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So what's everyone's plans for Christmas?

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theredhen · 26/11/2010 09:27

Actually thought I had better start giving Christmas some thought.

We have a system where one year, DSC come to us on the afternoon of the 23rd and stay until 10am on Xmas morning and then go back to Mum's until 10am on Boxing Day, then they swap round next year. Personally, I think the routine is designed for the adults so that they can both see their children on Christmas day but as no presents can go between the two houses and DP insists on taking them to their dead grandmother (that they never met) grave also on Xmas morning, I really pity the poor kids not getting to play with their presents.

DS will probably be with us on Xmas day and visit his Dad on Boxing day for a day or so.

I haven't volunteered to do Christmas dinner as that will mean cooking for a minimum of 13 Shock, but think I will have to give it a go next year as it's not fair to impose us lot on everyone else!

Personally in an ideal world, I'd have DSC stay all day Christmas day, cook fish fingers and use my time to spend the day playing with their toys with them and generally enjoy some fun and games. I'd then use Boxing day as a day to get drunk socialise with DP family and vice versa next year.

So what is your routine?

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Petal02 · 12/12/2010 20:24

Redhen, I'd be tempted to vote with your feet, and go out with your son regardless of what your husband thinks. I mean, it's not like he's taking your feelings into account in respect of Christmas.

Your life cannot be all about HIS kids.

theredhen · 12/12/2010 21:20

Petal,

I'm planning on doing exactly that. I feel that I have absolutely no control over my life and what I want to do. Everything is about playing happy families but only when his children are here and then it's completely different for me and my son.

He wanted us to move in, but I never thought for one minute, he would want us to give up our past lives so completely while his life carries on the same with the added bonus of adult company and help and support.

I've had to deal with jealousy issues from him towards my son and I am so very close to calling it a day. I am just so homesick for my old life. I feel like a lodger here and I crave my old life and my old independence for me and my son.

He is happy and his ex wife is happy.

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Petal02 · 13/12/2010 14:33

Redhen, I?m so sorry you?re feeling like this, although I?m not entirely surprised. To have four of someone else?s children landed on you, without being consulted, for the majority of the Christmas holidays, is AWFUL. But it?s not just Christmas, is it? I remember you posted before the summer holidays started, with a similar dilemma.

I?ve been thinking about this overnight, and wondered what your partner did before you lived together? Did he still have them for protracted visits, and did he look after them himself, or did he just drop them off at his house, and then go back to work?

It seems that expects an awful lot from you, regarding his children, yet as soon as they go back to their mother?s, he wants your son to go his Dad?s so that you get time alone. And whilst it?s great that he wants time alone with you, there?s a huge disparity between how he treats his children, and how he treats your son. Given he?s father himself, I find it really strange that he has jealousy issues towards your son.

Although it?s these bio-blinkers again, isn?t it? My husband often cites ?two?s company three?s a crowd? if my mother is visiting, but of course it?s different if his son is with us. He views it as a totally different ballgame. And I think this is where your partner is coming from. He views his kids as a natural extension of him, to be welcomed into his home, but most likely sees your son as intrusive. And I don?t know how you balance those different viewpoints.

I have to say he sounds incredibly selfish, even if he doesn?t mean to be. I?ve said this before, but the sheer weight of numbers alone makes your situation very difficult. I don?t have any advice to offer, other than to go out with your son, whether your partner likes it or not, if it helps to get you through the holiday period.

Your partner needs to realise he?s very lucky indeed to have found a partner who?s willing to take him on, when he?s got four kids. Was it his idea to have them for the majority of the holidays, or does his ex push the children in his direction?

Just a thought, but is there any chance you and your son could get your own place, but still continue with the relationship, and maybe considering living together again when his children are a bit older? And what impact would it have on your partner, if you told him you were moving out because you just can?t cope with his children? Would it give him a much-needed wake-up call, or would it go straight over his head?

I find it hard enough having one child on alternate weekends, I?d really like to see you find a solution that makes you happy.

theredhen · 13/12/2010 19:21

Before I came along he would have taken the younger ones out with him to work. Now they are older, he would just leave the older ones at at home and if the oldest was here, he would leave the little one with her.

In some ways it's a good thing that he wants his kids to see real life going on around them and that he doesn't just stop everything and take them to McDonalds like some Dad's would but of course, it means I am left at home in a house with a LOT of children, most of them not being mine and no space or privacy while he can escape out to work and pop in and see friends under the blanket excuse of it being about work.

