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Issues at handover-what can we do?

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warofthemonstertrucks · 05/09/2022 15:29

Background: I got together with DP after his divorce (I was not involved in their marriage break up which was due to his ex wife's Affair, for which she has taken responsibility) DP's divorce was not amicable. His ex wife made a lot of false allegations if abuse and drug addiction against him (which were proven to false) and as a result he was awarded 50/50 custody of his two children under 10 during a recent family court hearing. (Her proposal had been that DP see the children 4 nights a month and this was dismissed in court after cafcass report/drug testing etc found that he was a good parent and not guilty of any thing he had been accused of)
We had hoped that this would be the end of the animosity and constant struggling with her but this has proved not to be the case. She was told in court in no uncertain terms that she must communicate better, be more responsible as a Co parent and stop bad mouthing DP to the children and to anyone else who will listen. They have equal legal responsibility for the Children and should make all decisions jointly.
She has broken the court order (which is only two months old) in numerous ways already, attempting to enrol them in new schools without DP's consent, failing to provide information about their health etc etc....
These are all ongoing problems but the biggest issue currently is that her new partner is incredibly aggressive and belligerent, ranging from emailing us to tell us he 'sees the children as his own' and that 'he will make decisions about them when they are at their house' to constantly calling and messaging the children when they are with us, threatening to come to our house to 'have things out with us' when we have asked the ex wife to abide by the court order and on two previous occasions attempting to start a fight with DP in the street (once outside family court).
Yesterday evening during drop off in the appointed neutral car park he exited his car and began shouting at DP (who had just got back in to our car with my children). He began approaching the vehicle so DP got out as did one on my children (they at first thought something was wrong with one of DP's kids who we had just dropped off). He began abusing DP and then one of my kids.
We could hear DP's kids crying from
His car as they were obviously frightened.

I had been buying milk in the local shop and came back to see this happening-I asked him to stop shouting in front of all the kids and then asked the ex wife to please stop him-which she refused to do. A passer by then tried to intervene telIing the boyfriend to calm down so I took the opportunity to usher DP and my child back in to our car and we drove away.

The whole thing was awful as we were all a bit shaken by it.

We obvs have pick ups and drop offs to contend with for the foreseeable and tbh I'm quite intimidated and worried about how these are now going to go.

What if anything can we do? Emergency court order to ask that he not be present at handovers? Is that even possible? And it will take months I assume as the family court is so back logged.

We can't have any of our children witnessing this sort of thing on a regular basis-DP's kids in particular are already so muddled and distressed due to their Mums portrayal of DP to them- and this kind of thing will just make it ten times worse.

Has anyone any experience of this?

The whole thing was awful. We have logged the incident with the police.

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warofthemonstertrucks · 05/09/2022 16:49

Yep we have just been very naive there I think as I guess normal people wouldn't think of stopping children attending a parents wedding and we just wrongly assumed she wouldn't stoop that low.

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RedWingBoots · 05/09/2022 16:57

No you haven't been niave you just keep thinking you are dealing with someone reasonable who will put their children's needs before their own.

Everytime my DP thought his ex would be reasonable I had to pull him up over it and remind him she wasn't reasonable, and vice versa.

She is now starting to act more reasonable but this is due to a combination of factors particularly SC age, the fact DP doesn't volunteer information and DP never asks to swap dates.

weekendninja · 05/09/2022 16:58

My DP has a high-conflict ex.

He tells her the bare minimum regarding everything. Days out/theatre trips/weekends away have all been ruined because she didn't want them to go.

My experience is this goes on and on. It's just awful on the kids. I went through a period of time thinking she would change but unfortunately she hasn't and I don't believe ever will. I'm sorry you're going through this too.

RandomMess · 05/09/2022 17:14

Relocate handovers to outside a police station or at least somewhere with CCTV.

MeridianB · 05/09/2022 19:38

No you haven't been niave you just keep thinking you are dealing with someone reasonable who will put their children's needs before their own.

This in spades. It’s great that you’re an open, optimistic person. Don’t change that. But the ex has now shown you over and over and over again that she is prepared to stop at nothing to make your lives hell.

She made false allegations about DH, has repeatedly put her bitterness way ahead of what is best for her children and now brings the verbally and physically violent new partner front and centre, regardless of who is upset. It can’t get much worse.

I’m not suggesting you demonise her as an ex but please at least view her as someone who will actively use every means she can to make your lives horrible. Share nothing. Be super private. Tell the DSCs nothing unless and until they need to know.

