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NicoB · 20/06/2011 16:39

Earlier this year I agreed to move into my partner's house, together with my son (nearly 14). Not an easy decision as DS is about to go into Year 10 and is at a grammar school at the moment, but won't be should we move 80 miles away. My partner does not have any children of his own.

I am writing because DS's future stepfather has issues with the behaviour of DS that we cannot seem to resolve. I, in turn, have issues with my partner's behaviour, particularly towards my son. Probably not much of a surprise!

My partner says that DS's back-chat is the worst thing and I agree with him on that - have never disputed it. However, it is getting better and he does get disciplined over it. He also thinks he spends too much time gaming, which is also probably true, though I do try to restrict it. Perhaps because he's an only child I let it go more, as he spends a lot of time talking on his X-Box to his friends. As an only child myself, I remember how lonely and isolating it sometimes was.

My partner tells me my son is "disturbed" and needs counselling, something I don't agree with. Yes, DS was upset at the marriage break-up (at age 7) and has been constantly disappointed by his natural father, but has pretty much come to terms with it now. He also sees his dad regularly, despite the fact that he isn't a particularly good role model. Ex-DH spends too much time in the pub, smoking, not doing much with our son and is hugely in debt, but DS loves him and wants to see him. I have asked DS about counselling several times, but he is adamant that he doesn't want to speak to anyone. At almost 14 I think he can make that decision. Besides, my father is a doctor and he doesn't seem to think there is a problem. Anyway, I just wanted to give a brief outline, so it gives a more balanced background to our tale of woe.

My partner is adamant that it will be 'his rules in his house' where my son's behaviour affects him. Fine - in essence. However, I want the right of veto if necessary, i.e, if I don't consider his rules to be fair and just. My partner constantly watches my son like a hawk and 'pounces' on him if he does something that he considers wrong. This could be something as trivial as DS resting his hand on the back of a kitchen chair ("Get your sticky fingers off my furniture!") even if he's just washed them, or for just accidentally jogging the kitchen table. It's like we're treading on eggshells for much of the time and it's not relaxing for anybody. I don't consider getting into trouble for something like that fine, or just, it's just nit-picking for the sake of it.

My partner doesn't seem to understand that a partnership is just that, i.e. we each get a say, otherwise it's just a dictatorship. However, I would have absolutely no problem with reasonable rules and would happily back my partner.

Whilst I accept his comments and concerns, there has to be some compromise and negotiation surely? He told me, "Any man who has to SUFFER a child will not allow you a veto. On what grounds, that he came out of your womb????"

So what do others think? Is my request for veto reasonable or unreasonable?

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theredhen · 21/06/2011 12:17

As a single Mum for many years and a step Mum, I can see both sides. I too have an only child, a boy of a similar age. He too spends time gaming and back chats sometimes. All perfectly normal behaviour for a child of that age.

None of us are perfect and this is how an emotional abuser can wield some power. When we make natural mistakes or show negative emotions, an abuser can pick up on it and point out that we are wrong and we made a mistake. Someone who constantly does this will erode your (and your son's) self esteem.

DP and I have had several issues since I moved in with him and his children who live with us a third of the time. I struggle with his kids behaviour and I can feel the tendency in me to critisise rather than praise them. The difference is that I bite my tongue and try and detach a little bit and do my best to look for the positive traits in them and also understand that we are all different and that their parenting both in and out of my home has an effect on their behaviour.

I've had a couple of issues with DP and his attitude towards my DS and I made it very, very clear that I would not tolerate jealousy from him towards DS and that I am his parent and I will bring him up to be respectful of DP and our home. If DP doesn't trust me to do that, then he shouldn't be with me. There have been no issues on that score since and DP and DS have an acceptable relationship. It's not a father / son relationship but they can communicate positively together and DP lets me do the parenting of DS.

