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Dsd playing mum and dad against each other

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Malificentmaud · 03/05/2014 04:58

Dsds mum is volatile. DH isn't innocent. I think they are both quick to, and happy to, believe the others shortcomings so dsd is very able to throw a grenade then stand back and watch while the attention is taken from her and her behaviour and they fight. Weirdly she will then say she hates when they fight and put her in the middle Blush

So the latest one is that mum puts money in to her school lunch account for dsd to cover "her" days and expects DH to cover the cost of lunch on "his" days. Fine.

He gives dsd 150 pocket money a month and tells her that if she won't accept the packed lunch that we offer her, she has to use her pocket money to pay for something else.

But she doesn't.. She uses the money in the lunch account that mum has given meaning it is swallowed up on dad days.

Mum is fuming with DH. Dsd has told her our lunches are horrible and we have nothing that she likes. We've asked her so many times to provide a list of acceptable lunchbox foods but she tells us she wont take a packed lunch.

Mum used to do packed lunch but now pays for dinners because dsd nagged her to.

So, what can we do to stop dsd doing this? And how can we convince her mum that DH is not being feckless or tight and most importantly stop the angry calls and texts ConfusedConfused

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Malificentmaud · 03/05/2014 16:12

It is sad, but it's the way it is with her. She's been raised to believe that dad is just good for money. Mum is planning for them both to move abroad as soon as dsd is out of maintenance age.

I think money on the card is a good idea. Dsd could put money on herself but she most likely won't do that.

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prawnypoos · 03/05/2014 17:32

I feel for you, it's frustrating it really is.

You feel like an outsider looking in on the whole situation and seeing how fundamentally wrong it all is. He may think he is doing his DD a big favour but really he isn't, is he?

She is be

prawnypoos · 03/05/2014 17:34

I feel for you, it's frustrating it really is.

You feel like an outsider looking in on the whole situation and seeing how fundamentally wrong it all is. He may think he is doing his DD a big favour but really he isn't, is he?

She is being Mollycoddled and being allowed to manipulate the two most important 'adult figures' in her life! And she can see how easy it is, frustratingly for you. I agree with previous poster who said deduct the dinner money amount from her pocket money and put it in her account. If she doesn't like it tell her to get a job to make up the difference!!

mathanxiety · 03/05/2014 18:23

Apart from contributing to this preference to believe what dsd says when she runs her mum down. Which mum does visa versa.

I know what has led dsd to know she can play them off against each other but not sure how to make her stop. He knows this one is dsd's doing and has done the "talk to the hand" thing but mum can't seem to accept that dsd has caused this and so come the angry calls and texts. DH is now very wise to what dsd is up to and how her claims about what mum does or says are largely untrue.

He needs to make much more of an effort to disengage. It doesn't matter that the mum does the same as he does. Can you not see that the tit for tat is what this whole stupid thing consists of? He does/ she does/ he says/ she says -- and on and on and on..

It doesn't matter who 'caused' this. That language belongs in the playground.

It is up to the alleged adults here to grow up and start behaving themselves, and showing the DSD how adults behave. She has terribly poor models on all sides right now. She needs at least one set of adults in her life to behave like grown ups.

How to make her stop playing them against each other is for your DH to stop allowing himself to be played. You can only be played by a 15 yo if you allow it. It takes two to make a running fight over something stupid like school lunches and how they are paid for. It takes two to contribute to the dynamic of a 15 year old playing two alleged adults against each other. Two immature dickheads.

It doesn't matter what she says about the packed lunches, or what the mum believes. It doesn't matter that the mum thinks your H is feckless or tight. It doesn't matter that the DSD 'caused' this.

Stop wishing mum was different. She isn't. You and DH have to get imaginative, and most of all you have to disengage from the relationship with the mum. You can only control what happens in your own home, in your own heads and your own hearts.

This is not a fight between your H and the mum unless your H chooses to make it so. What he needs to do is be a better parent to the DSD, and he can do this by growing up, putting his relationship with the DSD first and not using it in a guerrilla war against his ex.

Your H is a dick because he refuses to do something simple that would make the mother's efforts with the DD easier, and chooses to do something else. Why won't he just do it?

It would solve the problem of the mum being on your case if he just did as asked. Would it kill him to do this? What point of principle is he trying to prove here?

Put the money in the school lunch account and stop pandering to the DSD and her efforts to create drama. Find other ways to give her the attention she craves. You need to figure out why DSD is behaving as she is, and accept that her dad is playing a big role here, and figure out how to stop the merry go round. He needs to show her that dad is good for more than money, and stop feeling sorry for himself and playing his 'I'm the Victim of the Wicked Ex' script in his head.

