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Dd14 just weird or something more?

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WeAreNotLikeTheOthers · 25/01/2022 17:48

I’ll start by saying I was the weird child at school, and still have problems understanding ‘normal’ people. I thought I was just an outlier among normal people, but now at nearly 50 I am now so sure. So I’m looking at my daughter and wondering if she needs some understanding, and whether I would have benefitted from it years ago.

Dd is 14. She is probably one of the cleverest people I know. She scores top of her class in most of her school subjects and can become obsessive about it, getting very angry if she perceives a question in her homework or an exam to be unfair. She scored 99% on her recent maths exam and the teacher told her not to worry about the remaining 1% as it was not a fair question in hindsight, and she got very cross and is still mentioning now that she ought to have got 100% but the teacher put in an unfair question. She’s happiest with subjects that offer logical solutions such as maths and physics, but biology and even the thought of it has her actually physically retching.

She cut off all her hair at the start of lockdown. She had waist length flame red hair, but wears it in a boy cut now and puts a hat on top of it when she can. All of her clothes are baggy and unisex, although she has a very particular sense of style (everything is black, combat pants, Doc Martens, science logos.) She is often mistaken for a boy, although she does not find that offensive (in fact she often completely blanks the topic when someone refers to her as ‘young man’ which happens often on holiday in foreign countries) but is clear she is a girl. She plays cricket on a girls’ team and though they are short of numbers and has been invited to play on a boys team she refuses and campaigns instead to get more girls playing for her girls’ team. She is sporty, and very focussed. She has been successful enough in 2 sports to be considered for county team on one and national team on another. The sports are considered geeky and weird by friends and family (not me, they are my sports too - very numbers and points based sports, I love the counting and strategy side of it.)

She is quite a solitary person, preferring to spend most of her time on her own in her bedroom, where she draws a lot. (She’s very artistic.) Her bedroom is filthy, and I have trouble getting her to see that. She says if I try and get her to tidy it, she can’t concentrate if there is too much order. I am the opposite - I cannot move onto a new task if there is not order elsewhere (this leads me to get stuck in endless cycles of ‘sorting out the house’ before I can move on, and frustrates me sometimes because I feel I am up against family members who are working against me in my sorting out. Dd and her hoarding tendencies, and DH who can work in a complete pit and not notice to drive me round the bend.)

She has few friends, and does not spend much time with them. She spends time with her family only reluctantly. I worry about her social life, but she doesn’t worry about it. She has said to me in the past though that she doesn’t really like other people - they don’t get her, so she is not bothered with them. When she is with like-minded people she is very animated, to the point where she does not always pause to allow other people to get a word in. She is either holding forth in a constant stream of consciousness about her chosen topic, or withdrawn and silent if the subject doesn’t interest her, and little in between.

With regard to moral codes, both she and I see only in black and white, no shades of grey. This causes both of us to end up in arguments. I have found as I get older I get more entrenched in arguments, and cannot get out of them if I feel the other person is wrong, and I would like to be able to help my dd understand herself so that she doesn’t ever get to the point I am at, where I am considered by a lot of people to be an argumentative old bat.

She said to me one time that she thought she might be autistic because she had been reading up about it, and I said not a chance. She had decided she was a lot of things at that time, because she had been reading up on them, from being non-binary to having latent magical powers! I took much of it with a pinch of salt. Now I am not so sure if I am doing her a disservice by not considering if she might be a bit ASD. And I wonder the same a bit about myself. My sister made me sit down and do an adult online autism test because she had seen one on a TV program and done it herself, and it suggested she would benefit from further testing. On a scale, I would consider my sister fairly normal compared to me, and I would consider me to be fairly normal compared to DD, however I acknowledge all of us do not act like or live a lifestyle that you would consider normal. Not sure where to go from here, or whether I just leave it and get on with things. I don’t know whether knowing anything would benefit us - I hold down a very responsible job that requires a psychological profiling as part of my medical every year. My doctor has never mentioned anything, but I look at my mostly male colleagues and reckon that most of them have ASD traits, although most people would just describe them as geeks, and they don’t have any bother. Mostly though, I just want to give DD the best approach to life that I can, so if there is anything I could help her with I would be grateful if anyone could point me in the right direction.

