Wide fitting shoes for dd (Size 5)

[SirVixofVixHall]

I've posted on this before, but nothing mentioned worked for her, so I'm posting again in hope of some new suggestion.
DD is 11, she is an adult size 5 H, probably creeping up to a five and a half. Since size 4 it has been incredibly difficult to find shoes to fit her. I have no local shoes shop other than a small Clarks and they have nothing that works. We tried the nearest city (Cardiff), but other than a bigger Clarks there didn't seem to be anything. She is too young for adult styles, but childrens styles seem to stop at around a size 3. She is very skinny but has really wide feet (H fitting) with a high instep, and has been referred to a podiatrist as I'm concerned that she may be developing bunions (which I am really worried about, esp as I have always been very careful to get her suitable shoes). This means she really can't have a shoe with a more pointed or almond shaped toe, as so many of the shoes in the teen ranges have. She has a pair of shoes for school, the Startrite "Samba" www.startriteshoes.com/samba-black-leather-girls-riptape-school-shoes they fit her well, but they are the only style they do that does, and she really doesn't want to wear them out of school. So I need to find shoes that are suitable for her age, but are wide enough and natural-foot shaped. Not trainers. Smaller daughter is a size 1, but I will have the same problem with her in a few years.
In my old post someone suggested DMs, but they have the wrong shaped toe and are too rigid for her. I have the same feet and DMs don't work on me either, they aren't wide enough. Ditto Kickers (too shallow). I am really stuck! I've spent hour upon hour browsing online, but to no avail . At the moment she is borrowing my brogues, but they are not ideal for her.

Ted and Muffy (were Duo) do wide fit shoes but they probably are a bit adult.

Have you ever just taken her to a TK Maxx and tried on everything in a 5? They have such a massive brand range.

Sorry I haven't checked the thread for days as we have had a family bereavement. Thanks for all the suggestions. I like the shape of the red or dead sandals, but wonder if they will look too clompy on an 11 year old. I also looked at them on ebay too, and they may not be wide enough. Am going to buy a pair to check.

Sorry to hear of family bereavement sirvix. Only just seen your thread. Not sure if you have checked out m&s? I have had plain black pump styles from there in a wide fitting. Very comfy and not too grown up.

DD had wider than EEEE due to toe walking from 9 months (she's now 12, had the op and walks with a heel strike, for the first time ever.)

I've managed to get her into shoes from "Yours" which were wide enough and (most importantly) looked cool enough for a 12 year old.

She also had the red or dead T bars which she loved.

Funny enough now she's no longer walking tip toed her feet have begun to narrow and she's started borrowing my shoes and trainers, even though I'm so uncool

She knows she'll never get into converse or vans, (so mine are safe) but at least she can wear pretty ones!

Just wanted to add Rocket Dogs canvas shoes are really wide too.

Well we had the appointment with the podiatrist today. She agrees that dd looks as though she is developing bunions, she feels that the problem is an over-flexible ankle, she is ordering footbed inserts to go into dds shoes, and has said she needs to wear very supportive shoes, e.g. lace ups, with good ankle support to hold her feet in the correct postition, for as much of the time as possible. I am even more stressed about it now, as getting shoes that are deep enough is difficult as it is, without having to allow for the insert. I showed her the Startrite Samba style she has been wearing for school, and she felt it was ok generally but a lace-up would be better. She is making another appointment with a paediatric podiatrist, and I have to take all of dds shoes along to that, it will not be for another 6/8 weeks. She did suggest a shoe shop roughly an hour away, so we will try and go there asap.

Hello! My friends little boy has wide feet and she swears by See Kai Run. There's an independent stockist near us, but not sure what other shops sell them. May be worth a try! Good luck :-)

Thank you but See Kai Run are just for littlies, they don't do shoes for children over an age 8. Also I think they are a US firm, so their shoes won't be as wide as a wide-fitting UK or Euro brand. (US shoes are narrower).

I'm so embarrassed. I saw size 5 on there and got excited to be able to possibly help. I'm so sorry! Good luck!!

Oh gosh please don't feel embarrassed, I am grateful for everyone who suggests something, even if it isn't right. The problem isn't the width per se, it is the width/depth combined with her now being what counts as a woman's size shoe. I am actually thinking with the real problem of possible bunions, we may need to take her to get made to measure shoes, which will be a huge amount of money, and of course may not even be possible as she might grow out of them before they are even made, given the time delay.