I would suggest giving a reasonable amount of pocket money, taking the school lunch cost out of it.

What do the two of them do together at visitation time?
What interests do they share?
What activities does the DSD do where the DH can cheer her on?

mathanxiety · 03/05/2014 18:25

He also needs to stop the 'I'm the Victim of Wicked DD' script.

Malificentmaud · 03/05/2014 18:57

Sorry maths, really appreciate the long post and advice but that's not the point. He hasn't said he wouldn't put some of the money in the account. That is a fairly obvious solution but not one we'd really thought of until everyone here said it Smile I think that is what he will do.

It wasn't really the obvious solution because that money has been ring fenced in dsd and mums minds as "fun" money so they won't be happy by this move.

Mum was suggesting extra money be put in for lunches. It might sound petty to say no but an extra fiver a week for lunches because she's too much of a princess to have the lunches the rest of us have is a bit of a piss take

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prawnypoos · 03/05/2014 22:19

I would put my foot down at that. An extra fiver her and an extra fiver there soon adds up especially on top of the ridiculous amount of money DP is already paying out.

They need to be seen as a united front otherwise she will continue to take the piss! She sounds very spoilt to me.

mathanxiety · 03/05/2014 22:30

Lots of teens have to put up with things their parents feel are for the best. Lots of parents simply block their ex's numbers from their phones or assign a certain email address for them so they do not have to deal with the constant drama. Some parents take a stand and either go to court or get a solicitor to write a letter advising the harassing party to back off.

Some go the sensible way of family mediation.

Your DH needs to stop being a wuss. He needs to subtract the money from the £150. How big a fuss is anyone going to make, seriously, over £20 for food that still leaves the DD with a whopping £130 per month for fripperies and outings.

It doesn't matter that you think she's being a princess over lunch choices. Get over it. Maybe all her friends think it's not cool to bring a packed lunch. Teenagers can be odd like that. There is an alternative - the school lunch, or the school shop. If she wont use her £150 to pay for school lunch then it needs to be ring fenced as her mum has managed to do. Flip her the bird if she complains about the reduction in pocket money.

The DSD is doing this for attention and she is succeeding. You all need to come up with ways to give her attention that doesn't involve petty drama. You also need to figure out a way to show her that relationships are not all about money and drama. This will be hard when relationships here seem to revolve around money and drama, so I think your DH needs to start thinking of himself as a parent, not Victim, and not cash cow.

Malificentmaud · 04/05/2014 05:30

Yes he's been trying to do that a long time but sadly he has been just a cash cow since dsd was born and it's a tough attitude to stop. They will complain and dsd will almost certainly follow with a few weeks or months with no contact. She's a very damaged child. In the middle of all of this there's been another argument where he refused to do something completely inappropriate and unreasonable and she stormed off giving him the finger so we won't see her for a few weeks now.

But as DH has realised before, he can't be held hostage so now we have a solution of sorts to the lunch problem that is what he'll do and I'll just have to support him when he's doubting his decision. I'm so looking forward to the phone calls of "so you'd rather lose your daughter over £5 a week???AngryAngryAngry"

Maybe it does make him a wuss that he cares but none of this is easy.

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doziedoozie · 04/05/2014 06:55

I'm so looking forward to the phone calls of "so you'd rather lose your daughter over £5 a week???

She is older now, can't he have a heart to heart with her where he pours out his heart, or maybe that's a bit strong, but assures her he will always love her and will always be there for her but if she chooses to stay away from him for whatever reason that is her decision, that it will break his heart but he wants her to be happy etc etc .

Find it hard that a DD can be deliberately spiteful to a DF and wipe him out of his life over dinner money, unless she believes you are the instigator of the problem. Perhaps DF could have a meal with her somewhere nice every week where they discuss everything.

She should be choosing her own meal whatever that is, at that age imo.

Malificentmaud · 04/05/2014 08:29

It's a nice thought dozie, but he tried something like that... The meal will get more and more elaborate and the expectations will get higher and higher until he has to say no, then she'll flit again

It's called parental alienation. It doesn't matter how tiny his "misdemeanour", every now and again dsds guilt over coming here will get too much and she'll look for a fight with him so she can go back to mum for a while. This is what mum wants, but mum will also use it to show DH up for being tight and uncaring and tell him he should have never upset dsd by refusing what ever the thing is. There's nothing he can do but some things he can just about minimise... Hence the large sum of pocket money which serves to keep her here pretty much.

