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Bonne année, Parisiennes de Mamansnet! C'est Le nouveau thread full of nouveau ideés!

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TossDaily · 28/12/2017 11:00

Excuse the franglais.

Here it is - the third thread in the series, where we add a little je ne sais quoi to our lives, inspired by the style of our souers across the Channel.

Thanks to our top contributor and style guru Botemp, we are finding ways to lift ourselves out of the style doldrums with a slash of red on the lips, a touch of white where it counts, an insouciant scarf or even an over the knee sock or two for the brave among us.

Take it as far as you dare, Mariannes!

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ProperLavs · 24/01/2018 07:07

I have lots of my late dad's Inis meain jumpers . They are gorgeous.

ToElleWithIt · 24/01/2018 07:50

Popping back on to say that the bootcuts suit your shape auld you've great legs.

While I feel like my more casual outfits are getting better I'm still back in my comfort zone whenever I have to dress "smartly" for work. I work in a conservative industry and while I can dress down if I don't have meetings, when I do have meetings I have to dress very smartly. My problem is that in these situations my outfits tend to veer a bit "Duchess of Cambridge".... well maybe not quite so prim, but in that vein. So today I have a plum coloured fitted dress with a pleated detail and a black jacket over it. It looks smart, but not stylish. I don't really know how to lift up some of my very corporate outfits so that they have a sense of style rather than just looking well-put-together iykwim.

mrsthomasshe1by · 24/01/2018 09:34

Canters I feel the same, don't feel I have much useful to offer but the threads are so helpful.

Quirky i think what you say re body shape and making the most of your best bits is so true. My waist isn't much smaller than my hips, and I have a very flat bum, 'back with a crack' as it was once affectionately described Blush Grin. So despite being tall and slim, I look crapola in swimwear for example. Legs are probably my best bit. Hence I've just taken the plunge and ordered the rust version of your skirt Elle. It was in the sale with an extra 20% off so quite a bargain if I like it. Very excited and hoping it fits. Slightly worried that the low waist will accentuate my thick middle though....

quirkychick · 24/01/2018 10:22

mrsthomas I don't have much waist either, and certainly look quite up and down from the front. I often find wearing hip length tops makes my torso look longer in proportion, would that work with a lower waist skirt?

Talking of alpaca, I wore my oversize, grey marl, alpaca scarf against the wind this morning. It's so cosy and I've started wearing it with a leather jacket on milder winter days. It was a sale bargain from Celtic & Co quite a few years ago.

Proper Envy at your Inis Meann jumpers. I had a thing for fairisle jumpers last year, but the pattern across the shoulders and chest seems to do nothing for me.

botemp · 24/01/2018 12:34

Proper, proper Envy at your sweater collection here, too.

Thanks, AuldA, I'm sure I'll chance upon a Monoprix and have a look. The weather promises to be colder and colder, possible wet snow at the end of the week. So definitely lots of layers, I'm shite with them though as they're really uncomfortable when cycling (you basically end up overheating with thermals IME) so I only ever bother with them below freezing or if I'm in Scandinavia. Temperatures aren't that different to here though, and Paris isn't near any coastline so I doubt it's going to feel colder.

Sock, interestingly enough like Inis Meain, Le Tricoteur is really popular in Japan too.

I do sometimes wonder if people still actively buy white underwear. I've always had the option of nude (which I think is a more 'recent' staple colour) so have never seen the point of white, as it generally is visible underneath white regardless. Don't really like it as a colour on my body much either but I guess the opposite would be true for others. It just feels very bridal to me.

I think what's good about understanding your own body shape is that you stop looking at a model and seeing all the things you 'lack' when you may very well have the same shape but height and weight differences make that more difficult to see. The opposite is true too. If a model has very wide shoulders and you don't, depending on whether that fits her ok-ish or fantastic helps sort out what it will do for you.

I find the whole trend of exercising/weight training to get a specific body type really disconcerting, quirky. We can't retro-engineer ourselves into something we're genetically not, plenty cashing in on selling this dream regardless, unfortunately.

Proportionally and shape wise swimsuits are quite a complicated subject to tackle (from an aesthetic POV) as you pretty much have to reverse your thinking, as you're basically uncovering rather than predominantly covering. Think Justine did an interesting video on it but I thought some of the suggestions for body types weren't the best.

Elle, well if we are discussing more conservative office wear, can I just mention Christine Lagarde. Who I always feel really bad for discussing in terms of only style or fashion as it's probably the least impressive thing about her.

