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Noras · 11/04/2024 10:48

Does any one else things that the Government take huge advantage of parent carers of adult children? My DS is aged 20 with ASD, some motor and SLI etc I feel that’s it’s never ending having to care for the princely sum of 80 carer per week.

The only way out of caring is it seems is to remove DS from home and put him in something like supported living but it would just be wrong for him as things are.

For me, the worst thing is the bureaucracy of managing my son whilst also having to do the care . I find it stressful completing his PIP forms or applying for universal credit for him. I also then have to participate in his EHCP forms and then currently sort out transport.
on top of that I have to manage his PA administration eg recruit, send in or chase up timesheets.. I organise their schedules with my son. I have to liaise with agencies and sort out how they interface with PA’s. I agonise over the forms eg the Pip can my son make a meal - ues but he can’t consistently ensure his nutritional needs for a variety of reasons eg he decides that microwaving salad is a good idea or he sets fire to a wrap or covers the whole plate in chilli sauce or will just eat bread for a meal. He needs prompting to ensure his nutritional requirements and also he gets severe constipation so we have to make sure he eats correctly and does not overeat. I suffer from severe anxiety s filling in forms freaks me out. I asked the social worker if they would do it but they just redirect to advice agencies that offer advice but don’t actually do. To make matters worse he’s at life skills so some things have improved so how often do I update? The reality is that so far these improvements still do not mean he can overall live independently. Anyhow the pip is all down and dusted now except for how often I update on his life skills progress.

The council are trying to help me by adding in some agency care to ensure a regular Saturday evening out and a proper break. We need the agency in the hope of finally getting a break/ holiday my husband and I next year. It’s the only way to ensure there will be carers available for him for a whole week/ 10 days when we go away. However now I will have to juggle using an agency with his direct PA that I don’t want to lose ( as they are good and I went through the effort of finding and interviewing them) So that is more administration.

i just feel overwhelmed and tired. It’s the government forms pip / uc combined with running my son’s life and the insult of the £80 per week carers that I even pay tax on as I have investments. Two weeks ago there was a journal entry that I missed and it was the admin of getting DS bank statements to UC - that turned out to be problematic as we bank with HSBC and they have to be sent off for etc

now we have to juggle his accounts removing monies for food / clothes etc to ensure he does not build up savings.

alsp there was all the discussions this year re DRE and social care - how much cost should be deducted from his income.

I’m currently on holiday with my DH and DS currently and yesterday again felt like crying. I call it the guilded cage. I had checked all DS clothes and I thought shoes to make sure all was ok but it turned out whilst at Gatwick he was in pain as his trainers were too small. I had asked him specifically about them eg have you tried the on and are they ok. So instead of a gentle relaxed time in the airports ( we had found a quiet spot to sit) it was suddenly a mad rush to get him shoes that fit - for some reason he could not communicate they were too small. I was cursing myself for not actually feeling where his toes were. In the meantime DH was on his laptop working oblivious to the fact that we had no sensible shoes that fitted.

Then DS inevitable constipation had already blocked the toilet so we had to have maintenance and the maid in the room. At meal times he is talking incessantly about one topic - I think that he is finding the hotel restaurants too much at times. However I did not want to cook and also the most economic way to be here is all inclusive. DH and I can’t talk freely and have to engage in DS topics of interest to keep him calm.

Yesterday DS could not even simply get a t shirt out of the drawer and put on some white shorts - he was so confused about what to wear - I had organised it all to make it easy for him eg day clothes - evening clothes - day shoes - evening shoes. I have to watch him also to make sure that he does not get sun burnt ( as if he is a small child).

DH and I wanted to take a helicopter ride and DS refuses as he’s petrified.

and just choosing food in the restaurant - he can’t make decisions and so I have to try to narrow it down but then he says he want to have his own choice etc etc Then DH says ‘let him make his own choice’ then I do and DS starts getting stressed with the menu. I then resent DH for not realising this is what will happen.

I sound like a spoilt person. I’m in a beautiful place on holiday but already felt tearful and feel run down. DH and I are at the time when we ought to be having great holidays together and reconnecting but instead we are just caring as ever and to get a break without DS involves a whole load of administration using an agency and having someone stay in our home whom we might not connect with or want in our home.

To top all that carers allowance is pathetic - people are telling me to put him in supported and chose the hours I want to care for him and at least get an hourly rate. I feel like an idiot but I love him too much to put him somewhere that is currently not right for him. … when I get back I have to probably fight for next years transport to life skills and so it goes on.

People can get carers and do barely any care and then others it’s a full time job.

Then you get the crazy pip questions when one question suffices - can this person be left alone for a few days safely! Why can’t they just ask that question to social services or his life skills tutor rather than add to my caring role.
I loath it all.

We are ok off and can do lovely things. So I’m probsbly sound spoilt but as I write this DS is talking to himself as part of his stimming. That also is tiring. Where in the PIp form does it say ‘do you talk to yourself and ha flap and could make yourself a target walking down the street?’

