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AIBU to expect to be told...

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Gettingmeback · 23/06/2014 08:14

That my DSD will be with us full time for the next month? DH told me today and DSD comes tomorrow. We have 50/50 and her mum is going on holiday for 4 weeks so she is staying with us. DH says 'I forgot' which to give you some history is not a one off but a regular occurrence. I don't have an issue with DSD staying, we have a good relationship but I do enjoy my time when it's just us. We don't have any DC other than DSD. We both work full time but DH works shift work so I do a lot of looking after DSD. AIBU to ask that I be included in discussions? DHs DM will help up but she has been aware of this for ages.

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Thumbwitch · 23/06/2014 17:59

Getting - I think you going to the info night, and the further point about the 3 months' training, will be the perfect opening for you to open discussions about his access.

YOu could start with "Of course if you're away for 3m solid, you won't be able to see your DD in that time, her mum will have to have her for 3m entirely by herself unless your Mum takes her for a bit - there's no point her coming to ours if you're not there". Then when he has a fit about it (he will) just remind him that he is her parent, and the access he has is for him to see her, not you. Also remind him that while you love your DSD (do you?) that she is not your responsibility - and then you can neatly segue into how you really wish that he would remember to include you in discussions about when he has DSD over and above the already agreed arrangements, because if he continues to just dump her on you as default child care, then your relationship will suffer, as he is showing zero respect for you, your time, your life and your thoughts on the matter.

Or something like that. But you need to be firm, clear, polite and definite about it. Any woolliness and he'll just continue to walk all over you with regards to this situation.

Gettingmeback · 24/06/2014 01:56

The course is 3 months. There would be some time away from home, a couple of weeks I think. The rest of it could be any day of the week 8 to 4 pm but it's a good hour drive from our home so he'd have to leave by 6.30am ish and home by 5.30/6pm.

He's apologised profusely today. Says he knows he's stuffed up and is scared that I might feel different about him at how much he's disappointed me. Says he needs to get his shit together and it's his job to fix it, not mine. He is genuine, he's a good person. But how do we fix it? I've lost trust in him.

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Thumbwitch · 24/06/2014 03:54

Well there is really only one way and that is going to take time - he's really going to have to pull his shit together, as he says, and never make this mistake again. If anything, he'd be wise to over do it to start - check everything with you re. his DD, just to make sure.

Also, you have to want to fix it - do you think you have lost too much faith in him? Or are you prepared to give him another chance to rectify the situation? Either way, open and honest communication between you is now the way forward - and if he can't do it, then you have to decide how much you can put up with and if it's worth it to you.

Gettingmeback · 24/06/2014 04:04

Thanks Thumb. I do want to fix it because I love him. Like you say, it will take time and a huge commitment from him to communicate. And it can't happen again because I'm at breaking point.

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Thumbwitch · 24/06/2014 04:18

Up to you as well but it might be an idea to gently prompt him sometimes, if it's been a while and he has't mentioned anything about anything - then maybe just ask if there's anything he should be mentioning? But it's up to you entirely - you shouldn't have to take that on.

Elizabeth120914 · 24/06/2014 06:05

That's good news glad he's realised just a shame what uve had to go through to get there .. Realising is 90% of it my OH doesn't get it which is infuriating!!

If u love him you will work it out in time. I would do what Thumbwitch says and micro manage him for a while. I think as a step parent this does happen a lot as men know something won't go down well they think it's easier to 'not mention it'.

I found out on Sunday that MIL had been to Dsds play when we all weren't going on that night because ex asked us not too.. I found out from Dsd as he hadn't told me. Cue eye rolling! Not a big deal but I think it's fairly common.

Fingers crossed u can move forwards now.

Petal02 · 24/06/2014 09:24

That's really good if he realises he's messed up. Has he made any comments about access while he's away on his training course?