I think he does see his kids as an extension of him, this has always been their home (the ex wife left) and I think sometimes he sees me as the perfect little wife replacement and my son is just the nuisance that comes with me. He denies this when I have asked him if this is the case.

His ex can sometimes try and stop him seeing the children, but since I have moved in she is encouraging more contact and he is jumping at the chance. She gets lots of free time anyway as she doesn't really work while I am at work and then using all my free time to look after children.

Everyone says to me that I must be mad to be with someone who has 4 kids, and they all seem to think that he's a typical Sat am to Sun PM every other weekend father which is far from the case. I do wonder sometimes if anyone says that he is mad to take on a woman with 1 child who is quite independent? He tries to tell me as my son is full time (nearly) that it's the same as him having his 4 part time. But seeing as the majority of my free time is taken up with his children, I disagree.

My house is rented to a tenant, so I could give 2 months notice and get my home back. Right now, I am so very tempted and feel I want to run away. I know I have to try to work this out rather than give up, but I don't feel like that at the moment.

I don't think my partner would want to carry on the relationship if we were to move out. I don't know why I think that, but I do. I think somewhere in my heart I feel that he wants a "someone" rather than me. Sad

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pleasechange · 13/12/2010 21:22

theredhen - I've read your posts today and am feeling v Sad for you that your're feeling this way and it's got so bad. I think Petal has made some good points.

I don't agree at all that his 4 somehow equate to your one child. Looking after 1 child is one thing, but another 4 (that aren't your's) at the same time is quite another. It must be a complete handful and I'm not surprised that it's overwhelming.

It's really so difficult being a SM - just thinking of suda in recent weeks and now how you're feeling, it brings it all home what an artificial and extremely difficult situation it is living as part of a blended (or not very blended!) family.

Haven't got any useful advice sorry, but just wanted to let you know I'm thinking of you

WildistheWind · 13/12/2010 21:26

oh redhen- I'm so sorry you feel that way

I have been in that situation. I have Inboxed you.

FrostyAndSlippery · 14/12/2010 08:46

:( redhen

I don't think I'd stay in your situation tbh. Maybe try and make the best of this Xmas, go out with your DS when you can. You could actually (secretly) keep a note of how many hours you have to spend looking after his kids while he's elsewhere, and how many hours you get with your DS. Show it to him after the holidays. Is it possible he just hasn't realised how much time it's adding up to?

theredhen · 14/12/2010 16:38

Thank you all for your kind messages.

I feel as if I was a bit naive when I moved in and because DP was / is so great with all the practicalities with the kids, I thought because I wasn't being treated as a slave whilst he lounged on the sofa, I'd be happy with that. It's not the physical hard work that is draining (although that is bad enough if you are doing it alone) it's the emotional upheaval and never getting any amount of time for yourself. If you watch tv, you have someone talking over it or asking you to help with something, if you sit on the computer, there is always someone looking over your shoulder asking how long you will be, I can't even have a bath as there isn't enough water for any of us to have more than a quick shower. If I pop to the shops or a friends, one of them always wants to come with me, do you get the picture. Add in the fact that I never get any time alone and any time with DS alone is begrudged or nasty comments are made, I feel very unhappy. At least when I was alone, I used to feel lonely but I had my own little space and my own life to make my own and I had control over it.

He was snapping at me last night because I was upset and couldn't tell him why. When I finally told him I am simply unhappy and wish for the life I had before, he went on about how I have been on my own for too long and am simply not used to life as a "proper" family. Maybe he is right, but I feel that I have given up a lot and now I don't even get a say in what time I get woken up, what I have for tea when the kids are here or when I see my friends.

I told him I feel I'm not a strong enough personality to feel that I am my own person now I am living with him.

He never mentioned about the kids once and that I don't have any say in when they come, what they do or how long they stay for. Does he not realise the effect that must have on me? I feel as if I have no control over my own life and especially my home life, which is the most important part to me.

I think I might keep a note of how many hours, to be fair, he won't be working very much at all, so he should be around most of the time. I don't force 4 people from my family on him day and night without even consulting him, I know they are his children, but I just want to feel as if I am part of it, not just when it suits him and his ex.

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Petal02 · 14/12/2010 18:27

It's all very well him saying that you're not used to be part of a 'proper' family - but the average family doesn't usually have four kids, and step kids are a million times harder that bio kids. What I'd love to ask your partner, is that if he finds it hard having your son around, then how does he think you find it having his FOUR kids in the house????? They don't need to be doing anything wrong, it's just that they're in your space, and you find it intrusive. I think a lot of us find our stepchildren intrusive, but our husbands/partners don't get it. Or pretend not to.

