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MackenCheese · 20/07/2021 23:03

Hello lovely mumsnetters, my son has ASD/PDA and has had a failed transition to secondary school. He startedsecondary in 2019 - a year after he was diagnosed - in a local, but very large comprehensive school. I let him go there as his junior school didn't flag anything up (the usual "he doesn't need an EHCP") and he wanted to be with his friends, a couple of whom were in his class. Then his behaviour started going wrong with meltdowns at home, detentions in school etc. We started thinking about a school move after the 1st term, but lockdown happened in term 2. His behaviour did not improve and in fact got worse with the anxiety of the pandemic and his inability to cope with home learning. The school were not helpful and I applied for an EHCP during the first lockdown, named a different, smaller school with an ASD unit/ARP and he started there in November 2020, but doesn't have an ASD place there yet.

However, he has struggled with school attendance (and again couldn't engage with home learning in the winter lockdown). Every morning it is the same hurdle to overcome. Promises and bribes just don't work. He's had 48% attendance and does no homework despite being very bright, and pretty good at maths (his full scale IQ is 125, 95th percentile)

We're thinking that he does need a special school after all and that boarding would enable them to get a handle on homework and activities of daily living. The school would have the expertise to communicate with him in the way that he needs and he could have some therapies to help with some of his mild sensory issues. I just feel like he is surviving school - at least the meltdowns at home have stopped- but he is not thriving and still says he hates school.

WIBU to try to move him to Swalcliff for year 9? I feel like time is running out and we need to get this right. He wants to work for NASA in rocket design.

Any advice very welcome. Thanks for reading!

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10brokengreenbottles · 21/07/2021 10:55

Sorry, I don't have any personal experience of Swalcliffe Park but have you looked at Breckenbrough and Alderwasley Hall?

MackenCheese · 21/07/2021 15:03

Thanj you for replying. No, I haven't heard about those 2 schools. I'll have a look!

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MackenCheese · 21/07/2021 16:05

I live in buckinghamshire, and these schools are in North Yorkshire and Derbyshire respectively, so I won't be looking into those. But thanks anyway.

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Ellie56 · 21/07/2021 18:05

I've heard good reports of Swalcliffe Park school, but you will need hard evidence to prove this is what your son needs as your LA will in all probability resist any move that is going to cost them more money.

Are you in a position to pay for independent reports?

MackenCheese · 21/07/2021 22:37

Yes , I can pay for independent reports. I have the asd assessment, OT, speech, which are 3 years old (2018) and EHCP granted in 2020. Are there any other reports you think I'll need?

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Ellie56 · 21/07/2021 23:41

You'll need more recent OT and SLT reports as the ones you've got are too old. (We had an independent EP report in 2016 for an appeal the same year but it was deemed too old for another appeal two years later, and the solicitor advised getting another one.)

You should also get an EP report. It would be wise to make enquiries now as from what I've heard all the professionals (especially the good ones) have huge long waiting lists and parents are waiting months for assessments.

In your shoes I would try to get people that are experienced in writing reports for Tribunal and who would be willing to attend as witnesses if necessary.

When is the Annual Review? If you want a change of placement the plan will need to be reviewed, so you could ask for an early AR if it is not due yet.

MackenCheese · 22/07/2021 08:13

Thanks @Ellie56, now I feel like giving up before I've started. I'll never get all these assessments done in time! The Annual review is in October 2021.
I will sit my son down and tell him my concerns and see what he wants. He's going into year 9, and I feel that his late diagnosis and all the hiccups with his transition and the pandemic will mean he'll come out if school with nothing 😭😭

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10brokengreenbottles · 22/07/2021 10:13

Don't give up! That is what LAs rely on. And, don't forget the EHCP can last until 25.

I agree with Ellie's posts. You don't need all the up to date assessments in time for the AR if you can't get them. It is likely you will have to appeal anyway so you can build your evidence whilst the LA are amending the EHCP. If you can't afford all the reports you could ask for a reassessment of needs, and then focus on getting an independent report from whoever's LA report is the worst.

