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DSS telling other children I'm his mum

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Joojoonuts · 27/11/2021 22:28

So DSC came to live with us full time a couple of months ago after years of chaos living with their mother who has mental health issues. They experienced a lot of trauma and confusion prior to social services finally deciding to put them into our care however they have settled in extremely well and it almost feels like they've been living with us full time forever as other than the expected chaos of suddenly having 3 more children around the house, it has felt so easy and natural having them there all the time.

The children still see their mum fortnightly however they don't mention her very often when they are with us although are happy to go visit her. She doesn't do very much with them. Social work had a number of concerns regarding their wellbeing in her care and one of these was that they were very isolated and she would lock herself and them indoors for weeks on end and they would not attend school or see anyone outside their household during this time.

This week I took the youngest to soft play. He's 5. While he was playing with other kids twice I heard/saw him point to me and say, "that's my mum". No one appeared to have asked who i was or anything so he said this quite randomly both times.

DSS knows I'm not his mum and I know that despite everything that they've experienced he really loves his actual mum so don't think it's wishful thinking but I'm not sure what this is about or what's the best way to approach it. The most likely thing i can think of is that he has never been able to say, "that's my mum" before as she has rarely taken him to anything for him to be able to do that, or maybe he just didn't know how else to refer to me.

I'm not sure what's the best thing to do now. If DP or I should speak to him in a careful way about it, or if we should just leave it for now. I don't want him to feel rejected by me bringing it up as if i don't want him to call me that (not that I do want him to call me that, but I'm just thinking in the eyes of child it may seem that way) and I don't know if by mentioning it then we'd just be making a bigger deal out of it than is necessary but on the other hand I know it would have a severe impact on his mum's mental health, and could affect her behaviour for the worse, if she ever heard him refer to me as mum so I'd be scared not to address it and for this to be something she ever hears or finds out about if he was to say it at other times. A big part of her isolation of her and the children was caused by extreme paranoia which she suffers from, she will very easily believe that people are lying to her or out to get her and I've no doubt that if she heard this it would send her mind into overdrive and I'd be worried about what would result from that.

We've never really spoken about me being a stepmum to him, and maybe he's too young to know much about the concept of a stepmum so what if rather than a proper 'talk' about him calling me mum, we just slipped into conversation about me being his stepmum and maybe an explanation of what this is? Or do we need a proper discussion specifically about him calling me mum? Or given everything they've gone through and that he's still trying to get to grips with it all are we best just not to say anything for now?

OP posts:
R0tational · 28/11/2021 05:45

Out of interest... how did their dad let the situation get to this point? Has been trying to get them in his care for a while? Sorry, I dont mean to cast dispersions (or whatever the phrase is), I am just wondering how your life sounds so stable and theirs so ... sad.

Good luck . Glad the kids are OK and enjoying softplay and normality, what a relief for them.

Kanaloa · 28/11/2021 06:01

@R0tational

Out of interest... how did their dad let the situation get to this point? Has been trying to get them in his care for a while? Sorry, I dont mean to cast dispersions (or whatever the phrase is), I am just wondering how your life sounds so stable and theirs so ... sad.

Good luck . Glad the kids are OK and enjoying softplay and normality, what a relief for them.

OP says in her opening post ‘finally social services put them in our care.’ From that I presume they were actually fighting to have the children in their care, not just sitting around enjoying themselves. Often social services will try really hard to support the mother/parent to keep their kids with them before removing them.
Joojoonuts · 28/11/2021 07:54

Out of interest... how did their dad let the situation get to this point? Has been trying to get them in his care for a while? Sorry, I dont mean to cast dispersions (or whatever the phrase is), I am just wondering how your life sounds so stable and theirs so ... sad.

Initially we didn't realise just how bad things were and part of the isolations were that she would also block DP from seeing them, so they literally saw no one. So right at the very beginning (about 2 years ago) he was just trying to get the care order enforced so he could see his kids as he thought she just wasn't allowing him to see them and didn't know that they weren't actually seeing anybody. After a couple of months it became clear what they were living with as through his lawyer's enquiries we discovered that their neighbours and some of her friends had been putting in concerns to social work, which DP had not been made aware of by social work. I think due to the nature of the isolation, and with it happening at the time of covid, it was very easy for social work to excuse them being shut away and then as a result they missed a lot of what was going on. Then after that there were odd times where DP was allowed to see them and was allowed in the house and he started to see some of the issues and then he started the process for residency but it took a lot longer than it should have done with what they were living in as she wouldn't turn up to court hearings so they would be repeatedly postponed. She also wouldn't allow social workers into the house to do court ordered reports. At the beginning of it all I actually posted on here (under a different name) for advice and some posters didn't actually believe what I was saying was happening as they couldn't believe that social work would allow them to continue living in that but they did. What I've said here is just the tip of the iceberg, some of the things they've had to experience and witness were just awful and we still don't know the full extent of it as we are only finding out things in dribs and drabs from the kids now they're here. It's clear they've spent a long time hiding her behaviours to others and they know it wasn't normal but were scared for people to find out (she would tell them that they couldn't trust anybody and that's why they couldn't let anybody in their house as people were out to hurt them). We only just discovered a few days ago that neighbours would drop off food parcels and toys at the door for the kids (DP used to do this too but we didn't know others could so obviously see how bad things were that they were also doing this).