Sounds grim OP, I was that child before wide fitting shoes become more available. I hated shoe shopping with a passion.
Hotter has been mentioned several times up thread, there is a shop in 'diff and website is good, they are not all fugly.

Also have bought from m and s foot glove range in the past.

Have you tried Superfit? www.superfit.at/en/dealer-search There are a couple of shops selling them around Cardiff. Some also sold on Amazon - though this can be a bit hit and miss.

DD has exactly the same issue - high instep and v wide feet. She also has straight across toes. One of the ladies in our fab local independent store (which is the only place I can get shoes for DD) said that if the shoe design does not have wide fittings it would be an idea (and not foot ruining) to look at shoes 1/2 to 1 size up - because in essence DD has "Short Toes". If her toes were more in proportion to her feet (ie longer) then she would measure the next size (or half size) up. So that may help you - look half a size up. Then the width of the widest part of the shoe fits where the widest part of her foot it. IYSWIM. Hope that makes sense?

Anyway, We have always, always had success with Superfit for DD. May be worth looking at other German brands too - or an independent store that sells them. From memory Reiker were good for DS when he was smaller (wide feet have evened out a bit now). They also do removable insoles in some styles so orthotics can be inserted. www.rieker.co.uk/remonte-ladies-c63/remonte-shoes-c92/remonte-casual-shoes-c95/remonte-d4626-31-p5180

A bit left field, but have you got a really big M&S near you?

Their women's shoes come in a range of sizes and fittings and their children's shoes go well up past a size 5.

Newlook do a wide range

Vans and supergra have a wide fit. They were the only two brands of trainers I could wear when I was heavily pregnant, as my feet had swollen quite badly.

Superga/vans not really what we need. I wear Supergas and dd does fit them, ish, they ideally would be wider though. She could wear them for the odd day in Summer, but the problem is that she needs proper shoes, rather than plimsoles. Spartacus I will look at the links you suggest. The podiatrisk was clear that it would be very bad for her feet to size up lengthways though, apparently where the shoe flexes/bends as she walks is crucial, it should flex absolutely at her toe joint. If a shoe is too long, then her feet tend to slide forwards for a start, which is bad, but also the shoe will flex at the wrong point on her foot, which will make her toe joint worse apparently, as her feet try to compensate. I've been told to bend shoes, and measure the point at which they bend, compared to her foot, with a ruler, and if it differs then the shoe isn't appropriate for her. So complicated!!

IWasSpartacus - Just looked at Superfit, they all seem to be trainers? Also when i click on the wide option nothing comes up at all, I wonder if I'm doing something wrong there? Will go look at the other link

DD, H fitting and high instep too, does not need Superfit wide fitting. Si do not be swayed by only looking at wide iyswim

I have wide feet & high instep and live in low boots in winter and Sketcher 'fit flop' type footwear in summer.
If I need to buy a proper pair of shoes I go for M&S wide fit or Clarks. Or I go up a half or full size.
If you can get to Clarks in St David's Centre they will order in shoes for her to try without you having to pay first
Choose online then go to the shop.

New Look and ASOS both do wide fit.

New Balance are excellent for wide fit trainers.

I have very high arches, although not wide feet, with overly flexible ankles which has resulted in a chronically unstable and damaged ankle since I was 12. My parents got permission from school so I could wear smart black trainers instead of normal school shoes etc as trainers provided the best support. If the issue is with buying school shoes, this may be an option?

I've been into a big Clarks, and also looked at everything they have online, and/or tried them by ordering online. Zilch. Same probs as with Startrite, in that they do very few styles for size 5 girls, and even fewer in a truly wide fit. Those that they do, don't have the right shaped toe-box. I've ordered her some womens sandals from Clarks in the sale, as they have a strappy front but a supportive heel. They will arrive tomorrow so we'll see if they fit. There aren't any shoes that look ok though. The podiatrist said she needed to be in shoes this Summer as much as possible, rather than sandals, but we only have one pair of shoes at the moment, (she's just grown out of her school ones, which would look grim with a Summer dress anyway). If they fit then I think they will be ok for the odd day here and there as they have more heel support than regular sandals.

www.clarks.co.uk/c/girls-age-9-to-12#pagesize-is-40-and-fit-is-h-and-Size-is-5 These are the shoes and trainers Clarks do in her size, although an H may not be wide enough anyway. They all have too pointed a toe, especially the shoes.

Have you tried jelly egg in Narberth?