Also, if you do appeal will you qualify for legal aid? If so, that can pay for assessments.

Sorry, I thought if you were considering boarding they may work.

Ellie56 · 22/07/2021 10:24

@MackenCheese

No no you mustn't give up. Unfortunately these things take time as many parents on here will testify. Request an early AR citing the struggle with school attendance which clearly shows his needs are not being met.

You could also ask for a reassessment of needs. In any case from Y9 onwards there should be consideration of what is required in preparation for adulthood.

www.ipsea.org.uk/annual-reviews-in-year-9-and-beyond

I'm not sure what you mean by "time running out" but if you mean time is running out for your son to get qualifications, that is not the case. The EHC Plan can if necessary, be in place until the age of 25.

If your son is currently finding school too stressful and cannot attend, the LA still has a statutory duty to provide him with full time education as he is of compulsory school age. (Section 19 Education Act 1996)This could be either a tutor or online learning.

Also under Section 42 of the Children & Families Act 2014 the LA also has a statutory duty to secure all the provision specified in Section F.

www.ipsea.org.uk/school-refusal

www.ipsea.org.uk/getting-temporary-education-put-in-place

MackenCheese · 22/07/2021 20:51

Thank you so much for your help. I just feel like time is running out to change school and get him into the right setting. I will have a read, calm down and take it step by step....

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Ellie56 · 22/07/2021 22:53

I will have a read, calm down and take it step by step....

Yes that's what you need to do. It may take time but you will get there. Swalcliffe takes boys up to the age of 19, so your son has bags of time yet. After age 19, you can look at specialist FE, which potentially a student can attend up to age 25.

To put things into perspective, our son was 19 when we started considering specialist provision as mainstream FE had failed him big time.

By the time we'd battled with the LA (and won) he was 21. But he went to a fabulous autism specific college for 3 years, where he was really happy and achieved far more than I ever thought possible.

MackenCheese · 24/07/2021 23:53

Thank you this is so encouraging. I will see how many tests I can get done with a view to getting his needs reassessed. He used to love school and his attendance has gone from 100% in year 6 to 48% in year 7/8 with an added EHCP.... and he hates school! I just want him to thrive and my goal is to do whatever it takes to get as close to that as possible 😕. Thanks for your kind words of support.

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Ellie56 · 25/07/2021 10:14

He hates school because it is not meeting his needs. There is a world of difference between primary and secondary school, and even some neurotypical students struggle. And the problem with a lot of MS staff is they don't understand autism and expect autistic students to just fit in with everyone else.

If our son had not gone to the fantastic secondary school in the next county that was renowned locally for SEN provision, where the SENCO and other support staff were highly knowledgeable and experienced in working with students with autism (they had links with a local autism specific special school) and where they put in virtually full time 1:1 support, and a lot of small group work, I think we would have been looking at specialist provision much earlier.

If being at school is really causing stress and high anxiety (and it sounds as though it is), while you sort out assessments and get the EHCP amended, look into getting alternative education put into place as per the link above.

Good luck. You can do this.Flowers

Dustyyy · 26/08/2021 20:52

Hi my son goes to Swalcliffe Park. It is a brilliant school and he loves it. The admission process is not easy. Have you spoken to the school yet? They will give you an idea of the reports you need and the application process.

MackenCheese · 26/08/2021 21:19

Thanks @Dustyy yes, I've had a chat with the CEO and he was helpful. It's good to hear your son is thriving there!

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MackenCheese · 26/08/2021 21:20

Thanks @Dustyy yes, I've had a chat with the CEO and he was helpful. It's good to hear your son is thriving there!

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Dustyyy · 26/08/2021 22:52

Yeah it’s been brilliant for him. Feel incredibly lucky really. I know it’s soul destroying at times but do keep persisting. Best wishes to you and your son.