Thank you for all the supportive replies. We will definitely not say anything to him about it. The main focus right now is to make sure that they feel safe and secure here and in themselves.

OP posts:
sunnyandshare · 28/11/2021 08:03

Just to say you sound so lovely OP Flowers

Imissmoominmama · 28/11/2021 08:08

I always called my step father Dad- still do at 55. He calls me his little girl still too. I have a father, but I didn’t live with him, so Dad was Dad.

A good step parent is priceless; thank you for being that for yours.

Imissmoominmama · 28/11/2021 08:12

Just to say also- I really needed my dad to be Dad. For normality and to feel loved and wanted.

In the same way, my son knows he’s adopted and has a life story book. He also knows that I am open to talk to him about his birth parents at any time, but he doesn’t want to. It’s in his hands- I’d never force it, but I remind him very occasionally that the conversations are there if he wants them. He’s 21.

Nowomenaroundeh · 28/11/2021 12:42

Oh wow my heart is breaking. Poor little boy. He's lucky to have you. I echo the others and glad you've decided not to say anything. He's taking an opportunity to be able to point at his mum in the playground like the other kids.

HunkyPunk · 28/11/2021 13:11

I think that even 5 year olds can have amazing insight about their family situation. I really wouldn’t imagine that he will refer to you as Mum in the presence of his mother, even if he wants to call you Mum day-to-day. He will know on some level, I’m sure, that she would find it upsetting. Children in dysfunctional home environments often develop coping strategies beyond their years, which can include a heightened emotional intelligence and awareness/avoidance of what might de-stabilise the well-being of (who was in this case) their main carer.

GreenLunchBox · 28/11/2021 15:56

@Nowomenaroundeh

Oh wow my heart is breaking. Poor little boy. He's lucky to have you. I echo the others and glad you've decided not to say anything. He's taking an opportunity to be able to point at his mum in the playground like the other kids.
Me too. Made me feel desperately sad for that little boy and others like him. Sounds like OP is giving him a nice settled life now Smile
Onceuponatimethen · 28/11/2021 16:35

@HunkyPunk I think you are so right. Something on another thread made me look back at the very sad Ellie Butler murder case recently and I noticed the comments of her younger sibling who can’t have been more than 4. She was recorded as saying that “mummy and daddy’s house was a bad house” Sad Even at that young age she was totally aware that what was happening in that house was not right.

Simonjt · 28/11/2021 18:45

He is only very little, so while traumatic what has happened will also be confusing.

I think it is quite common, even in children who haven’t suffered trauma.

My son (6), sometimes calls my husband Dad, I did discover that he still refers to me as Daddy or Dad at school, but calls my husband Daddy ‘Dave’. Interestingly the school said he had never mentioned my partner and just suddenly started calling him Daddy ‘Dave’, its hard to get in his head, but he probably didn’t know what to call him as just ‘Dave’ is a name rather than a title, everyone at school knows what Daddy means, they don’t know what ‘Dave’ means.

Children are more likely to have a mum compared to a dad, so he may have felt more different by not having a mum to talk about as such as he doesn’t see her very often.

RedWingBoots · 29/11/2021 10:21

I think it is quite common, even in children who haven’t suffered trauma.

It is common.

Especially in situations where you can't be bothered to tell people that person is a step-parent. (To be fair I've been called "mum" by some of my nephews and nieces friends as well as SC and their friends. )

Why bother explaining to people that someone who treats you well and you are clearly close to isn't your legal parent? The only reason to explain to it to them is if they are/going to be a long term friend and then you clearly tell the person what you call them.

In families where there are clear boundaries on what step-parents are called so adults freak out if a child mistakenly calls a step-parent "mum" or "dad", it then breaks down if the SC ends up having a child and the step-parent still has a close relationship with the SC. That step-parent is then "granny", "grand pa" etc and their name is only added when a biological grandparent is around. I noticed one of my friends kids doing this around the age of 3.

uneffingbelievable · 30/11/2021 20:24

Op - he wants to fit in. All his new friends have a mum and dad - no qualifications - they just are. ( probably not completely true in reality but at 5 he does not see that)

You sound lovely - he will know and in his head it is working its way round. Leave him to it and he will settle where he wants to be.

Good Luck - sounds like these kids are safe, loved and now able to overcome their traumatic start in life.

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