Overall it’s the combination of being scrutinised by the government ( having these endless forms) combined with not even getting a relaxing break or having to beg for just a weekend off that makes me want to scream. It’s even the rubbish of having to check his universal credit journal etc etc

had it not been for my son I would not have even known what UC was. I hate engaging with the benefit system but have to as my adult DS will be in that system.

Yesterday I was trying to work out how to escape it all but there is no escape unless he goes to supported living but then I would still worry about him and probably still have to do all his administration. This will never end will it.

i know that people have things worse than me - I don’t know what’s wrong with me. I just feel depressed and overwhelmed by it all.

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Aprilcherry04 · 11/04/2024 17:38

I completely sympathise with you. My DS is 22 and has DS. I work part-time but my DH took early retirement and he does all the picking up and dropping off etc. We get very little time to ourselves. DH is also step dad to DS, so although he loves DS he feels frustrated that we can't plan weekends away etc on our own. DS will have to go into assisted living at some point but I'm just not ready as DS is very immature and has a severe learning disability. People say just take him away with you, but DS doesn't want to have leisurely dining experiences lol. We bring his phone and headphones but he sings (tunelessly) at the top of his voice so other diners are irritated (understandably). So weekends and holidays have to cater to DS needs and what circumstances he can cope with. Also he is often defiant and refuses to get ready etc. He can't cope with the choice in buffet restaurants and tries to eat a bit of almost everything. 😖
His plate is picked high and everyone stares at him. I think we as parents don't mind sacrificing and compromising when kids are younger, but now they are grown and still so reliant on us for everything, it becomes depressing. I love my son dearly but there seems to be no sign of the pressure easing.

cansu · 11/04/2024 23:25

I could have written a very similar post. I have two older disabled children to do this for and it is exhausting and stressful. I work so don't claim carers. I feel very resentful that I manage so much for nothing and then the government have the brass neck to scrutinise what I do!

Aprilcherry04 · 12/04/2024 12:36

I also feel very strongly that people pretend to be sympathetic with us and our young people but really they are just scared of being called out and labelled politically incorrect. Inclusion is a joke. They are always going to be kept on the edge of society. I am constantly having to apologise for my son's behaviour and he's being excluded from activities ( even though they're aimed at people with additional needs) just because some of his behaviour is not considered acceptable or the norm. Soon the only option for my son will be to stay home permanently or be locked up in an institution like Victorian times. I'm aware I sound really bitter but I'm having such a difficult time with him at the moment.

Iamawomenphenominally · 24/04/2024 22:58

Can I join this very sad club please? 😔

I'm staring down the barrel of adulthood for my ds this week and it just looks so bloody depressing for us both.

I'm so fed up and sad. Life is going to be a long never ending slog until I die. And then what will happen to him. 😢

MissDianaBarry · 28/04/2024 18:08

I totally empathise with this. My son is 21 and has complex needs. I realise you are just venting. The amount of paperwork can be overwhelming and a PIP application stressful. We use an agency to support our son which we find much better than finding our own team and becoming an employer (I don't know how local authorities feel they can present this as a good idea). I am not sure why you allow his UC to build up - our son makes a contribution to his food and living expenses and then together we look at how he would like to spend the money on living his life. The same with PIP - for his independence. We go on holiday but short breaks and I have had to accept that this has to be different, that our life is different. However DH and I deserve a life and so does our son which is why we are working towards semi-independent living - now whilst we are both young enough to fight for something appropriate and continue to support him/take him out etc We want to be parents not carers.

Aprilcherry04 · 30/04/2024 19:07

@Iamawomenphenominally of course you can. We can be miserable together 😆

louisbalfournice · 02/05/2024 13:32

Yes we are. I've got 17 year old ds with ADHD, some LD and behaviour issues. Had police here a couple of times as he seems to get mixed up in rubbish. He has no intention/motivation to find a job and has really struggled on a short work experience placement. He angers easily and I'm on edge constantly. We can't leave him home alone, so juggling that with DH being in office for 2 days a week.
I also care for my mum.
Can't get any universal credit as DH was left a bit of money by his parents. So I have to manage on £80 a week (£60 after bus fare) and ask DH for money.
He's currently in his room after an angry outburst from being suspended from playstation for a week (for sending inappropriate messages) . Gaming is his big interest so I've got a week of his anger until the suspension is lifted. He is stating a course on 13 May but I honestly think he won't attend. Last time he tried college he kept getting into fights.

theresabluebirdinmyheart · 15/08/2024 14:51

I can empathise with all these posts so much. I have often said I feel like an unpaid slave or servant for my daughter who has very complex needs. She’s getting much more challenging as she gets older (almost 17), she wants to be independent and for me to leave her alone but it just isn’t possible for her own safety.
I have started the process of applying for guardianship but it’s taking forever and seems like a nightmare, to the pp who said the government are happy to leave you to do the care work then scrutinise everything you do, that’s exactly right!
I feel like if this was my job and I was working this hard for 17 years I would have something to show for it such as qualifications, promotions, a sense of achievement. But I have nothing, no life, no holidays, no friends, no relationship. My mental health is destroyed through sleep deprivation.
I am quite close to just walking off and saying enough is enough but I can’t bear to leave my daughter at the mercy of social services.

