I'm not ashamed to admit though, if an injectable proven safe came onto the market that wouldn't change my cup size but just even out the volume and get me into a full cup fit bra I probably wouldn't reject it outright.

EnidButton · 02/01/2018 21:19

My boobs are excellent.Grin

prettybird · 02/01/2018 21:19

I love my boobs - and have come to appreciate them more the older I get Grin

When I was in my 20s, I thought I was a 34B - but by modern measuring, I was probably closer to a 30 or 32D.

Today I am technically a 34E or F - I've lost 3 stone over the last 7 months (still at least 1.5 stone to go) and even though I've lost quite a few inches in my under bust measurement, I've barely lost any in my "around bust" measurement, so am technically going up cup sizes Confused I still pass the pencil test though! Grin

EnidButton · 02/01/2018 21:27

That pencil test is bollocks though I've 'failed' it since I was 13. Some people have tear drop shaped breasts that are heavier on the bottom. Still perky or whatever word you want to use but you could've stashed a branch of WH Smith under them let alone a pencil.

EnidButton · 02/01/2018 21:28

28-30 FF btw

vitaminC · 02/01/2018 21:34

Hi everyone. I have been following these threads from the start, but life was too hectic to get a chance to post until now.
I am French and it's amusing to me to see the Anglosaxon people's fascination with our style, fashions, lifestyle etc.

I grew up here, but my mum is English, so I didn't get the style secrets passed down from mother to daughter, and had to sort of figure out for myself as an awkward teen. My own daughters are very French, though, and one in particular just has that natural, innate French flair.

Bo 's explanations have been spot-on, and I've really enjoyed reading the science behind it all.

I would say, that while the breton shirt everyone seems to be obsessed with on the internat may have originated in Brittany, it looks very English/American to me. It's much louder than anything the average French woman would wear.

I don't actually get to dress all that Parisian these days, myself, as I currently live in the most unstylish city in France. People here are very outdoorsy and if you ever see anyone in a suit, they're obviously lost not from round here. Even businessmen go to work in hiking boots and technical jackets, then pop out for a 90-minute hike in their lunch break Grin

It's 20 years since I left Paris, but there is a good chance we will be moving back in the next 5 years. It will be nice to have an opportunity to dress up a bit smarter!

botemp · 02/01/2018 21:35

If I have my conversions correctly I'm the same size as Enid, although the bra intervention thing has me as a GG Confused obvs was already aware of my excellent status but nice to see it confirmed Grin

Remind me of the pencil test again, one is good but two is horribly wrong or some awful bollocks like that?

botemp · 02/01/2018 21:43

Funny you should mention that VitaminC and have confirmed I don't talk utter bollocks, I've only ever seen the French wear a proper Breton whilst at the seaside being tourists (in own country) themselves. A very fine stripe shirt here and there in different materials and colours, and usually not in S/S but not a full on Breton as pretty much every other 'How to get your French Chic' article on the internet proposes. They just need a bike with a wicker basket to complete the cliche. I half suspect the international Breton obsession started when Audrey Tatou was channelling Coco Chanel on film, it made a prominent feature in that IIRC.

prettybird · 02/01/2018 21:44

Pencil test is supposed to be that you pass if a pencil can't be held by your boob if you stick it underneath at least that's what I was told

I agree that so much of the obsession with boobs is bollocks: my mum had "good" boobs and I inherited the same shape. Nowt much that diet or exercise could do about it (as long as I was in a normal BMI although I'm currently in the overweight category ) - it was just good luck/genetics.

And what's so lovely about this thread is that it's about having the confidence to dress well for the body that you have and not to try to be something else.

AuldAlliance · 02/01/2018 21:54

God, I have never considered whether my boobs might be in fashion or not. Which probably means they're not and never have been.

I have a chambray shirt from Gap, in days when they made quality basics. I love it, and wear it with white or black jeans, never blue denim. Occasionally chino type trousers in khaki.

I am looking at your links, but after Coatfest, I shall have to do no more than that.

That Joseph coat looks nice, Bo: the stitching reminds me of several of my mum's coats. She had a bright red raincoat with contrasting white stitching all very straight and right-angled like that, circa 1976.

vitaminC, interesting about your daughters and innate French style. And now I'm trying to guess where you live Wink
BTW, as a Scot, I twitch (well, actually, that's a huge understatement) at the term Anglo-Saxon used to describe anyone and everyone who comes from an English-speaking country. It's weirdly indiscriminate given how precise French can be. A colleague here once asked me if I could recommend a book on Anglo-Saxon contract law, and before I'd engaged my brain I replied that I didn't think the Anglo-Saxons wrote many contracts...

EnidButton · 02/01/2018 21:57

Grin bo

If a 13 year old girl can hold a pencil under her very new boobs then the pencil test is bullshit.

botemp · 02/01/2018 22:05

what's so lovely about this thread is that it's about having the confidence to dress well for the body that you have and not to try to be something else

^well said, pretty

Interesting, AuldA, I always think English-American when I hear Anglo-Saxon, although the term is only ever used here when discussing economics (mostly not a positive term, depending on political orientation, obvs), often interchangeably used for or to refer to Keynesian Economics.

TheGrumpySquirrel · 02/01/2018 22:06

Just quickly as it's past my bedtime, I had my boobs done 10yrs ago (was 32A/B but lost all volume post breastfeeding and weight loss and was a miserable 32AA with big hips) went to 30D/32C which balanced me out nicely (now hourglass, although currently overweight&pregnant so 32E) BUT I still regret it.. they are too sticky outy, they make me look matronly in big jumpers, I'm considering removal although I know they will look shrivelled!

vitaminC · 02/01/2018 22:08

Oops, sorry AuldAlliance, I didn't mean to offend! Anglosaxon is pretty widely-used shorthand for the entire English-speaking world and I didn't really think about the connotations. My own British ancestry is mainly viking, I think.

Yes, botemp, the marinière is mainly worn by wealthy, older ladies on holiday. Although my 15yo would wear one ironically and look great in it. At 45, I'd just look (and feel) frumpy!

bananafish81 · 02/01/2018 22:09

Just Googled the pencil test - don't have enough boobs to even lean a pencil up against, let alone hold it in place Blush

Which is why the idea of being a D cup is hilarious to me, even though I know that a 28D is the same volume of boob as & sister size to 34A (which sounds significantly less curvaceous)

According to a couple of bra fitting articles I seem to have 'swooping' breasts ie less volume at the top

Tbh I'm actually completely comfortable with my breasts, they seem in proportion to the rest of me - the lack of volume on top is mildly irritating insofar as it's quite limiting in terms of bra styles that fit / suit, but I don't think I'd change my boobs just because of that. When I was pregnant I looked completely out of proportion as it was only early pregnancy so obvs didn't look pregnant, but I had this enormous rack. They took a while to go down after my miscarriages, so I don't know if that affected the volume now or not. But I don't think I'd choose to be any bigger - they suit my body shape and don't get in the way, so that's pretty much fine for me!

botemp · 02/01/2018 22:14

Oh and apologies, I have an interesting link, whilst looking up Capucine Safyurtlu and flats for a pic, I came to discover she's the creative director of a totally lustworthy shoe brand Stella Luna. Lots of flats, including various boots, a really lusty all-black version of those buckled &Other Stories boots we were discussing earlier. Also lots of good mid-calf boots and some stunning OTK. Lots of buckles, etc. Good flats and obviously enviable heels. Lots on sale too and actually makes them rather reasonable I want like three pairs and I haven't seen them all yet, my sense of reasonable may be warped.

Crikey, this thread has made my Paris list of places to visit extremely long...

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