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Aspergers with no steriotyped or repetative behavior

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hmb · 04/11/2004 19:43

If it possible to have a case of Aspergers in a teenager who does not show any steriotyped or repetative behaviours? In other words do some teen agers with aspergers become able to supress this behaviour?

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mrsforgetful · 04/11/2004 22:06

I was actually expecting them to interview YOU on R4 Y&Y 'Autism Month'...or Jim Jams...either of you would have been excellentx

Oh Hail thee oh Davros/JimJams.....we bow down to thee oh masters!

OK...i have taken too much of this thread...I WILL behave now! ;)

mrsforgetful · 04/11/2004 22:10

yes bh- it's leigh...though the SALT is hinting at AS...but as we know there is a fine line between the two...so i will just try to sort out the distress that 'whatever' is causing!!!

I'm still treated for depression...and i know there is more to it...but everytime i try to persuade the psychologist about something in my childhood...she seems to say that i only felt that way due to my parents.....i honestly believe finally that my parents simply had a daughter that they couldn't get through/bond to....and i'm sure i know why that was!

coppertop · 04/11/2004 22:12

Oooh you name-droppers, you!

BH - I've heard that people with AS can 'lie' in the sense that what they say isn't actually the truth but they have convinced themselves that it really is the truth so it's not quite the same as the conventional "I know that this is a lie but I'll say it anyway" kind of lying.

I'm really not making much sense today!

blossomhill · 04/11/2004 22:12

I really wouldn't be surprised if my dd was dx with Aspergers in the end but all of the pros say def. not an asd. Evenl ast week the paed. said no. More like adhd and language disorder. I however am not so sure.

beccaboo · 04/11/2004 22:15

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blossomhill · 04/11/2004 22:19

Beccaboo - Funnily enough dd has never lined things up or been obsessive. She is just very quirky but that is what everyone loves about her!

Davros · 04/11/2004 22:28

I think people with AS and ASD can lie. There was a long thread on it once on the ME-List, the best ABA list in the world (advert!), mostly US but worldwide. Many, many examples of AS and ASD people telling lies. I expect its one of the cliches like not being affectionate.

blossomhill · 04/11/2004 22:30

That's very interesting Davros as all of the parents I have met with children with AS/asd have said they simply cannot lie!

jakbrown · 05/11/2004 00:08

Have just got on here after a bottle of wine with a very good friend .
Well, I agree that I am humbled by Davros and Jimjams- consistently intelligent posts, always spot on (particularly when subtly telling people to p* off).
Anyway, I have a friend who has a daughter who has AS and can most definitely lie most marvellously (DH and I had her and her brother for the weekend whilst her parents went to Paris-away together for the first time in 8 years). She lied about hitting her brother (even though I witnessed it, unbeknown to her), among other things. Think Davros may be right- it may be one of those cliches (my severely autistic daughter gave me the most amazing cuddle plus eye contact today).

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hmb · 05/11/2004 06:27

I have to chat with the girl today about telling some whoppers, so the question about lying is quite apt. She lies as a matter of routine, to get out of trouble or just to get what she wants. She has to be 'called' on this one as it has safety considerations.

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Davros · 05/11/2004 09:21

One of the things I've noticed with the couple of people with AS I know is that they have a VERY vivid imagination, inappropriately so, maybe lying is an extension of this. I do think that my sister often genuinely believed some of the whoppers she told and she often believed things had happened to her and told other people so, when they had happened to other people and she'd heard about it. Me and my other sister could often trace where her ideas/lies came from.
Oooer, don't think I've ever humbled anyone before but after a bottle of wine.......

jakbrown · 05/11/2004 09:30

Eek!!!! Not a good idea to go on here when one is drunk! .
But do mean it, find your posts V intersting, gush, gush, gush...
I'll shut up now...

maddiemo · 05/11/2004 09:30

My friends son has AS and tells lots of lies. He seems to do it as an avoidance tactic.
He also tells lots of tall stories joining different events and time scales together. His mum finds it very hard to know when to belive him and it causes quite a lot of confusion at school.

Jimjams · 05/11/2004 09:34

Goodness do I tell people to piss off subtly It's the subtle bit that amazes me.

I agree with Davros that I think the idea that autistic people can't lie is a bit of an untrue cliche. Same as autistic people don't have a sense of humour. DS1 has a very well developed one- been teasing me since he was 2 years old - he thinks its hilarious to pretend to do something you've told him not to.

So Mike Stanton has poor eye contact?? He has a good sense of humour though

mrsforgetful · 05/11/2004 09:56

the lying thing is definitely present with tom...however it's not the same as a NT person....i believe he does have a vivid imagination...and sometimes confuses reality with this....not deliberately so.
this morning he said that apparently his teacher had said
"now Tome,its fine with me if you want to bring in your pokemon cards on any day but a thursday,monday,tuesday and wednesda" (!)
so i said
"so he means ok on a friday does he?'
he said yes...then started to add a list of all the other things he was allowed to take.... had to clarify with him that his teacher hadn't actually listed all those things as his teacher wouldn't have known he had all those things...etc

he then admitted that all his teacher had actually said was "Tom-on fridays you can bring in something that you enjoy-to use during 'privilege time'

Now obviously this 'lying' is not serious but i think it shows how his imagination plays a part!

and he used to tease me too jimjams when he was younger- it is actually something i look back on with alot of warmness- as it's a bit like the child with chocolate round their face saying they haven't eaten the chocolate....tom would deny etc something despite being caught redhanded etc!

I think this links to the theory of mind stuff too!

leigh however being 'rule bound' doesn't lie as such...but he definiotely cheats at games...like if he's playing with cards he will sneakily give me all the 'bad ones' or if it's cars he would give me the slowest....then i would pretend to be amazed that i was having such bad luck and he'd try to hide his guilt!!!(usually a massive grin that he'd try to hide!)

but again nothing major.....and now io remind them that it's ok(?IYSWIM) to 'cheat' or 'fib' with me....but with friends etc they may feel hurt and not see the funny side.

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