MackenCheese · 27/08/2021 22:56

I hope you don't mind me asking @Dustyy if I can pm you? . I have a couple of questions about the application process. Thank you!

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mommmy90 · 14/12/2021 17:25

Hi Dusty

I am looking at Swalcliffe as an option for my 12 yr old son who has just started secondary in a grammar school. We have to move to oxford as son feels too anxious to go into residential. My son is academically very capable and will need to be stretched. Just wanted to check if it caters to the needs of academically able kids? I would be most grateful for your feedback.

Thanks much!

silvermum78 · 23/01/2022 08:59

Hi there,
I just read your post from last summer and it was like I was reading about my own son! I would love to know if you have got any further with Swalcliffe? We have only just found out about it and it sounds amazing. Our son is in year 6 and has been out of school since October. We just got an EHCP for him and are looking for where to send him for secondary. We are so desperate to get the right place as we are so fearful he will just refuse to go again if we get it wrong. I’m sure wherever we choose we will have a fight on our hands with the LA as pretty sure they will say the local secondary with support.

silvermum78 · 23/01/2022 09:00

Sorry, I didn’t say that was to Mackencheese!

mommmy90 · 24/01/2022 15:48

@Dustyyy, @MackenCheese , Hi please can you let me know if the placement was a day or residential one? I am looking at a day placement and I am a bit worried about my son ending up in a local comprehensive school if he doesn't get into Swalcliffe. Were your sons out of school for very long? I was told by the CEO that most of the students have been out of school for long before they started Swalcliffe.

MackenCheese · 24/01/2022 16:03

@silvermum78

Hi there, I just read your post from last summer and it was like I was reading about my own son! I would love to know if you have got any further with Swalcliffe? We have only just found out about it and it sounds amazing. Our son is in year 6 and has been out of school since October. We just got an EHCP for him and are looking for where to send him for secondary. We are so desperate to get the right place as we are so fearful he will just refuse to go again if we get it wrong. I’m sure wherever we choose we will have a fight on our hands with the LA as pretty sure they will say the local secondary with support.
Hi @silvermum78 sorry I didn´t see your post before now. We haven´t got any further, but we have had an up to date SALT assessment (waiting for the report) and a new ed. Psych this week, so things are moving forwards. We also got a lawyer and have just put in an appeal to the SEND Tribunal against the amended EHCP, which named the mainstream school despite the same mainstream school saying at the review they couldn´t meet needs Shock. Anyway we named a different SEN school, and with the shortage of special school places- esp. for the able kids with SEN- we will get around to Swalcliffe when we have exhausted nearer options.

Meanwhile DS has been out of school since July 2021....and a long way to go before he sets foot in a school I suspect Sad

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MackenCheese · 24/01/2022 16:06

Hi @mommmy90 I was looking for a residential place, which is why I suspect the LA will try to exhaust nearer schools before Swalcliffe Park, which is an hour from where we live. Having said that, when the Ed Psych sees DS later this week, he may well recommend that Swalcliffe is the perfect fit. I have to listen to the experts on this one....

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Dustyyy · 24/01/2022 16:12

My son started as day but is now residential. He was out of school on and off in year 6 and started at Swalcliffe in year 7. However we had been negotiating with the LA since the year 5 annual review as I knew he wouldn’t manage in mainstream. I got independent reports in year 6 which I presented at his year 6 transition annual review. I visited all local schools and argued why each was unsuitable. I had to go to tribunal but thankfully the LA conceded a few days before it went to court (I had a legal team representing us). My is now in year 12. Everyone I know has had a difficult journey and a battle to get a place.
For the earlier poster, the academic levels of students vary, most are fairly able. Some students do functional skills level and go on to college courses (E.g. hospitality and catering), others do GCSEs and go on to A levels or Uni.

This is a new video tour of the school here: