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What do you do when they keep crying for mummy?

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Woozlemum · 02/04/2011 16:42

Just wondered what you guys do if you have any young SC who cry for mummy when they are ill or if they get cranky because they aren't getting their own way?

My DSS has had a run of being ill quite a lot and one time we went to DP's Dad's for the night and DSS was pretty ill, vile cold etc and spent all night screaming the place down for mummy and we ended up driving back home in the middle of the night to take him back to his mums. Felt like a real failure! :(

At the moment he gets a bit sulky if he's being told not to do stuff (like not to climb on the metal bedframe or bounce on the sofa, put toys away nicely) and says things like 'I want to go back to mummys house NOW!'

I've recently been reading 'How to talk so that kids will listen...' and have been trying things like 'I know it must be hard when you are away from your mummy, the problem is she is at work/asleep/not at home right now so we will take you back home later on.' And getting him to repeat back to us where mummy is so he understands and stops asking (as sometimes he just keeps on crying for her for hours).

I know it's tough for little ones to be away from mummy, esp as they are with her most of the time. It's always pretty sucky too to feel like he's not having a good time with us.

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Woozlemum · 04/04/2011 10:55

When he first started staying over (bear in mind he's only stayed over at ours a few times at weekends when his mum wants to go out as we cant have him overnight at ours during the week nights if she wants to go out due to the time DP has to go to work in the mornings and not really being practical / nice for DSS to wake up without Daddy being there and I know the ex would not like it if I took him to nursery or for her to have to come over to collect him as DP wouldn't be here and she and I dont have any contact. Which is why when she wants to go out on a week day evening DP has to go over to hers to babysit him) he was sleeping in our bed while we slept on the sofa bed.

He had slept at ours during naptime in the day before, either in our bed or on the sofa, so sleeping in Daddy's bed wasn't unfamiliar. The last time he stayed we had bought a tent for him and his mum let us have his old mattress and he slept on that in his tent in the living room. (Our house is all on one level so the living room is just a few feet away from the bedroom - so he knows where we are and can come to us if he needs to.) He has his own bedtime things (which get brought over from mum's) - so his bedding, nightlight, teddy etc. He also has plenty of things that are his over here, slippers, pjs, all kinds of toys.

We have him every Weds afternoon - DP picks him up from nursery, come back home for lunch, then playing for the afternoon and we usually give him dinner and then back to his mum's for 5:30pm. We have him every Saturday - pick up at 9:30am - he has lunch here then it's back home by 4:30pm. We try to do different things so that he's not just playing in the house each time he comes, we go to the park, or go and see my sister who has two DDs, or go to a soft play place. Sometimes we swap days so that she can take him to a birthday party or so that we can take him to a family thing on DP's side.

I think the problem with crying for mummy at night is more when he is not well. He will wake himself up from coughing, or if he has a blocked nose etc and then will get all upset (probably down to the usual feelings of feeling yucky being ill and over tired) and then of course wants mummy. Like you all say, he is still very little and of course wants his mummy when he's unwell. We do try and ride out the storm when he is being very upset, but I guess we just wondered what methods of coping other people have when he is especially worked up when he's ill as it's quite distressing sometimes to see him so upset. We dont let him see how distressed we are though, we just give him lots of cuddles and do whatever we can.

I think the thing about DP going over to hers to babysit, DP has to go over there regularly anyway to pick up DSS and drop him off, to come over and fix things in the house and comes and helps out if she is unwell and needs a hand. I know he doesn't really like being over there sitting in his old living room till midnight, but he does it for his son. I know he also does it to try and keep the ex happy as she can get pretty crappy with him if he says he cant babysit. We only live five mins walk from her house, compared with a 60 mile round trip for her parents (who look after DSS every Tues & Thurs afternoon and babysit every Thurs night).

DP pays his ex just under 50% of his salary (which is crazy I know) as they had a high mortgage together and although to begin with when she told him how much he needed to pay her she said it wasn't for the mortgage it was all for DSS, however now that he has asked her where his money goes (in the hope he could request that at least some of it could pay for a babysitter or perhaps bring his payments down a bit) she told him it went towards the mortgage working out with only about £25 a month for DSS. He pays just under half of our monthly outgoings (which thankfully are not as high as hers!) but once that is paid and his own outgoings are paid he is usually left with nothing for himself and cant save up anything. It is pretty rough seeing him feeling so down about money, checking his account each time he wants to buy something for himself like a book, to see if he can afford to. I recently lost my job, but before I was earning more than him and she said that I should pay for everything (unsure whether she meant I had to subsidise him so she still got her money every month)

I'm hopeful that at some point his payments can come down and that he can get a better paying job (he's due to be made redundant in Dec) otherwise we'll be struggling over this for a long time.

I was up all night thinking about it all, feeling like a bit of a tyrant for having taken stickers off a chart. DP was upset last night as yesterday was his first mothers day without his mum (she died last year) so it was a bit of an emotional night last night with us both being a bit teary.

I was thinking about how I was raised - my parents did smack me, and although it was pretty rare that I did get smacked, I did know what was acceptable and what wasn't. Not that I am saying in any way that smacking is the right way to discipline as I would never smack (although my sister does and that is a whole other thread.... grr!) I was saying to DP last night that it's tough to know what to do, one camp says naughty step, one camp says it's unfair to children to deprive them of things/attention, one camp says remove stickers, one says its wrong to negate the positive behaviour that got them the sticker in the first place. DSS is DP's first child, so it's as much of a learning curve for him as it is for me being the SM having no kids of my own.

I know three is a difficult age, and we're just trying to find some good methods to use to help make it a little less difficult.

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KaraStarbuckThrace · 04/04/2011 14:29

I agree with MJ. I also think your DP is allowing his ex to emotionally blackmail him into giving more that he can really afford.
Have you looked into the CSA calculator to see how much he should be giving, because I doubt it should be 50% of his take home salary!

You do need to find a bigger place as he really ought to have his own room especially if you want to increase the overnight stays. Besides what if you want to have more dcs?

Woozlemum · 04/04/2011 14:35

I was DP's friend before we got together. I was in a relationship when we became friends and later that year I split with my partner. DP was unhappy with the ex way before we knew each other and eventually after a lot of talking and a lot of worrying, him sleeping in another room and a breakdown over leaving the family home and not seeing his DS every day, they split up. Several months later we got together.

DP has been told he has to keep away from anyone with an illness for two weeks and as DSS has a cold/virus at the moment he has been advised to not see him for the first week, and as the second week of his recovery the ex is taking DSS on holiday we wont be seeing him anyway. The op is on his nose and if it gets bashed (especially by a little boy who likes to jump about on daddy's head and has to be told fairly often not to hit people) it will mean he would be likely to have to have further surgery if it caused further damage.

I know DSS needs a bedroom, but unless we suddenly win a shedload of money to be able to afford a two bedroom house we have to make the best of what we have. We have only recently been given the OK to have him overnight, but as it's not part of the 'routine' of DP's time with him it is difficult to provide that stability. I'm not saying that every time he stays over that he has a bad time, only on the times when he's not been well. The other times have been fine, he has only woken up a couple of times and one night started to come through to the living room where we were sleeping, didn't say anything, got as far as halfway but then took himself back to bed on his own, put his lullaby machine on and was asleep again in about 10 minutes (we were really proud of him).

The thing with the money is a tough one, I know DP doesn't want to rock the boat and cause the ex to change her mind about any of the access he has. She has said that if she sold the house and rented she wouldn't be able to get any housing benefit, or will end up in a tiny hovel. I have absolutely no idea at all about the benefit system, but we keep asking for her finances so that they can speak to an independent financial advisor they had when they were together to talk about their options and work out the best thing for all of them. If they sell the house they wont get any money back from it as it's not worth much more than they paid for it, she wont be able to get a mortgage for another house, and we certainly wouldn't get anything out of it. I guess we see it as if she rented a property which cost less than the current mortgage is, that she would get some housing benefit and DP would be able to reduce his payments to her. At the moment she has a three bedroom house, garden, car. We have a one bedroom house, no garden, a car (which we had to borrow money from family to be able to buy so we could use to do things with DSS - like take him to see DP's family).

DP and I had a chat last night about things and I said to him that I'm sure there are times he wondered if he made the right decision to leave the ex as although he is happier in some ways, not seeing his son every day is really hard for him, and I suppose also seeing the woman he used to love basically treating him like a second rate human being because he didn't love her anymore and chose to leave. DP's parents split when he was about 4 so he does know how it feels to spend time with a part time parent and the struggles and potential pitfalls. He really does try his best to do all he can, but it just never seems enough.

The amount the ex wants to go out during the week, each week means that DP's work would not be flexible enough to allow him to come in late one or two mornings a week to take DSS to nursery. Hopefully once he gets another job in lieu of his impending redundancy he could get something that would be more flexible to allow him to do that. There are times when the ex has been unwell and DP has had to take the morning off as emergency holiday to take DSS to nursery. And again us not having a bedroom for DSS means it is difficult to have him at ours during the week - yes if we had a proper room for him and we had a proper set day/days when he stayed over it wouldn't be a problem from that respect, but as DP has to be up before 6am and at work for 7am and DSS has to be at nursery for 8:30am, the only other option would be for me to take him, but again I know that wouldn't be ok. And as all of DP's holiday this year is to cover nursery holidays and Christmas he cant really take any more time off to cover nursery drop off time every week. (We aren't having a honeymoon as he cant take any more time off work).

At the moment we just feel a bit damned if you do damned if you dont over so many things. It's been about 18 months since they split and we've been together for just over a year. The unreasonable-ness tends to come in waves, she'll be fine for a time and then it's like she remembers that she is in a mood with him and it all starts again. They have a talk once a month about their son, any stuff they need to discuss to do with him, nursery etc and any things they need to discuss about arrangements - like nursery holidays. And that is usually fine, it's more when they start to discuss money that it gets frosty. I have suggested mediation, but I know he is determined to avoid that hoping they can be adults and sort something out but I think it's going to have to come down to it. All the finance and access arrangements have been her decisions, no legal involvement, no CSA. I know DP has gone along with most of it out of guilt for leaving and not being in his son's life every day.

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Woozlemum · 04/04/2011 14:46

I appreciate your views MJ - like I said in my post above DSS doesn't cry for hours every time he stays over! God that would be pretty awful and really sad if he did, no it's when he's not well and the one time it was for several hours was when we were away from home and were a couple of hours drive away from mummy and he was pretty ill (started off with a sniffle but by night time it was full blown yuckiness!) none of us realised how ill he was going to be so it was a bit of a tough one especially as we were at FIL's and it was keeping everyone else awake in the house!

He's just had quite a run of being ill lately, and while we want to be able to look after him no matter what, as after all DP is still his Dad and it's good to give the ex a bit of a break when he's been ill on and off for the last couple of months, it's just tough when he can take about an hour or so to calm down - whether at our house overnight - or at his own house, in his own bed when DP is babysitting.

We let DSS choose what prize he wants at the end of his reward chart, we dont usually take stickers off, we were trying to think of other alternatives to the naughty step - and reading the 'How to talk...' book was us trying to look for other ways to encourage him to listen when he is being told not to do something i.e 'Sofas are not for jumping on.' Rather than 'Stop jumping on the sofa' and hopefully not end up doing naughty step at all. I just dont really know what the best option is for discipline when they are repeatedly doing something they are being told not to do.

And yes, DP and I would like to have our own children at some point, but we know that we cant until the money situation improves as it's just not possible for the next year at least. We did talk about trying a year after we got married but I dont even know if we'll be able to do that. :(

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KaraStarbuckThrace · 04/04/2011 14:48

I honestly think that there needs to be some legal involvement, to ensure that your DP gets fair access to his son. His ex cannot hold that over his head - "give me my money or you won't see your son" Angry

I understand she must be feeling very hurt and sad at the break up but that is nothing to do with you, it wasn't your fault. Sadly people do fall out of love with each other.

He sounds like he is a very loving dad Smile
If she is claiming benefits she is possibly committing benefit fraud as she cannot claim more than £5 a week in maintenance from your DP.
She may not realise this of course, and it does depend on what benefits she is claiming.

Sorry about your DPs mum,btw and I hope DP recovers from his op!

Also I do the taking stickers off - but I only threaten to do it if DS is being really, really, really naughty and so far have not had to actually do it Grin

Woozlemum · 04/04/2011 14:50

Ugh - how depressing. Did the CSA calculator.... DP is paying ex over £300 more a month than he should be. I know DP has always said he doesn't just want to pay the bare minimum prescribed amount for his DS, but ugh....

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KaraStarbuckThrace · 04/04/2011 14:51

If he can pay over the maintenance suggested by the CSA then that is great but it has to be what he can afford and it doesn't sound like this is the case.

Woozlemum · 04/04/2011 15:03

I know I am a bit biased but DP is such a lovely dad. For months after they split up he would be in tears most of the time over not being there for his son, and there are still many times when he comes home from dropping him off, or back from babysitting when DSS has been quite upset when he left (as he has an uncanny knack of waking up just when mum comes home) and just bursts into tears.

I know that having grown up from a divorced parent background that he has the ability of seeing things from his son's point of view and tries hard not to let him down (and so far has never let him down in any way at all). It's tough when the ex makes him feel like nothing he does is right (one silly example of bringing DSS home on the bike we got him for his 3rd birthday and at some point on the way he must have ridden over some dog poo unbeknownst to DP. Ex sees it and asks him to clean it off - which he does - apologising for not realising. Then the next time he brings DSS back home DSS has stepped in some dog poo - again DP hadn't realised. Ex is all 'Next time can you not make your son walk in dog poo as I have to clean it up.' - mmmm What?)

I know it's been tough for DP losing his mum as I know there are lots of things he would like to talk to her about, get her opinion on etc. I dont know if the ex thought about him yesterday being his first mum's day without his mum - all those 'firsts' to have to get through :(

I know that the ex has child tax credits, working tax credits and child benefit and she works part time. I dont know about any other benefits she gets.
She drives to work, although she could save money by getting the bus (heaven forbid she use public transport - apparently she never did when they were together), we use public transport where possible as we cant always afford petrol.

Sometimes the ex is ok about me - like she will ask after me if I've not been well and can be ok talking about me, but then other times she goes very frosty when I'm mentioned. I suppose depends on how she is feeling that day!

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KaraStarbuckThrace · 04/04/2011 15:09

Just checked and those benefits are not listed. Obviously if she is working she won't be claiming JSA or IS, so ignore what I said about the £5 payment.

Woozlemum · 04/04/2011 15:16

A while ago she was considering going back to work one more day a week (she currently works three days a week) and said that if she did DP wouldn't be able to see DSS every weekend and it would end up being every other weekend instead. She hasn't gone through with it or talked about it any more but it really did upset DP.

I've been trying to encourage DP to see a solicitor for some free legal advice for ages! Even before we got together - and before they split I was suggesting it to him to see where he stood on various things. I think he is so worried of her getting upset (to his detriment) if things dont go her way. At the moment she is better off every month than she was when they were together. Whereas he cant put money aside for the future, let alone be able to do stuff now!

I think once he's had his op (fingers crossed it goes ahead tomorrow as he's had DSS's virus for a week!) we can try and think about next steps over money etc.

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thinkingkindly · 04/04/2011 15:48

Woozle, you sound really nice and that you and your DP are doing the absolute best you can for your DSS. The tent sounds quite fun to me.

I can tell you now that you will seriously resent the amount that DP is paying in years to come, and the popping round to fix up the house/babysit etc etc. It just all sounds as if it is for the exW's convenience and nobody else's needs get a look in (including those of the DSS).

He should definitely reduce his payments - I would do slightly over the CSA minimum and then use the other money to do things directly with DSS, and just live. It's much more important that your DP has a place that his son can come and stay in than exW gets her nails done etc etc.

Sometimes the new partner has to be the one to point out the obvious - it does affect you because you do not want the rest of your life to be dictated by the ex. She has other options - she could take in a lodger, for example; she could definitely work one more day; she could allow you to be the one to take DSS to nursery etc etc. But she is not going to do any of that while your DP pays over the odds - why would she?

From your DP's POV, he will probably have to accept a different access arrangement than he really wants. EOW is a normal arrangement, and your DP might have to put up with that plus one week-day after work. Painful - but everyone does lose out in a split family imo.

It does get better, all this. I reckon the first two years are pretty awful in terms of the DP pacifying the exW, the exW having an unrealistic sense of entitlement and a desire to make the DP pay etc etc. But you do have to get clear and be prepared to say no sometimes.

thinkingkindly · 04/04/2011 15:49

Oh and he definitely needs to see a solicitor - who will tell him all the above. And mediation might well be a really good way of getting both DP and exW to compromise.

Woozlemum · 04/04/2011 16:03

Thanks Thinkingkindly

I definitely want him to get legal advice as DP and ex weren't married so I know there are a lot of things he worries about in terms of rights etc. I had a look at the CSA calculator details and saw that they will work it out differently if the ex has to pay a mortgage, which she does. I think the house is under her name though as I seem to recall him saying when they were together he would pay her money every month as all the bills etc came out of her account rather than his (no idea why as they were together for a very long time and it's not like he moved into her house!) Will have to ask him again about that arrangement!

We have talked about the fact that access will change as he gets older, starts school, if the ex meets someone else etc - and obv its not always going to work out for DP, just seems sad sometimes really. Some of it really does feel like he is being penalised for being a crap dad, when he really isn't. I can understand ex's getting shirty with fathers when they are a pile of crap, and demanding all sorts from them when they do very little for their kids. Just feels so sapping for DP to be doing the best he can and to be made to feel like he is the bad guy all the time.

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Woozlemum · 04/04/2011 16:07

And when I say rather than his account - I also mean rather than a joint account too. Not saying it always has to come out of the mans account!

I know that its nice for DSS to stay in the home he has lived in for the last few years, but it cant be good for her to still have such a huge financial tie to DP with the house. She just thinks she will end up in some vile tiny place if she sells up and rents and that just gets DP's guilty cogs whirring again in his head and he backs down about it all for a while.

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thinkingkindly · 04/04/2011 16:18

Woozle, he does need to check out his rights to the house. If he was joint owner, then paying for it and getting half the equity when DSS turns 18 would be one option. Another option would be giving up his equity in the home if ex took on the mortgage. But paying an expensive mortgage on a house he doesn't own is plain silly - if that is the situation, there should be a time limit on it. He has worst of all worlds it seems.

What he needs to work on is feeling okay about leaving, and differentiating between DSS's needs and the exW. ExW needs to accept that end of the relationship does mean a change in circumstances - normal stuff, I'm afraid. Staying in the childhood home is wonderful if you can manage it, but it isn't the be-all and end-all. Your DP really needs advice on this because he is making financial decisions based on guilt and he will regret it later.

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