Gettingmeback · 24/06/2014 10:12

No he hasn't mentioned it specifically. Just that he knows his DD is his responsibility and he knows he doesn't communicate properly. He says he feels like he's trying to juggle everyone's needs and constantly stuffing it up. TBH, I don't see a lot of my needs being juggled. Seems to me everyone gets their needs met and I get shafted. But maybe I just don't see it. I haven't spoken to him much today. I'm still really upset and angry and can't really look at him.

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DapSlash · 24/06/2014 10:23

Seems to me everyone gets their needs met and I get shafted

Lol. Never has the role of step mum been summed up so succinctly :)

Petal02 · 24/06/2014 10:35

So whilst it’s good that he recognises his latest ‘lapse of judgement’ wasn’t a good idea, he’s still being rather vague about moving forward, which would concern me. He may articulate that he acknowledges DSD is his responsibility, but there’s a big gap between saying the words and taking appropriate action. I’d take him more seriously if he’d commented that he needs to speak to ex about his forthcoming training course, and its impact on access.

I completely empathise with your sentiments that he appears to meet everyone else’s needs except yours. It’s like the ex wants to dispense with DSD as often as possible, so she gets her needs met; he wants to have DSD over as often as possible (regardless of whether he’s around or not), and he also gets his needs met. I don’t see any evidence of him asking what your needs are, let alone taking any steps to meet them.

My DH often used to say he walked a very difficult line trying to keep everyone happy. But IMO his main concern was keeping the ex and DSS happy. He’d far rather risk a huge showdown with me, than say ‘no’ to the other two. I never understand why a man risks causing huge ructions with his new wife just to keep the ex-wife happy – but then a man’s relationship with a non-resident child is one of the most complicated, emotive relationships I’ve ever encountered.

I think it’s quite ironic to refer to a step family as a blended family, because in reality very little blending goes on – it’s generally about keeping the ‘first family’ happy at all costs. I used to think that divorced men were frequently guilty of turning their backs on the ‘first family’ when the ‘second family’ came along, but more often than not, it’s the ‘second family’ who end up being the poor relation.

Gettingmeback · 24/06/2014 11:03

I think that's why I am still upset and angry. I have a feeling he thinks that moving forward, he would let me know what he's planned, but that still doesn't involve asking me what I think. I've told him I'm not going to be his babysitter for the next month. I think there needs to be consequences or I won't achieve any change.

I don't know why they do it. I would have thought that living with an upset and angry wife would be worse than an angry ex gf. Apparently not. TBH, I feel like there are a lot of people in my marriage, and I'm not one of them.

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catsmother · 24/06/2014 11:18

Ditto everything Petal said. IME, what I found so dreadfully upsetting and insulting was that while DP readily acknowledged his ex was a vile spiteful bitch (and if anyone reading that wants to judge me - fine, go ahead - you don't know her and what she's done but I do) he would at the same time do all he could to appease her and keep her "on side". Anything so she didn't disrupt/contact any further .... yet even though it soon became evident that no matter how much he lay down and invited her to wipe her feet all over him, it didn't make a jot of difference and she still messed about, told dreadful whopping lies and played the stepkids as pawns. So really, what was the point in kow-towing to her ?

On the other hand, as his partner, who, in theory, he actually wanted to be with .... well, it was okay to upset me, cause me inconvenience and spend money we didn't have (meeting ex's demands) and which could have been spent in a 1001 different ways on our home and standard of living.

As a result I feel I have effectively been "firefighting" for more than a decade - anticipating how he'd react to ex and/or stepkid demands and manipulation and trying to see that off at the pass by establishing how we were going to approach a given situation before it happened so that hopefully ground rules - which were fair to everyone rather than those who shouted loudest - were already in place. Of course, living like that is bloody exhausting but I know if I didn't remain alert then there's a very good chance DP would give in to so much more unfair stuff just for the sake of a "quiet life" (so effing what if his ex sounds off at him?!?) and maintaining contact (not that giving in makes much if any difference). And obviously, I can't see into the future more's the pity and stuff happens all the time where there's not much I can do about it.