Next steps? Some good advice on here from PPs about diarising every single violation of the court order plus any new evidence that would be relevant for a return to court. Call police if the new BF squares up. Meanwhile, back to court for wedding date and as many days before and after that you need, removal of BF from all handovers and a big update on ex’s parental alienation/emotional abuse of the children.

Wishing you good luck.🌺

GrumpyPanda · 05/09/2022 19:48

Get a restraining order against the partner?

warofthemonstertrucks · 06/09/2022 06:01

Thanks all
Appointment with our solicitor made.Just have to steal ourselves for todays pick up and hope for the best.

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loudlylikealion · 06/09/2022 06:25

Good luck. The stepdad sounds weirdly possessive.

DooLallyy · 06/09/2022 08:14

We've experienced similar issues in the past, on one occasion the ex's DP started threatened to beat DH up whilst he was carrying his DD. He's a classy guy 🙄
No real advice other than just hold your head up high and don't rise to it. We found ignoring the abuse works best, don't respond to the emails or messages. Any face to face conflict - just walk away.
At one point DH changed his number and didn't give it to his ex but she just got it out of DSD's phone, we moved house and didn't give her our new address but then she turned up at our house kicking off about something, she'd tracked our address by an app on the kids phones.

lots of good legal advice on here, we never went down the legal route (wish we had) due to a combination of no money and DH had lost all confidence due to the ex being a narcissist cow.

I would also say for your own sake try and stay out of it as much as possible, it used to really bother me, especially when the ex would say things about me, when I'd tried my best to give DSC a really nice weekend but then she'd kick off that I'd gone wrong somewhere and my efforts weren't good enough. It hurt. But I made the decision to disengage, it's not my battle to fight, and things have been much better ever since. I still support DH but I don't feel responsible for the issues which arise.

HairyKitty · 06/09/2022 08:20

If the ex wife/partner contact by phone when they are at yours is “too much” I think this can also go on the court order. I don’t know what counts as too much though.
If you start keeping a record of everything esp contacts with the partner, I think you would have more evidence and be better placed for eg that he can’t contact them when they are with you, or he can’t be present during handover.

KosherDill · 06/09/2022 08:34

Can the handovers be changed to the car park of a police station?

Those poor kids.

ihatethefuckingmuffin · 06/09/2022 08:46

I would also do a Claire and Sarah law check with the police about the partner tbh.

It’s disruptive to everyone but I would also call the social service department in their area due to the emotional abuse. Although hopefully the police will have already sent a report.

Could the change overs happen at a contact centre?

If not somewhere cctv heavy like a supermarket carpark?

MeridianB · 06/09/2022 10:40

I would also do a Claire and Sarah law check with the police about the partner tbh.

This is a good ides. Because if he behaves likes this in a relatively new relationship, in front of children and in public then he is bound to have 'previous'.

The restraining order is also worth exploring.

warofthemonstertrucks · 06/09/2022 15:06

We haven't heard back from the police since the statements were given on Sunday. I'm
Going to chase them up this afternoon as I feel it would at least be helpful to have a crime ref number (no idea what for, i just want some record).
I will ask about Claire's/Sarah's law then-it's something that had crossed my mind.

The phone thing is weird As traditionally the ex wife has failed to facilate phone calls when they are with her. We bought the older child a phone for his birthday and this was also suggested by court to free up communications. That was the first thing the boyfriend kicked off about-said they wouldn't be allowing the phone in their house as it was bad for the child etc etc. they confiscated it and only gave it back when then kids were coming to us. And yet he messaged the child on it sometimes 10 times a day when they are at ours. It's quite strange. We have no interest in stopping them messaging the boys and the messages are all fine and harmless. But the older boy does seem to get a bit anxious if he feels he hasn't replied quick enough so it's just an extra problem for everyone to deal with.

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warofthemonstertrucks · 06/09/2022 15:07

I don't think he can have too much previous as he works in a job where he has to deal with the public on their own at times so I assume he would have needed a DBS check. But who knows?

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warofthemonstertrucks · 06/09/2022 15:08

Handovers are already in a supermarket car park but not sure if the cctv covers the whole thing, or just the front bit.
Will check at handover today

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loudlylikealion · 06/09/2022 20:22

KosherDill · 06/09/2022 08:34

Can the handovers be changed to the car park of a police station?

Those poor kids.

Good shout

loudlylikealion · 06/09/2022 20:23

warofthemonstertrucks · 06/09/2022 15:08

Handovers are already in a supermarket car park but not sure if the cctv covers the whole thing, or just the front bit.
Will check at handover today

Poor kids. Well done for doing what you can.

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