Noras · 15/08/2024 18:14

theresabluebirdinmyheart · 15/08/2024 14:51

I can empathise with all these posts so much. I have often said I feel like an unpaid slave or servant for my daughter who has very complex needs. She’s getting much more challenging as she gets older (almost 17), she wants to be independent and for me to leave her alone but it just isn’t possible for her own safety.
I have started the process of applying for guardianship but it’s taking forever and seems like a nightmare, to the pp who said the government are happy to leave you to do the care work then scrutinise everything you do, that’s exactly right!
I feel like if this was my job and I was working this hard for 17 years I would have something to show for it such as qualifications, promotions, a sense of achievement. But I have nothing, no life, no holidays, no friends, no relationship. My mental health is destroyed through sleep deprivation.
I am quite close to just walking off and saying enough is enough but I can’t bear to leave my daughter at the mercy of social services.

That had been how I have felt. I think it is a thankless job and we are just taken advantage of.

DS now has some social care in holidays and I have thought of working but now seem to be too old. Again there is no help from the government to help me. My plan was to get a job and tell social services - you cover the holidays now he’s 20.

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mumof2many1943 · 16/08/2024 21:12

Can I join please 🙏 I am now an elderly (81shh) single mum of 3 with Down Syndrome. Like all of you I feel we are being used. Help is minimum but I am fortunate that they have day services 4 times a week. I am lucky they are very personable and well liked. However they all have health problems heart chest epilepsy.
I cannot claim carers allowance as my pension is a benefit 🤬. Sorry for ranting.My heart goes out to you all.
PS my lot are adopted bless them

Noras · 16/08/2024 21:27

For context my son is complex son studying Politics and thus I am studying it with him. He has a History A Level at a decent grade ( which is amazing as he was on the 1 percentile language when aged 10 and remains on that for receptive language). He was rubbish at English ( but he is language impaired) but I had to read and understand that syllabus eg American Literature in context etc So saw an ‘overlap’ there with History as much as History overlaps Politics.

My daughter self taught Law A Level at home during Covid and got an A with not a single lesson. Again, I had a look at that syllabus in detail and it contained quite a bit of contract and criminal law covered in parts in as much detail as the law conversion course I did in the 1980s. I would not dismiss that A Level at all. She’s pretty bright and got a first in a Science degree from RG so the fact that she taught herself that A Level does not mean that it’s easy. Quite frankly Wagon Mound is Wagon Mound whether you leave it at A Level or degree.

We also had experienced of my daughter doing the usual Maths, Science A Levels.

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Noras · 16/08/2024 21:29

Noras · 16/08/2024 21:27

For context my son is complex son studying Politics and thus I am studying it with him. He has a History A Level at a decent grade ( which is amazing as he was on the 1 percentile language when aged 10 and remains on that for receptive language). He was rubbish at English ( but he is language impaired) but I had to read and understand that syllabus eg American Literature in context etc So saw an ‘overlap’ there with History as much as History overlaps Politics.

My daughter self taught Law A Level at home during Covid and got an A with not a single lesson. Again, I had a look at that syllabus in detail and it contained quite a bit of contract and criminal law covered in parts in as much detail as the law conversion course I did in the 1980s. I would not dismiss that A Level at all. She’s pretty bright and got a first in a Science degree from RG so the fact that she taught herself that A Level does not mean that it’s easy. Quite frankly Wagon Mound is Wagon Mound whether you leave it at A Level or degree.

We also had experienced of my daughter doing the usual Maths, Science A Levels.

Sorry meant to post this on another thread

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duvet · 19/08/2024 11:27

My heart goes out to you all, you don't sound spoil OP you just sound weary and you're grieving what could have been. 💐to you all.

fatherfurlong · 10/09/2024 09:37

Gosh, this is me! Caring for 33 year old daughter with complex needs. All the admin of DP money, actually finding suitable PA & failing having only found unsuitable candidates who I wouldn't trust with a pet. Being told years ago that I was reluctant to let go- I would very much like to let go but am I prepared for my daughter to be cared for by people who show no interest in the job are lazy and in my opinion not safe in moving handling despite being told they are trained- 20 mins on an online course is not training in my eyes. Most daytime activities she attends have had their hours cut since Covid so no time to do anymore than shop & squeeze in a coffee with a friend. Respite is awful, shabby building, poor communication, silly rules made for their convenience, forgetting to give medication etc. Of course soon I will get my state pension and the carers allowance will stop but my work has increased over the years. No services, no interest and no hope.....

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