As a well educated man, your DP should understand the importance of your son's grammar school education. Please don't move him out of school at this time, he will already be having a very stressful time. I suspect your DP would like to see your DS fail to "prove" he is right. I think your DP is jealous of your DS. He is trying to point out his faults to you, so you will love him less and think more of DP. It's actually pretty basic stuff but just because your DP is an educationally intelligent man, this doesn't mean he is emotionally intelligent. How many times have you heard someone say that someone is "bright" but without common sense?

His statement on "suffering" a child is truly unbelievable and shows no understanding at all about the love and bond you will have for your son. There is a saying "love me, love my child" which I don't necessariliy agree with but if he loves you, he should be able to SUPPORT you in bringing up your son in a positive and loving way.

You know that this man isn't right for your son, if you live with him, you will become a nervous wreck and your son will lose a good education and more importantly his respect for you if you let this man treat your son this way.

NicoB · 21/06/2011 14:44

Theredhen, I so agree with what you are saying. I think he's utterly jealous of DS. After all, it stops me loving DP and only DP. As far as I am concerned, it is a different type of love for each, it's not competitive and they are both equally important. That said, of course you sometimes have to put the needs of your child first, but that doesn't 'downgrade' how you feel about/treat your partner. DP seems to think he always comes 2nd, which just isn't true. If it was I wouldn't have gone out with him for so long!

I'd long suspected that he points out DS's faults to me so I will love him less and DP more, but it's such an upsetting thing to even suspect about your partner, that you almost don't want to face it. The latest suggestion is for DS to go and live with ex-DH, yet this is the man DP is so dismissive of as a poor role model (and he is - we agree on that). It's heartbreaking that DP is so selfish and needy that he would even think of asking me to 'sacrifice' my son for him; also downright disturbing.

You're right about him wanting to see DS fail because it would then prove him right. It would also have the added bonus of showing me up for the awful mother I am - even better!

No, DP has no idea of the bond between a parent and child. He seems to think it's down to some kind of unreasonable "blind loyalty", but then he was adopted so perhaps not so odd for him to think that way, I don't know? After all, in his eyes, just because a child comes from someone's womb, it doesn't mean there should be anything special between them! On several occasions he's asked me to tell him 'what I get out of having my son?' I've refused to answer as it's hugely insulting, but he doesn't even understand why I would think that.

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allnewtaketwo · 21/06/2011 14:49

"On several occasions he's asked me to tell him 'what I get out of having my son?'"

OP he sounds completely deranged. Why are you with him?

twooter · 21/06/2011 14:58

I take it you are going to split up? He really doesn't sound worthy of having you and ds in his life.

Pictish · 21/06/2011 15:02

NicoB - plainly speaking, your DP is an utter horror. He is nasty, selfish, peevish, antagonistic, jealous and by the sounds of it, a bit deranged as well.

Run woman - run to the hills!!

Pictish · 21/06/2011 15:03

He asks you to tell him what you get out of having your son??!!

Words fail me. How disgusting.

Pictish · 21/06/2011 15:04

Please tell us you are getting the hell out of there!!

allnewtaketwo · 21/06/2011 15:31

OP I'm actually now really worried about your DS and feel so sorry for him. But you seem to factually describe the behaviour of your DP without any real insight/thought/address to how this will all impact on your child. Like you're almost detached from the situation and it is inevitable

Pictish · 21/06/2011 16:16

I agree Allnew.

I'm sorry to sound harsh here OP, but I would go so far as to say that if you DON'T remove your son from this man's company ENTIRELY, then you will be failing him as a parent.

A damning opinion, I know, but for Christ's sakes.....what else needs to happen before you wise up?

NicoB · 21/06/2011 16:52

Don't worry, my DS hasn't seen DP for some time now.

I'm meeting with DP one last time this weekend (no DS there), to see if there is any way forward. Personally I don't believe there is, because a leopard can't change its spots, plus there are so many to change.