It's very very hard and I admit I carry a lot of resentment for all the consideration he's shown to the extremely unpleasant ex (and stepkids when they've been equally unreasonable). Bottom line, if you can't rely upon your partner to consider the effect on everyone concerned before he makes unilateral decisions and if you feel that you're almost an afterthought - because his 1st thought is how not to "rock the boat" - then it does huge damage to your relationship - and I honestly don't know if it ever recovers properly, even when stepkids become adults. We're more or less at that stage now and there's still sh*t going on in various ways .... contrary to what I used to naiively think about how refreshing it'd be once they "grew up" and the ex's influence became less strong (DP also used to wistfully imagine the same thing).

OP ..... it is good that you've had some acknowledgement from your DH but I'd remain cautious for now. I can't help wondering if he's sensed how absolutely peed off you are this time and it's his attempt at damage limitation. One way he could show you he was taking your feelings seriously would be if he sorted out this whole month of "extra" SD for a start - recognise that without notice and without agreement there's no way you should be expected to cover off the additional childcare needed. If he hasn't done anything about that, and is not planning to within the next couple of days I'd be very sceptical about his depth of regret. If he is serious about moving forward with more fairness and respect I wonder if he'd consider counselling with you ? ..... you'd soon find out whether he was genuine or if he was just paying lip service to your (understandable) complaints. It might also strike a chord if a third party was able to convey to him - or help him to see - how unfair his attitude is. I wish we could have had counselling because I think it would have helped immensely but we've never been able to afford it (due in no small part to the financial pressure caused by ex - and I'm not talking about child maintenance before anyone has a go but about stuff like her moving 2.5 hrs away and refusing to share driving, or her never sending clothes etc.) Oh the irony.

Thumbwitch · 24/06/2014 11:24

I suspect that the reason they are more keen to accommodate the whims of the ex is so that she doesn't create issues with contact, which is of course a complete arse for the current wife, but does make sense (however unfair).

Thumbwitch · 24/06/2014 11:29

Sorry, xposted! Catsmother's post wasn't showing when I typed mine.

Gettingmeback · 24/06/2014 11:29

Petal I do worry about the resentment never going away. And slowly eating away at anything good. I think if he can start being inclusive of my needs, I can let the past go. But it will need to be a pretty substantial overhaul of current behaviour. As for the next month, I have told him I won't be doing it so he will have to sort it out. Because I have said this I won't know if he would have suggested it himself. I intend to stick to my guns and not bail him out.

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Gettingmeback · 24/06/2014 11:30

Whoops I meant Catsmother

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Gettingmeback · 24/06/2014 11:36

Thumb, that is what I don't understand. The ex doesn't cause any problems with access, she can't wait to offload her DD. That is what he finds difficult. I think she pressures him to have his DD a lot more than he is able. But if he says no and upsets her, it doesn't impact on his access and I can't really see the big deal.

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Thumbwitch · 24/06/2014 11:40

Ok, that doesn't make sense either then. He just CBA to make compromises with her then, so just dumps it on you as a fait accompli so he doesn't have to go back and forth. Lazy.

Petal02 · 24/06/2014 11:50

It was the same with us, in that DH was terrified of rocking the boat with the ex, but we both knew from experience that she wouldn't stop or reduce contact, quite the opposite in fact (DH often said "I daren't piss her off, or we could end up with DSS for the next few consecutive weekends"). He seemed to forget that he always had the option of saying "no".

Gettingmeback · 24/06/2014 11:54

Yes lazy. I guess I will see if I am important enough to him that he steps out of his 'comfort' zone of dealing with things or not dealing with them really He has said today that I am the most important person in his life and it's me he should be trying to look out for and make happy. Let's see if he really knows what that means and if he's capable of it. I have realised lately his words often don't match his actions.