I mentioned the bio-blinkers in an earlier post. And how my husband complains if my Mum spends too long at our house, but doesn't understand my discomfort when his son is here. It's a real double standard. Most fathers assume that their new wives/partners will be equally as besotted with their children as they are. I remember coming home one night, DH proudly announced "stepson is in the conservatory" in the same way you'd announce "Robbie Williams is in the building". Of course, my heart sank, and it just illustrates the very different view points, which are light years apart. The father wants his kids at his house, the wife/partner doesn't - how do you compromise on that ??

Redhen, is there any way at all that your DP would agree to alternate weekend access? Would you find life more bearable if you knew when they were coming/going, and that it was only going to be short visit? Sadly, a lot of it boils down to how much he values his relationship with you - would he be willing to compromise on this, to make you stay?

I know my husband always tells me I come first - but I can never ask for a variation of the access agreement (unless, of course, it's to have him for extra nights). And I frequently get over-ruled, if it means keeping Golden Balls happy. So I do wonder who is really the most important, me or SS?

However, given you're already very unhappy (with good reason), how do you feel about laying it on the line, and saying you can't continue unless (a) there's a bit less access, eg stick to alternate weekends and (b) you are consulted, rather than being informed, about any changes.

I don't usually advocate ultimatums, but given you've already got one foot out the door (in thought if not in body), it might be worth a shot? What have you got to lose?

theredhen · 14/12/2010 20:44

Petal,

As a parent, I could never ask him to choose between me and his children and I know he would never choose me anyway.

I don't actually mind the children being here a lot (as long as we can have the same rules for all the children) and I can cope with the weekend routine and evening routine in term time, but the holidays are one big open book and OH will take as much as he can get even though he knows I find it hard.

When his ex asked if he can have the kids on "her" days, he doesn't then suggest that they "swap". He insists on having it all and as she has a new boyfriend she is only too glad to oblige. Maybe that is OK for him to do, when there is no-one else to consider, but that isn't the case anymore is it now that we are here?

Why is it that I feel guilty when my ex can't have my son because I know that means OH and I may have to change our plans and we will get less quality time together, but when OH has the opportunity to see his children more than I see my son who lives with me, he jumps at the chance and doesn't even consider that I might be a bit put out.

It's the double standards that are upsetting me in the way there is one rule for his children (from chores to how much we see them) and one rule for mine.

I already asked him to consult me before agreeing to any additional contact, but he has simply read out the e-mail a second before he presses the send button to his ex. Yes, he is "telling" me, but it's clear that my opinion and feelings are irrelevant. Sad

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theredhen · 14/12/2010 20:47

If he was to say to me "Redhen, I know I have agreed to have the children for a hell of a lot of the forthcoming holidays and I know you find it difficult being bombarded by my kids, so I'm going to take them out for the day and leave you and DS at home to have some space and if you would like to go out with your friends, please feel free and I hope you won't feel too overwhelmed this Christmas, I just want you to be happy and for me to spend time with my kids"

I would be so happy. That is really all I am asking for. Some space and some time and a big dollop of understanding.

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Petal02 · 14/12/2010 21:40

I can understand that, Redhen. You just want some empathy, moral support and understanding. And the occasional day out with your son. I think your wish list is perfectly reasonable.

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theredhen · 15/12/2010 08:39

MJ,

I really think things would work a lot better if he didn't try to insist we all play happy families all the time. After all, I don't insist he can't go out when my son is here. I want him to!

It took a lot of persuading to get him to NOT book tickets for all of us to an event his older girls want to go to. I could see he totally didn't understand when I said the girls would really love some one to one time with him and it would be nice for them not to have the rest of us dragging along. Obviously it means I have to "babysit" the other children while he goes off the day, but I'm quite prepared to do that as I think it's important for him and the girls.

I do have a friend that I am overdue an overnight visit to and I might see if I can take my son to see them over Christmas, I have already made plans to spend the day with another friend.

I feel I have given up my past life because we have moved away, my son has lost his independence in that he can't just walk to a bus stop or walk into town to see his friends, I have given up my home and seem to be expected to give up my rules and traditions too, my ability to pop round to someones for coffee and vice versa has been curtailed as we've moved away etc. I have to fit my work life around school runs, whereas before I could let my son look after himself for an hour or so if necessary etc, etc.

I have tried to explain that we are not a "proper" family, if there is such a thing, we are a step family and to make it work, everyone needs time and space and some understanding that we all have different needs.

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