The woman beside her, Rachida Dati, was also interesting style-wise during the Sarkozy presidency when she was Minister of Justice. She was also pregnant at the time, although she insisted on wearing her toweringly high heels throughout so not sure how helpful that is as inspiration. She definitely has a harder edge around her (the leather blazer looks great against the bump IMO), where Lagarde can be a bit softer (except the signature hair) but has a lot of fun with flowier (but still structural) fabrics, scarves, and shoes.

I think it is difficult though as a lot of style images we have available to us are the bloggers (who rarely specialise in it and when they do often feel a bit DoC) and the Royals who are always a touch more dressed to occasion than business (although our Queen Maxima did use to work in finance and that will occasionally peek through). You have the odd silicon valley CEO/CFO or whatever but they're usually a bit dull. Ditto for politicians. Obviously, the style/fashion tastes of these women aren't of chief interest but the fact that women are so underrepresented in high ranking positions explain the scarcity of those images as well.

The Chloe blazer is working well for you though, isn't it? I think a work wardrobe is more challenging as you do have to take your environment into it far more than elsewhere. They don't call it power dressing for nothing, there needs to be space in the room to allow for it and you have to be comfortable taking that space.

I did see a Dries blazer online the other day that I thought would be great for you, but you did mention having shopped enough, so have kept shtum. Was also a size 36, not sure whether that's your size or not, but will look it up again if you like?

Bonne année, Parisiennes de Mamansnet! C'est Le nouveau thread full of nouveau ideés!
Bonne année, Parisiennes de Mamansnet! C'est Le nouveau thread full of nouveau ideés!
Bonne année, Parisiennes de Mamansnet! C'est Le nouveau thread full of nouveau ideés!
ProperLavs · 24/01/2018 13:23

My dad was a proper clothes snob. He was also about 6 foot 2 so all his jumpers are huge on me. I am trying to gently shrink them.

bo are you hiding to any particular shops in Paris?

I might have ordered a large number of merino jumpers from uniqlo.

Tank you all for cheering me up on these grotty winter days Flowers

AuldAlliance · 24/01/2018 13:26

Interesting pics, Botemps. I wanted to like Dati, but heard her on the radio several times when she was Justice Minister, and found her very snappy, not on top of her subject at all and quite unimpressive all round. Stylewise, I find her a bit sharp-edged and aggressive, IYKWIM.
Are you going to be in Paris at the end of this week? Watch out for the Seine.

I agree with you on body shape - it's taken me a long time to stop ordering clothes that look nice on a model/in a photo, and then sending them when I realise, predictably, that they can't possibly look any good on me.

I am also Envy of the jumper collections.

OCSockOrphanage · 24/01/2018 13:29

Okay, Mariannes... I need your advice and thoughts. The COS wide legs have arrived. Nice colour, pretty much on point for leg shape, but the 26 (the only option left after a dither) is a shade too comfortable/slouchy so not a total deal breaker especially at half price, but the rise is too high. I have a short body and boobage, so prefer low rise trousers and skirts. How feasible would it be to get that properly altered? I don't sew well enough to do it myself, so would have to get it done by the tailor.

I always use the laptop for MN rather than my phone, so the awful snap is not much use to show you the fit. (Terrible at selfies; it's being old.)

OCSockOrphanage · 24/01/2018 13:34

Auld, bootcut is definitely a good look on you. And yes, nude and black are most useful underwear colours.

OCSockOrphanage · 24/01/2018 13:38

Nice read here

ToElleWithIt · 24/01/2018 14:00

PrpoerLavs I'm envious of the jumpers from your Dad. Lucky you!

botemps Christine Lagarde is so impressive. Sometimes I adore her outfits and sometimes they are a bit fussy for me. I loved her blazer at Davos this week. I just googled Rachida Dati and there's some nice inspiration there. Love the jacket / coat in this picture.

You're right that Instagram and bloggers are very light on inspiration for work wear. I've often thought it could be an interesting niche, but I think in reality most people who could document their outfits in this style daily probably don't have the time to do it properly.

More interesting jackets might be a good start. I'd love a steer on that Dries blazer. Today's jacket is Dries, but I'm not sure most would identify it as such. It has very military-lite detailing. I could do with getting a bit braver. The Chloe one has got lots of wear already both with jeans and high boots and with a skirt and silk shirt for smarter days.