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inheritancetrack · 27/01/2022 21:37

Maybe ask this question in sn children or MNetters with neuro diversity. Your daughter sounds an amazing individualistic young lady, but may need assessing?

Tellthemagain · 27/01/2022 21:43

your description of her does sound like she has ASD. I think speaking to the GP and getting a formal diagnosis will always be beneficial - ots good to understand oneself but then also know where to look for help/coping mechanisms for any issues she may have in life or to know there are others like herself.

haba · 27/01/2022 21:51

I reckon she definitely has latent magic powers Grin

She sounds awesome.

Is she coping at school and in her sports/activities without support or scaffolding from you and DH? Lots of children, but in particular girls, can become perfectionist about school work, particularly the way everything is assessed so much these days. Is it a girls'school she's at?

WhiteCatmas · 27/01/2022 21:53

She sounds like a teenager.

WeAreNotLikeTheOthers · 28/01/2022 14:48

@haba she is coping at school, but she is also an extreme perfectionist. DS who is a few years younger, and presents as a much more average child, is currently having support from school for help dealing with his ‘perfectionist traits.’ I did not highlight this to them, he is still at primary school and they looked at each child to see whether they needed any support after all the time they did home schooling and this was what the school settled on for DS. DD far exceeds any perfectionism that I see in DS. She is currently spending much of her time copying out her notes from one book to another, so that they are very neat. She is in a mixed school. School have not mentioned anything, and nor do they provide (to my knowledge) anything of that sort. She doesn’t accept support or help from either DH or I, in fact, some of her first words were ‘I can do it all by myself.’ I know that this fierce resistance to any sort of help is not necessarily useful in the long run, but she doesn’t see that yet, and I don’t think she has anything like coping mechanisms. She has success, withdrawn behaviour, or (very infrequently) rage. I had to gently lead her away from a sports competition judge last summer when the rage descended!

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bluestarthread · 08/02/2022 11:39

Apart from the messy bedroom you have just described my daughter to a tee (hair included!)
My girl is now 16, about to sit GCSE's - predicted 9's in almost everything and still fiendishly working as she does not believe she is good enough.
3 weeks ago she said she wanted to be assessed for ASD, this was a bit out of the blue. Several people at school have assumed that she is autistic and she's clever enough to do a bit of reading up on this, so I know she's thought about it a lot before making this decision. So I have spoken to the school SENCO and am right now distracting myself on mumsnet instead of filling out the assessment forms infront of me.
The more questions I answer, the more I can see that she probably is autistic, very 'high functioning', terrible social skills, very few friends and difficulty with emotions - we have had so many tears over the last few weeks. Things that I have always thought were just her being quirky or her character I am reviewing as potentially a missed sign of autism. In truth I've wondered in the past if she was on the spectrum but she never gave any indication in her youngest years of any 'red-flag' issues and it's only in more recent years that things have been difficult for her but it's not 'just' teenager issues, or the impact of lockdown, although these have really added to her woe.
I have another daugter who has had an ASD diagnosis since the age of 3, but the other end of the spectrum: non-verbal, severe learning difficulties, at a special school and will never live independently. It is hard to reconcile the 2 of them.
One thing the SENCO asked me was what we wanted to get out of a possible diagnosis. I know that the process with waiting times etc could take years but I want her to have the security of knowing that there may be a reason for her feeling different; that there may be some support available to her as she goes through college and onto university. I want her to know where her anxiety issues come from and to have some strategies to deal with them. I want her to have friends, and I want her to know and like herself for who she is. Maybe that's too much to ask for?!

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