So when does Estee lauder Advanced Night Repair actually start working?

[consumersucker]

Hello

I'm almost 30 and over the past year or so, I've really noticed my skin has started to age......quite rapidly and so I thought I should start upping my skin care routine.

I've been using Olay Regenerist serum and moisturiser with spf 30 for a couple of years now, but thought maybe I should start using night cream. I heard about the ANR and it got really good reviews. I heard they give out free samples, so I went to a Estee Lauder counter and got one. I got about 3 nights use out of it and yeah, I could definitely see a difference and then I was kind of locked in, so I ordered a bottle, which I was excited about receiving. Anyway, I've been using that for about a week now and my skin has gone back to normal Is this normal? Does it go up and down? Or am I using it wrong?

I don't put anything over the top, as I was told this would be enough to use on it's own. I use about 3 big blobs of it and massage it in for about 20 or 30 seconds. No idea really if I'm doing it right, but I would have thought this was ok.

So how has everyone else got on with ANR?

[madmomma]

No not tried that clinique one ronald what's the texture like?

[rollonthesummer]

Has anyone tried this?

www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B004D267JO/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE&tag=mumsnet&ascsubtag=mnforum-21

[BlodynRose]

As others have said no cream permanently changes your skin, its all just an illusion.
I found that the best things for my skin are lots of sleep whenever I can grab it, lots of fruit, veg and salad and meat and eating lots of natural fats. Low fat diets are the worst for your skin and age it very quickly.
I don't really bother with moisturisers but if I do its a bit of coconut oil. I do face exercises to reverse the aging process and tighten the face muscles. I know everyone is different and we all age differently but this is what has worked for me. I don't have many lines at all and my skin gets lots of compliments which is lovely. Im early 50s by the way. O and smile lots. The best anti ager ever!!!

[consumersucker]

Dfg, this is exactly what happened to me! I thought it was brilliant for the first couple of days with the sample. I woke up and looked in the mirror and actually though I looked ok without make up, which is normally the first thing I think needs doing But the morning after I tried the bought stuff in the bottle, I didn't see a difference at all. Like I mentioned, it's been about a week now, so I don't really know whether to carry on with it for a couple more weeks, or abandon and get a refund.

I think what puts me off the whole fillers thing, is the idea that if it did work, I would want an annual top up, which just doesn't sit well with me. I could be having them for the next 30 or 40 years! El, I know you say that the body absorbs it, but again, I don't really like the sound of that. How natural can it really be if it has such an effect? Also, do you know what happened to Leslie Ash? Was it fillers that she had, or botox? Why did that go so wrong for her? I always have that image of her when I think about going down the filler route. Felt so sorry for her.

[squoosh]

I think Leslie Ash unknowingly had liquid silicone instead of collagen injected into her lips. And it's set in such a way that it can't be removed.

Highlights the importance of choosing VERY carefully who performs these procedures on you.

[specialsubject]

wow, babble central in some of these posts. The facts:

no anti-wrinkle cream makes any difference - all in the mind. Look at the wording; 'helps reduce the appearance of fine lines'. Legal speak for 'does nothing'.

what does reduce wrinkles? Botox (highly toxic, IMNSHO anyone who uses it for anything other than medical reasons is bonkers). Fillers. Not smoking. No excessive sun. Eating properly. Good genes. Not smiling or frowning.

SPFs are not carcinogenic. Excessive sun exposure can be.

all the creams are the same, some smell nicer, are in posher packaging, have paid a more expensive celeb to lie endorse them. They can make your face feel more comfortable, no harm in that.

[Floisme]

Vain as I am (and believe me, I am) I think it's unrealistic not to expect to look older as you get um ... older. Yes to moisturising and avoiding the sun and cigarettes but expensive creams? Waste of money, in my opinion.

Botox and fillers might work as a quick fix and I'm not knocking anyone who tries them. But ageing is relentless and wrinkles are a just a small part of it. If you embark on treatments like that at 30, what will you do when you're 50 and sagging face and jowls set in?

