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holidays... suggestions please

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lateatwork · 13/06/2011 19:02

so, am heavily pregnant with twins. DD is 2.5. DSS is 7. I am about to lose my job (disaster financially as I am main breadwinner...) DP has DSS for a week in July. Previous intention was that DP and DSS would holiday alone (bonding etc), DP, DD and I would go later. DP now is talking about us ALL going on holiday together... I simply dont want to do this. DD and DSS dont get along great. They spent Easter together and both faught the whole time with DP bending over backwards for DSS at the expense of DD. DSS obviously wants to spend as much time with DP as possible and that means he will totally monopolise all time with DP. It will be the last holiday that we have before the twins are born and I want it to be as relaxing and 'nice' as possible. Also, if we take DSS costs will be much higher. DSS does not live in same country as us and original plan was for DP to fly over to DSS and for them to go camping / cycling etc for the time. If we are to holiday together we have extra expense of getting DSS to whatever location. Am I being super mean to say no? DP wont now be able to take 2 weeks off cause of our financial situation.... which means unless DD and I go with DSS and DP, I wont get a holiday. What would you do?

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allnewtaketwo · 14/06/2011 17:08

You ask how others manage - like you I am the main breadwinner. DP pays maintenance according to CSA formula. This takes quite a chunk out of his disposable income. My view is that as I earn quite a lot, and DP already pays quite a lot for the children, then my DS should realistically expect to benefit a lot from my higher income. Obviously DP has less disposable income to contribute towards this due to maintenance. So that does in practice mean that there is less disposable towards our expenditure on the other 2. Therefore as a result we do tend to do less expensive things when they are with us, than, for example, I can fund during the time when it's just the 3 of us. Imo if we did it any other way then my DSSs would be benefittng from the income of 4 adults (me, DP, their mother and her partner) wherease DS really wouldn't get much benefit at all from having a mother who works very hard.

catsmother · 14/06/2011 18:33

Okay ..... if SS is abroad I understand CSA might not apply (though - and I might be talking out of my hat here, I did think that some countries had kind of reciprocal arrangements for maintenance which were based on CSA guidelines). Anyway ... there is still nothing stopping DP paying a CSA rate based on his salary. He can go on their site, use their calculator (which will also take into account the other 3, well, 1 at the moment) and send his ex that amount. SHE does NOT get to decide what the maintenance should be .... that's a matter for him and you to decide, so long as it's minimum CSA. The ex may not be happy but so what - if they were still together she'd have to manage with the "woeful" amount he earns. Why should it be any different because they're split and he's had the good fortune to meet someone better paid than him ? .... and what, realistically can she do about it ? DP's conscience should be clear because he'll be paying a sum as per legal minimum required in the country where HE lives. Glad to hear the flat is going ..... no wonder he spends all his money, but what a bloody waste when he doesn't even use it. All that money could have gone into savings which'd be helping you out now.

Think, in your current circumstances, he is also going to have to re-think contact. Flights every month without fail are fine if you can afford it but not when you can't. He's being utterly ridiculous and irresponsible by refusing to talk about this .... even if you did spend all your savings on this, they're not limitless, and there's now a big question over your future income.

As I said before, if he refuses to address this by having an adult conversation, I'd refuse to fund his holiday. Whatever it took to make him take responsibility and work out with you how both of you are going to survive financially and how contact can be afforded - which is not necessarily the same thing as contact continuing on the basis it has been. And of course the issue of maintenance has to be addressed too. If he insists that the ex "must" get what she demands, and/or what he thinks is a "fair" sum (and that sum is unaffordable) then he's not just placing your children at a financial disadvantage but also, at an emotional one because he is, effectively, saying that SS is "more important". That may not matter to the younger children now but it will in the future and could be extremely damaging when they work out how favoured their older brother was.

Quite honestly, it doesn't sound as if you'd be any worse off - at least financially (appreciate it's not quite that simple) - if you and he were to split. In fact you could be considerably better off - assuming you can find similar work again - as he won't be scrounging your savings, and, if you went to the CSA, he would have to pay for your 3 children.

Petal02 · 14/06/2011 18:51

Catsmother, you've taken the words out of my mouth this time! Particularly the point about refusing to fund the holiday if he won't have a sensible discussion about future finances.

lateatwork · 14/06/2011 21:19

hmm yes... have now been on the CSA website... gee its bloody woeful that there is such a small difference in the amount he would have to pay if he has zero children versus three children in addition to DSS to support. Yes, what he pays is way over what the CSA calculator says- and taking into account travelling etc its a bit silly.

will be approaching the topic again this evening.

oh yes i would be much better off financially if we had separated. for the amount DP 'costs' me, i could hire a live in full time nanny and still be better off... but that isnt the point. he is more than a nanny (clearly!!!) and i do despite him being totally crap with this stuff love him to bits. i just wish he was better with all this stuff. its placing me under huge strain- and believe me i dont need any more stress...