Hope the skirt fits MrsThomas

I sometimes like the look of a white bra being slightly visible under a white shirt, provided the bra in question is a nice one.

Bonne année, Parisiennes de Mamansnet! C'est Le nouveau thread full of nouveau ideés!
Bonne année, Parisiennes de Mamansnet! C'est Le nouveau thread full of nouveau ideés!
quirkychick · 24/01/2018 14:06

bo, I find it disconcerting too, I think the whole article was saying don't try and change who you are, it's going to be too hard work. I exercise to try to keep healthy and tone the body I have, not try to change it. Surely, it's much easier to learn to dress the body you have rather than over train to try to get a different one.

OCSock that article made me smile Smile. My red lipstick has been getting compliments, though I think the fact that I'm feeling more confident helps too.

botemp · 24/01/2018 15:00

Loads Proper Blush. I don't have a list as such though, I usually just add whatever new brand or shop I come across online throughout the year to my Google maps and then whatever arrondissement I'm in will look up what's around. I did contemplate creating a list of items to look out for but I'm going with a fuck it mentality and will just see what takes my fancy and I come across. I do have a list of French pharmacy things but that's just restocking.

AuldA, but I think that's sort of the tricky bit with corporate dressing and why I put the two opposites up. She was a Justice minister in Sarkozy's 'tough on crime' cabinet, and ethnically of 'non' French origin, and a woman. Displaying her sex flagrantly would actively be used against her in the media and it would hinder her job performance, regardless of whether she had the capacity for it. As so clearly demonstrated when she was pregnant, she was hounded for not revealing the father to ridiculous proportions. Though at the same time, I think psychologically it also helps to dress in what you're lacking (career politicians often don't make the best ministers), so if you're not all that authoritarian in manner (but need to exude it), dressing as such can aid in that regard.

On the other hand, Lagarde, in her current position, but most especially in her dealings with Greece and their financial crisis, it's very important for her to come across as fair, motherly almost. She'd often play up the fact that she was French, ie. solidarity within Southern Europe (whether it was the case or not). Thing is, she's sharp as a tack and can be quite a force to contend with. In her previous incarnations, she was much more suited up and less frivolous in her public wardrobe, a tad intimidating in places. Women, far more so than men, are scrutinised heavily for their choice in wardrobe and I think it's why many prefer to go 'safe' and nondescript as they just don't want to be a subject up for discussion when their public image is based on their job performance rather than their looks.

From Monday for the week, I don't want to bring wellies Sad. I don't think I own any, pretty sure I tossed them out the last time my feet shrunk. Thankfully the hotel is by the Champs Elysees which is slightly elevated.

Sock, if the waistband is the right circumference size at where you want the rise to sit, I think it shouldn't be too hard for a tailor to move it down.

Blazer is here, Elle, it has a nice long line and less of a heavy lapel but still has a good presence. Think they'd go well with the IM booties too.

The MFP blog posts are generally well balanced, I find, quirky. Which is a good thing since it's such a popular app. I do find it annoying as for years people with actual knowledge about exercise have been trying to get people to understand there's no such thing as spot training, yet all these fitspo models seem to manage it somehow Confused so either they're manipulating images or utilising something other than just exercise and diet to achieve this and raising unrealistic expectations.

Bonne année, Parisiennes de Mamansnet! C'est Le nouveau thread full of nouveau ideés!
ToElleWithIt · 24/01/2018 16:57

botemp Thanks - the blazer is gorgeous, but I checked my jacket and it's a 38. I don't fancy the thoughts of my shoulders in a 36. I can hear my purse breathing a sigh of relief!

Tanaqui · 24/01/2018 21:47

I quite like a set of white underwear because it looks so clean- and I don’t mind seeing a glimpse of white bra strap under a white top whereas nude I prefer to stay hidden.

My mum knitted me a lovely alpaca scarf and fingerless mitts, but I don’t wear it often as it is dark brown which doesn’t suit me. It’s lovely and soft though so perhaps I should try it with some other colours.

TheGrumpySquirrel · 24/01/2018 23:13

Jumping in quickly to say it's possible to change your body shape using heavy weight training. I know because I did it back in 2015/16. Not shrink really, but tighten everything up and add to the bits you'd like to add to, yes. Except maybe boobs Grin

TheGrumpySquirrel · 24/01/2018 23:17

I miss that body tbh but it was so much effort. Will add weights back to my routine post pregnancy though. Mainly I just do yoga, which is great but I find misses out the bum!