[DrNick]

i think it was Bonsoir who suggested new research is showing overuse of suncream is bad.
her H is in that trade

[lurkingaround]

Retin A does reverse the signs of ageing. It is prescription only, altho I have seen people here buy it on ebay.
The problem is that it is very irritant to some, causing peeling and redness. There are many OTC products containing retinol and the like but these will not work as dependably (or at all) as Retin A.
Here is an nytimes article that explains a bit fairly well.

[Floisme]

Retin A isn't a cosmetic though, is it? It's a drug. There's a big difference, surely?

[josephinebornapart]

Creams cannot reverse ageing.
They can plump up the upper layers of the dermis so it looks as if he wrinkles have gone a little.

Retinol can remove layers of skin - which is why it burns- so that wrinkles are shallower.

Fillers and Botox at 30 is plain bonkers. If you look old at 30 then the likelihood is you have abused your skin with sun, alcohol and fags. Oh and crap food.

A little tweak maybe in your 50s and 60s, with an expert touch, maybe.

[squoosh]

I really don't buy the idea of 'preventative botox'.

[lurkingaround]

No, Retin A isn't a cosmetic. I mention it in relation to reversing the signs of ageing, which it does and is proven to do.

Botox can be preventative. If you don't/never frown you won't get '11s', and, so yes, Botox is preventative if you keep using it. It's the same for the other forehead muscles.

[squoosh]

I've read of doctors saying the exact opposite, that the premature use of botox can actually be ageing.

[LittleBabyPigsus]

The idea that wrinkles are horrendous things to be avoided at all cost is the real bollocks tbh. Why not, you know, embrace the wrinkles?

[lurkingaround]

It is very unusual for Botox to cause wrinkles. If you use it for many years, it will cause the muscle to get weaker and smaller from disuse. So theoretically it may 'change' a face because the supporting structures (the muscle) is weaker. For the vast majority of people Botox is preventative.

[lurkingaround]

I don't like my wrinkles and I wish like LittleBabyPigsus says, we could change our attitude to wrinkles.

[josephinebornapart]

If you use Botox as a preventative, then you are paralysing your muscles. This means your face will be frozen and expressionless.
Is this a good look?

[Floisme]

Mumsnetters are obsessed with wrinkles but honestly, they are not the worst sign of ageing! In fact, you will look pretty ridiculous with a smooth forehead once all the other stuff sets in.

[consumersucker]

Not really sure what to believe. I hate the idea of being ripped off. I don't believe that creams can get rid of wrinkles and I never did and I am great believer in 'prevention is better than the cure'. However, it wasn't really wrinkles( apart from those lines I've mentioned grrrr) that I was worried about. I mainly just wanted a bit more of a glow and also to help slow down the aging, if at all possible. I'm pretty sure though that at some stage I will be going down the filler route. I could do with it now, but at not even 30, I feel it could very much turn into a slippery slope for me. Ie, I think I'd get that 'fixed' and then I'd see all my other 'imperfections' and possibly want those sorting out too. I don't want to become obsessed with my looks, I just want a bit of a boost.

[pixiegumboot]

I've not read the full thread but my answer is never. Its shit.

[FuckyNell]

I'll use anything that claims to make my face look less like a bagos.

[lurkingaround]

Then consumer, SPF is your friend. It will definitely slow down the ageing process. Take some Vit D too (to replace what you're not getting from the sun, I'mopening up a whole 'nother discussion aren't I).

I know what you mean about the 'glow'. A moisturiser with glycolic acid would help that. (I think someone upthread linked one). Or some glycolic acid facials or microdermabrasion.

[josephinebornapart]

Look- at 29 you are in your prime.
If you can't be happy with what you see in the mirror now then you never will be.

I wasn't even giving wrinkles and ageing a moment's thought at 29.

You sound a bit obsessed- sorry.

[consumersucker]

Lurking, I've just started taking vit D 3. I was told it was really good for your skin, but haven't noticed a difference. But then, as you say, it's more for what you're not getting when your protecting your skin from the sun. I think the ANR has glycolic acid in it doesn't it? Has anyone had microdermabrasion? Was thinking this would be a little too harsh for my skin.