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Petal02 · 15/06/2011 09:00

Hi LAW, did you manage to have a discussion with your DP last night?

lateatwork · 15/06/2011 09:09

morning... nope he fell asleep.... tonight is the night. he leaves for DSS country tomorrow am to pack up flat and for access visit. but told him last night we HAVE to talk about it tonight. its stressing me too much cause at the moment, even though its a shared responsibility, i feel like the whole financial burden is my issue to resolve alone... and that is not fair.

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Petal02 · 15/06/2011 09:31

You're right, it's not fair. Particularly not when you're pregnant with twins.

lateatwork · 16/06/2011 04:47

ok. well that went well (not). he ended up making up all sorts of excuses- 'i have been in a really dark place but am better now'- alluding to the fact that he had been going through some sort of crisis which is why he had not bothered to do anything about contributing financially to the household in which he lives... to 'i thought we agreed this was a training year for me' (so different tact, different excuse)... and then i got 'you seem to have remembered eveything and toted up a list of everything you have paid for' (umm.... yes, not difficult as it has been everything....)... and then his final solution was 'fine. well, we split everything 50/50 and I pay 100% DSS too. give me a list of everything i owe you and i will make a payment plan. And we split all cleaning, cooking etc 50/50 too' (clearly not workable as he does not earn enough right now to do this, AND charming as I am heavily pregnant with twins which does not seem to count at all in the 'cleaning / cooking/ childcare' category (will he be carrying the babies for 12 hours a day... i think not)...so NOT a solution) and then wouldnt talk about it after that.

Then announces that he has no idea what he is going to do with the stuff from the flat (umm.... storage like we agreed??) but apparently we never spoke about that, he hasnt organised it and what is the point anyway as he doesnt have the money to pay for it so he will just make a big bonfire and burn it (emotional blackmail, immature response,clearly he expected me to financially back this too but never said or asked, does he want me to organise it for him??? i dont even speak the bloody language over there...and didnt even know there was a problem until he announces it the night before he is due to leave...he had told me all was organised... but now says the shipper hasnt even confirmed... ). He then said, that he could keep the flat on for another month (which I specifically asked him if he could at least three times since easter (when i was put under consultation at work) as it is rubbish timing him being away now with the stress of my redundancy (formal meetings, lawyers involved, very intense, still have to go into the office etc), a complicated twin pregnancy (have been told high risk of early delivery and PND due to stress by two consultants...), a 2.5 year old to look after and in a month my work situation would be resolved and I could be at home full time... and he announces the night before due to go that he could have extended??? bear in mind here that he wasnt thinking about saving cash as the reason he couldnt change the end date of the contract (cause that was not the driver... he told me that the landlord would not change his mind but apparently untrue now..)

I tried one more time on the financial planning side and said it needs to be realistic and we both need to agree and work together and contribute and said why doesnt he think about it for the next week and then we can discuss again. i then left it. tried to change the subject. and he then refused to talk (ie would not answer anything I asked just looked at me (passive aggressive crap) for the rest of the evening whenever I said anything). I just went to bed. He has just left to get his plane. left all the lights on in the house. no note about being sorry and calling later in the day. nothing. when i called out to say good bye he didnt even respond.

am bloody over it. feel like a total mug. if this is the way he is going to react when he is made to face up to financial reality, where can it go from here? i am so not feeling positive about the future. he clearly thinks in reality, despite what i say, that i am still responsible for making up any shortfall without him having to make any changes in his life right now.

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WkdSM · 16/06/2011 09:09

Wow - poor you.
I don't know what to say - except can you visualise yourself being happy with him for the next 50 years if he continues to act like this?
If not, you have some big decisions to make and my thoughts are with you.

allnewtaketwo · 16/06/2011 15:23

So sorry to hear all that OP - what a mess. Does he have a tendency to go all defensive in arguments - is there a chink of light that when he has had time to think that he might see you pov?

Anushka11 · 17/06/2011 10:31

Hi- have you thought about involving someone independent, like a financial adviser, or even a mediator? He may be able to accept things better from someone neutral/ outside the family, who he can not accuse of having a vested interest or holding a grudge.
FWIW I have been in a similar situation with ExP, and he utterly failed to accept/ grasp the situation/ believe me- outside advice did the trick (debt advice, in his case)

Petal02 · 20/06/2011 09:14

Just bumping this up - have there been any developments? I was appalled that he refused to take responsibility for this situation, but like another poster suggested, I wonder if he may behave differently once he's had chance to calm down and think about things?

lateatwork · 20/06/2011 10:52

hi petal and others... sorry have been home alone as DP is off vacating the flat and having access visit with DSS... he has calmed down now (as have i...) but still no resolution... will try again once he is back. ho hum...