It's not that she thinks it's down to me. She actually has more time and respect for me than her dad. I think. Although that's complicated.

Anyhow. I think we've solved the lunch thing so thanks for the suggestions! Grin

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doziedoozie · 04/05/2014 09:14

Thanks for that explanation Malificent, now I understand. A family member is now a new step parent and it all seems a depressing minefield, and very difficult not to 'side' with your relation.

You sound very knowledgable, are there any books you could recommend which explain the relationship dynamics (like parental alienation), every relationship in the new family(s) just seems to be a major stress for everyone involved. Many advice books seem aimed at parents of small DCs and aren't as relevant .

Malificentmaud · 04/05/2014 09:23

There's a really good blog by a person called Karen Woodhall. I don't always agree with her as she can come across as quite "pro father" or anti feminist at times which I personally don't agree with but her experiences and advice regards parental alienation is spot on.

The hard thing is what to do once you understand what's happening. If you try to counteract what the other parent is saying and don't time it just right, you are on shaky ground. There's a DVD called "come back Pluto" that we let dsd watch a couple of years ago but it didn't have any effect sadly.

Sometimes she says things that show she has worked her mum out but then after a while it slips back to how it was before. Hmm

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doziedoozie · 04/05/2014 09:33

Great, thanks.

alita7 · 04/05/2014 11:27

Im going to talk about the real problem here as im sure lunch money issues are just a symptom of the problem.

to me it sounds like your dsd is doing what most girls do at her age, or at least I did, she's learning/ learnt how to be manipulative from somewhere, in my case in was my mother, and is pushing her luck with it.
The problem is when I did it I knew when to stop, if a parent got upset or I could see I was pushing too far then I would feel guilty and stop. It was usually my dad worrying mum would be mad if we got home from the super market and he'd got me too many unescessaries.

But my parents live/d together and your dsd has lots more to play with, she can push and push your dp because she knows he feels bad for not being there, and ultimately she can choose not to see him. equally she could ask to move in with you if she wanted to get at her mum. She's got so much leverage and unfortunately it sounds like she's so wound up in what she wants that she's failing to notice when she's hurting people.

your dp needs to have a conversation like the one described below. But I think he needs to take a risk andsay he knows what she's doing and it needs to stop. If when he explains what will happen with lunches, she says she won't see him, then get him to tell her that he won't pay for lunches during that time and pocket money can be reduced to £5- 10 a week if she is going to act like a young child she will be given less pocket money like a young child.
her mum may kick off but he's paying csa money, nothing she can do, explain that this is dsds punishment for manipulating and when she grows up and decides to apologise to you both and make an effort to stop this and stop holding her self ransom then she will get her pocket money back with the lunch deduction.

Malificentmaud · 04/05/2014 12:45

I agree but sadly I have suggested this before and he has done it and lost her for six months... He was so depressed and I felt guilty for suggesting it in the first place. We actually ended up separating and he had a mini breakdown - such was the effect of losing his only dd Sad

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alita7 · 04/05/2014 13:07

as horrid as that sounds the only way to get her to break the cycle is to be firm or she will learn what to do to get what she wants she knows the affect it had on him when she wouldn't see him before and knows that to threaten it is a sure and fast way to get what she wants . If she doesn't get the money when she's not seeing him she probably will come running back. He could write her a letter if he can't do it to her face, it would also mean that if she told her mum, she could see that letter and there would be no way she could twist what was said to her for her mum.

mathanxiety · 05/05/2014 05:15

Your DH is playing the game by the DSD's rules.

'The meal will get more and more elaborate and the expectations will get higher and higher until he has to say no, then she'll flit again'
How is he letting meals become more and more elaborate?

'Emotional Blackmail' by Susan Forward might help, but this is not a book about changing the other person. It is just as much about the response to manipulation, and retraining both yourself and the manipulator.

Malificentmaud · 05/05/2014 19:29

He fell in to "dating" her when it happened before. He wouldn't do it now. It was a horrible time. He should have been stronger but wasn't. He's learned a lot and I'm really proud of how he handles most things now but it's constant mind games and manipulation. I honestly can't say what I'd do if I thought I could "win" back a child I was losing.

That looks like a good read there maths.. I'll show him. It won't make him wise to my tricks though will it Wink (joke!!)

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mathanxiety · 05/05/2014 19:33
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