Love Christine's Davos jacket 👍🏼

cactusbutt · 25/01/2018 05:01

Grumpy, I'm training as a yoga teacher - I find the standing poses and backbends are great for bum-toning as they really force you to use those muscles. I do practice a rather ridiculous amount though.

I've taken the plunge and ordered a lovely box of basics from Everlane, including these rather fab red ballet flats. Will report back on quality.

Bonne année, Parisiennes de Mamansnet! C'est Le nouveau thread full of nouveau ideés!
ProperLavs · 25/01/2018 06:45

bo have lots of fun which ever way you decide to shop. let us know what the good ladies of Paris are wearing. I would love to be able to do stylish in the nasty damp cold we have here.

My body is definitely the most toned its ever been been and I don't use weights. I do hiit training.

I started watching the Spiral the other day. I can't believe I've not done so before. It's fab. I loved The Bridge, The Killing and Wallander etc. I haven't seen any style icons yet but am loving the Gaelic shrugging!

quirkychick · 25/01/2018 07:13

Another one who does yoga and walking, mostly. I'm trying to get back to doing some weights/resistance exercises after having flu in dec. I'm sure you can change your body shape, but I'm not sure it's a very healthy attitude to work so hard against your genetics rather than with them.

Tanaqui maybe you need to play with combining your scarf and mitts with colours that look great on you, brown is quite neutral would look good with black, grey, navy, brights...

janetheimpaler · 25/01/2018 09:26

Bo, you can buy aran sweaters in tourist shops/at the airport.Try Blarney woolen mills, Avoca, Kilkenny Design shop, for online shopping. I had a friend in college, long ago, who used to mix traditional Irish clothes eg. aran, mohair, tweed with cropped hair and punk clothes and it was absolutely stunning. Last year Penneys did a donegal tweed blazer for men for E100.

OverinaFlash · 25/01/2018 10:07

I do walking, yoga, running and Jillian Michaels, I'm not sure if my body has changed, but I just find I like my body more when I'm active, so I like my clothes better. For me it's mainly psychological.

I saw the most amazingly styled woman on my walk to work this morning, she had a beigey tweedish coat on, but with a funnel collar, and undone. Her hair was tied up, but you could tell she had wavy/curly hair, but it was behaving and not sticky up or on her face. Really subtle make up, lovely neutral dark dress, and neutral light scarf. Gorgeous!

botemp · 25/01/2018 11:29

You can tack on muscle but it looks very different and it's rarely done in complete isolation, you can mimic the shape but you can't alter the underlying bone structure which determines body shape predominantly. Muscles project out differently than fat, clothes won't sit the same. In the extremes, you can see that in professional athletes, they struggle greatly with 'normal' clothes as it just isn't made with them in mind.

This was an interesting read on the 'ideal' female body shape, unfortunately, the exhibition is in NYC. Did make me think that the you can change your body shape narrative, isn't that far of a corset 2.0.

Love the idea of the red flats for the autumn season I hope I'm getting my southern hemisphere seasons right

Thanks, jane, Blarney looks very promising.

I've never gotten on with yoga, but love pilates (on the machinery, the mat work I find a tad dull). Also, do HIIT and kettlebell training. Plus a lot of cycling although I don't really count that. Have been toying with the idea of trying Yoga Barre as it's supposed to be a mix of yoga, pilates, and ballet. Has anyone tried that by any chance the yoga component is putting me off?

OCSockOrphanage · 25/01/2018 12:27

Humpfff... another pair of jeans to return because they are too big. However, this time it's an exchange, because the colour and shape are great and the rise is perfect. Plus returns are free, so nothing is lost. It will just take patience as new orders are not being despatched until end February.

You must all be dying of boredom with this saga. Vanity sizing has made online buying a minefield. Off to Oxford next week to visit DMum and Uniqlo so will hope to try on their new U range which goes on sale tomorrow. That would be the cheap solution. Then I will either take the COS wide legs to the tailor or return.

TheOtherGirl · 25/01/2018 12:47

Just as an aside. I am currently stumped as to whether I'm a cool or warm blonde? My hair is ashy blonde (part natural, part hi lites). Eyes are a grey/blue. Naturally darkish eyebrows and black lashes. Skin is fair, with quite a bit of pink, but I tan well and easily + the veins in my wrist are neither blue (cool) or green (warm). They are a bluey-green Hmm

It's really frustrating.

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