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lateatwork · 07/07/2011 13:47

hi... just an update from this end... DP is now back. next week is the week he has DSS. I am still at work (unlcear as to what is happening so reluctant to take annual leave...) and so DP is taking DD and DSS on holiday alone. A part of me is totally miffed about this- cause I am desperate for a holiday, cause i have coughed up for the airfares, cause DP has left the organising of activities and accom until the last minute... but what is worrying me most today is that DP favours DSS over DD... and when push comes to shove, it will be DD that is told off and DSS will be able to do whatever he likes. If i am around, things are 'fairer'- but I wont be there and am having trouble letting go. I have spoken to DP about this and he says that isnt true.... but honestly I have seen it soooo many times. I so would prefer if DP just took DSS. DD really wants to see her brother... but i am pretty tempted right now to insist that DD stays with me. what would you do?

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lateatwork · 07/07/2011 13:50

oh and he still hasnt done anything on the financial side...

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Petal02 · 07/07/2011 15:49

LAW - if I were in your position, I wouldn't want my daughter to go on this holiday. It sounds like she'll get the thin end of the wedge if you're not there to defend her, and thats not fair. I do think it's criminal that you're paying for everyone to go on holiday, when you're missing out - and shouldn't that money be saved for when the twins arrive??

Petal02 · 07/07/2011 15:54

PS - weren't you going to use the holiday as a bargaining tool, ie you'd only pay for the holiday if he was prepared to sit down and discuss future finances with you? I'm not being critical, because this must all be terribly hard, but if you've paid for the holiday despite having no agreement on finance going forward, you've lost your bargaining tool?

Petal02 · 08/07/2011 15:47

Just bumping this up.

lateatwork · 14/07/2011 12:41

Hi! DP and DD have been away now since Sat. To be honest, its actually worked out really well. They (along with DSS) are staying with my friends (they have a child same age as DD...) and its worked out a treat. DD is really happy and chilled out and loves my friends... she also has a playmate there... and they living alking distance to the beach so DD is super happy.
AFM- well the break is doing me the world of good. I have been to the cinema (unheard of), shopping (unheard of), to dinner with friends... alone.... and it has just been magic. Even though I am still working, because i can do whatever i want, whenever i want without having to do anything for anyone else, I think I am MORE chilled out than i would have been if I had a week with DP, DD and DSS. Knowing my friend is there also helped to reduce my fear about DP favouring DSS- my friend knows the score and is all for equal treatment!
so, not the outcome that I thought would work the best, but truly could not be happier!

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lateatwork · 14/07/2011 12:43

oh and also because they are staying with my friends, the costs having been enormous either. DP is paying for their food, entrance to things, petrol etc etc (so covering too for the family he is staying with) which works for them, and for us....

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Hufflepuzzpig · 14/07/2011 13:31

Only just seen this, glad you are having a nice break. Where will you go from here though, when he returns? I hope he will grow up, he sounds spineless.

I was also wondering, when it is just the 3 of you at home, how does DH treat DD?

Petal02 · 14/07/2011 15:37

I'm really pleased you're feeling chilled and relaxed this week, but nothing appears to have been resolved about finances?

lateatwork · 14/07/2011 16:46

no. nothing resolved about finances. he agrees that it isnt fair that i use my savings to fund his lifestyle and pay for DSS (good start...), but he has done nothing about getting a new job that will pay more. I just dont think he gets it... or if he does, doesnt know how to tackle it. so, we are sitting down when he gets back to nut it out...

DH is fine with DD normally. I say fine, but the thing that I find most annoying is that he has a different parenting style with DSS versus DD. I do find that confusing. eg DP would NEVER allow DSS to cry at night- he would be up straight away and go and comfort him. DSS would ALWAYS end up in our bed... to be honest, this is an approach I approve of... what I find odd is that his parenting style with DD is the complete opposite... doesnt like her in our bed at night, doesnt go to comfort her- more expects her to cry it out etc.
It was dictated, that DSS would never be in daycare beyond 1500... yet DD is in for much longer hours and DP doesnt seem to see the problem. Its just annoying. I do view it as favouritism. I have never seen him give DSS 'timeout' or be disciplined for anything.... but its a Disney thing... not excusable, but in the scheme of things, I have bigger fish to fry!

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FuzzpigFourFiveSix · 14/07/2011 21:03

Those are pretty big differences IMO. I could almost - ALMOST!!! - understand if he was brilliant with DD and then suddenly started treating her differently when DSS was there. That's more typical Disney dad style from what I gather - wanting the visits to be utterly perfect and bugger what anyone else has to cope with, but still normally being a decent dad to the resident child.

But actually, it sounds like he never considers your DD to be as important as his DS. And that is never ok. He chose to have a child with you, why is he not honouring this?

He sounds like a total twat, sorry :(

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