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Petal02 · 24/06/2014 12:03

Catsmother I completely understand comment about having to remain ‘on alert’ . I used feel that unless I kept a very close eye on the situation, the ex would increase her demands by stealth, and that DH would appease her, he wouldn’t tell me (deceit by omission), and then I’d be met with a fait accompli, ie DSS arriving on Thursday for a “surprise” access weekend. And of course once he’d arrived at our house, what could I do? It is indeed a very exhausting way to live; I used to eaves drop on conversations, and the only time I ever snooped on DH’s phone was to see if he’d arranged extra access. In fact it often felt like rather pathetic game of cat and mouse – DH and the ex were almost in cahoots about DSS being at our house as much as possible, and my remit was to preserve my position by catching them out before they got chance to executive their plans.

Not a healthy way to live.

Gettingmeback · 24/06/2014 12:19

I don't want to live like that either, but I do see myself engaging in some of the behaviours you both describe and trying to cut things off at the pass before they eventuate. TBH though, I think I will lose my attraction to my DH if we have to live like that. I have done things like plan weekends away with girlfriends when I've discovered snooped and got confirmation of a gut feeling he's arranged DSD stay with us without discussion.

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Elizabeth120914 · 24/06/2014 12:24

I totally sympathise.. Ex would dump dsd with us forever if she got the chance although not officially as she would loose her benefit money..!!

We get the same thing we agree for one day and then we have plans for the next day and guess what for some reason dsd doesn't go back and ends up with us an extra day and what can I say take your daughter home? Or an 'emergency' call out to work and guess who gets stuck!

OH and I fight about nothing else ever and for some reason when she's here he's different and will be far more snappy with me the result being such lovely happy times!!

It seems quite a universal problem. Good on you saying no i always end up backing down as I feel like a bad person/ guilty.. The worst part is you sacrifice your own happiness for the child like the parent should when both bio parents get what they want!!

I think it's quite ironic. My dsd will want to be with me rather than OH when she comes round too so the laugh is she's coming to see me. I get to look after her, have the crap when he falls out with the ex, and the crap when I say I've had enough of it all the time.. It does make me laugh when people on here attack some of us really aren't bad people but in a terrible position! You can be very fond of the child too BUT iTS NOT YOURS so why is it bad to want to see your OH alone sometimes??!!

Gettingmeback · 24/06/2014 12:35

Yes we don't fight about anything else either. But I do notice that the more resentment I feel, the more I find it difficult to enjoy our time that we do have together. Our sex life will be non existent for the next month because for some reason, I don't feel comfortable when DSD is here. Paper thin walls, but I also just don't feel like it. That will lead to more tension and arguments I'm guessing like I care at the moment

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catsmother · 24/06/2014 13:24

Hmmm, his attitude is a bit odd if contact isn't at stake as that's what normally drives men to creep round an unreasonable ex. I wonder if there's an element of "face saving" going on ? .... what I mean is, for example, my DP sets great store in being seen as a "good dad". As I touched on above he really laps up the praise he gets from colleagues when he tells them he's had his kids for "extra" time above "normal" contact. Now, I'm not in your situation, because they live too far away for me to ever be placed in a position where I'd have needed to cover childcare while DP was at work as they'd have needed to go to school (but if they hadn't moved, I suspect I might have been pressured to help as you've been) but I've noticed there's definitely this tendency for some people to over praise DP as if, because he's a man, he's going above and beyond the call of duty for looking after his own kids! Frustratingly, it's often women in particular who do this. In your case, maybe your DH likes to give a similar impression so readily accepts extra contact as he then gets all the plaudits without actually having to do much of the additional work required. I also wondered if maybe he's being influenced by his mum - either because she shares his old fashioned view that childcare (for a child who isn't yours) is your job and/or because if SD is at your house, she (MIL) gets to see her more easily ?

Either that, or he is literally too lazy to be bothered to look into alternative childcare options.

As you say, the sex thing is very relevant. What woman feels turned on if she's taken for granted and treated like a drudge whose feelings don't matter - and can then automatically switch into sexy siren mode when required ? To be extremely blunt, you kind of end up thinking "well, I'm alright for a shag, but I'm not good enough to be treated with respect as an equal adult at other times". Doesn't make you feel very good does it ?

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