I suppose I've just been living in hope that the man that DP can be will kick the other, selfish, resentful and jealous one into touch. In fact, it's like he's two people: at times he can be incredibly good with DS, but at times incredibly childish too. Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde. Mr Hyde is winning.

Yes, I do know, full well, how this will impact on me and my son should we move in, so it won't be happening. Unless a miracle occurs and DP says he is going to seek professional help then the relationship comes to an end at the weekend. Even if he sought help it would take a long time for me to trust him again - if ever - so we stay where we are.

I've tried to make the relationship work, but failed. That's because it needed two of us to try.

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theredhen · 22/06/2011 08:49

Sometimes you have to realise that however hard you keep on banging with the hammer, the square pegs are not going to fit into the round holes.

Good luck for the weekend. xx

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Laquitar · 22/06/2011 09:11

Get rid of him. As quick as you can.

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NicoB · 22/06/2011 13:38

I know that PrinceHumperdink, but I suppose it's just that I don't want to believe it.

It's hard when the nice guy that you love is 'somewhere in there'; a man who can be all the things you hope for, yet who refuses to even try to understand how much some of their behaviour hurts you, let alone do something about it. In theory it's so easy for him to make a change: just be the nice guy all the time (no, that doesn't mean he has to be a doormat), but in practice I know it won't happen.

We certainly can't move in with him, no, so I guess the weekend meeting will just be to see if we can retain a friendship. Even though so much has happened that has coloured my opinion of him (and vice versa), I don't wish him any harm.

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allnewtaketwo · 22/06/2011 13:48

"It's hard when the nice guy that you love is 'somewhere in there'"

No no no - "nice guys" are not hiden inside nasty manipulative selfish deranged gits.

How can you be even "friends" with someone who displays the lack of emotional empathy that this man clearly does. You're clutching at straws, you really are.

NicoB · 22/06/2011 14:24

allnewtaketwo I can see your point of view, but there is too much stuff that we jointly own, or have a vested interest in to not retain some kind of a friendship. Stuff that can't be sorted out overnight or, indeed, quickly at all.

Anyway, friendship is one thing, a relationship is another.

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theredhen · 22/06/2011 17:36

I don't believe that anybody is all bad. Some people just have their own issues which they try and project onto other people.

However, that doesn't mean you should accept someone into your and your child's life because there are "good bits" in them. None of us are perfect but what you need is a man who doesn't cause you to walk on eggshells, who doesn't upset your son and doesn't erode your self esteem. Don't accept anything less.

AmberLeaf · 22/06/2011 17:53

too much stuff that we jointly own

Surely your son is more important than stuff ?

NicoB · 22/06/2011 20:24

My son has no need to see DP again, so our shared items (okay, not quite as simple as that, but I don't want to go into it here), can be sorted out between us without involving him.

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Smum99 · 22/06/2011 20:57

I'm so glad you have made the decision to not move in with your partner. I am a parent and step parent and know how difficult being a step parent is - it is much, much tougher than being the natural parent. Your partner isn't able to be a step parent - he has told you that very clearly.A step parent needs to be emotionally mature, unselfish, tolerant, loving and giving.

You must however congratulate yourself for thinking this situation through. You have acted very maturely, some parents rush to live with a new partner without agreeing the rules upfront, you have been very sensible and to his credit your partner has also been honest. He could have agreed with everything, waited for you to move and then changed!

I'm sorry it hasn't worked out, it would have been nice to have a 'happy, ever after' but he's not the man for your family.You sound fab so I'm sure Mr wonderful step-father-to-be is just around the corner:)

Good Luck

balia · 22/06/2011 22:23

I am a step-parent and feel honoured to be able to be part of my DSS's life. I'm very far from perfect and have found being a step-parent a real challenge, as has my DH (who is step-dad to my DD) and who has, in fact, had counselling to help him to interact more positively with DD whe she was going through a very difficult early teen stage.

This guy is a creep and I wouldn't have my kids anywhere near him.

HTH

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