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Here are some suggested organisations that offer expert advice on special needs.

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Ho hum potentially very dangerous (death causing) behaviour- what to do?

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Jimjams2 · 25/08/2006 11:31

DS1 is very interested in our back fence, there'sa massive -at least 30 foot- drop behind- our garden is at the level of the next street's roofs. At the moment he's trying to climb it to look over the top, but isn't trying that hard- preferring to get one of us to lift him up.

I can't keep him out of the garden as he can open our back door- am trying to get a quote for a new back door but workmen mutter mutter etc. At the moment I am lifting him up myself, my theory being that he;ll eventually get bored, and if I'm lifting him he won't try too hard to climb himself.

Other idea welcomed- the thought of him going over it horrifies me- honestly he would be dead.

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Jimjams2 · 25/08/2006 15:30

unfortunately it's just a mess at the moment misdee. needs lots of work And all our attempts at safety don't really complement the original features When does school start again?

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MrsFio · 25/08/2006 15:36

we wouldnt have bought this house if dd had of been older either!! I have to at least think of it as an investment now to stop myself getting completely pissed off with it.

have you tried the OT part of SS? As mine are pretty crap all round as you know, but OT adaptations part came out and completed the work within a few weeks. i know he will be back at school by then, but it would help for next hols at least (?)

wish we lived closer as my dh is at least a whizz at at diy and could have come and helped

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Jimjams2 · 25/08/2006 15:40

That's an idea. Will see what I can find out. Think its a case of waiting 3 years for an OT SW though. I would ring my SW for advice, except I no longer have one .

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MrsFio · 25/08/2006 15:43

me neither

great isnt it!!!!

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Jimjams2 · 25/08/2006 15:44

It's a bloody joke, like everything to do with SS or health or education.

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maddiemostmerry · 25/08/2006 16:26

Would the texture of something like anti- climb paint put him off, if you painted aroundthe top two feet so the little ones couldn't touch it. I guess this wouldn't be practical as there is too much chance of hime ingesting it.

We do have barbed wire on our fences.

Something he dislikes near the fence or would that be too distressing?

TBH I think maybe the the netting used on houses which back on to football pictures and the like is the best suggestion.

The lack of ablility to learn through experience or to be so compelled to do something that is so dangerous is awful.
We have a bright shiny light touching problem and burnt fingers don't seem to over ride the desire to touch.

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Jimjams2 · 25/08/2006 16:28

oh we had a light tounching one for a few days- but it did go quickly thank god. . We also had a long term "pressing the nose against the oven to peer in even when its on" compulsion for a long time- which meant he had a burned red tipped nose for months.

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moondog · 25/08/2006 18:25

What about those retired engineers who do this sort of stuff for free?
Gah,what are they called,REMAP I think???

They made some fabulous stuff for people I work with.

A project like this would be right up their street.

suejonez · 25/08/2006 18:50

you can buy plastic spiky things to go on top of fences which are mounted on rollers. They're not as viscious as barbed wire and if you try to climb on them they roll around (like a toilet roll holder) so you can't get a grip on them to climb over.

Have no idea how expensive they are though.

Will see if I can google them for you.

suejonez · 25/08/2006 18:55

variety of fence security

southeastastra · 25/08/2006 18:59

the roller looks good like something out of takeshi's castle

PeachyClairHasBadHair · 25/08/2006 19:14

rose bushes three feet from fence up to fence (my Grandad does this as a burglar deterrant- only house in road not burgled. Might be coz he's a mad old so and so though and scares everyone off LOL)

Bolts on back door, wilkinsons sell them for a few pounds- we did this to kitchen to keep Sam out when he was raing the knife drawer

Call the Counvcil, tell them it's a H&S risk (Social Services actually)... my friend is having her garden redone (she has 2 autistic kids) because of steps with no railings- this is at no charge to her

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Jimjams2 · 25/08/2006 19:22

aren';t they closing remap. another of my bug bears, oh no I'm thinking of remploy. Yes remap might be an idea, will check out their website.

I think planting something won't work because our garden is too small. Originally we did have lots of bushes etc in the way but we removed them (when he was smaller and passive and the idea of him climbing was unthinkable) because it left very little space to play.

Will see what double glazing man ahs to offer tomorrow, if no go will be begging my dad to fit some sort of lock with removeable key to our ropy back door.

To top it all off- saw a RAT in the garden!!!!!

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PeachyClairHasBadHair · 25/08/2006 19:29

Couldn't you at least grow a spiky climber against the fence- a climbing rose is spiky yet wouldn't really take any space

PeachyClairHasBadHair · 25/08/2006 19:29

(or dig a two foot deep trench just this side of fence- attractive no, useful oh yes)

albatros · 25/08/2006 19:38

This sounds really mean but how about planting a 30cm wide strip of stinging nettles, or if you havent got space brambles/ blackberries trainned along the fence, very easy to do just put up a few lengths of strong wire, plant afew brambles and wearing gloves tie them to the wire as they grow. You can also enjoy picking them. You can get some nice vareities of blackberry / tayberry etc but the blackberry that grows wild is the most robust and fastest growing one I know. This is a cheap option and takes up very little room as they grow up not out. I've just thought the nettles wouldn't be any good for the winter as they die back.

bluebear · 25/08/2006 19:42

Does he like or loathe any particular textures? Would something like paint with sand in, make any difference. (My ds does not 'do' sandy textures).

Otherwise I would try loose-ish netting on inward sloping supports. (Loose so it wobbles rather than provides foot/hand grips for higher climbing)

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Jimjams2 · 25/08/2006 20:17

Stinging nettles would be no good for ds3 either

I've emailed remap so thanks for that idea Moondog, asked them for suggestions if they can't help.

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Saker · 25/08/2006 20:24

Although the back door will provide a temporary solution it seems a shame if he can't play in the garden at all. I wondered if adding a second fence of some sort of swimming pool fencing that is hard to climb would work as a longer term solution. e.g this or this .

emmalou78 · 26/08/2006 22:36

jimjams..

a higher fence, some barbed wire, a trench along the garden perimeter, all sound like very good ideas... I hope you can get a new door sorted, and that your ds gets over his fence scaling fixation unscathed, I'd chain ds2 to my leg to keep an eye on his in the same situation.

take care

emma x

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Jimjams2 · 26/08/2006 22:47

Dh has pointed out (as I think tamum did earlier) that barbed wire will be too dangerous as ds1 won't realise its nasty stuff. Today he's worked out how to get on a ledge on the fence that borders the neughbours. So far he has just dropped stuff over the fence, but he could climb over. If he's going to go over those neughbours are the "best" ones to go over into, but it still gives me the eeby jeebies.

Have ordered a new back door- at hideous expense (although that's not that great- he got onto the neighbours fence today when I was in the garden, dealing with with washing and ds3). At once stage today dh suddenly screamed " where's ds1 I thought he was with you he;s not in the garden" and we ran around the house madly before finding him playing nicely with a toy bus in his room. I can tell I am going to visibly age during this phase. The the f* do they stop climbing?

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octavia · 27/08/2006 10:23

www.harrodhorticultural.com
I don't know if this will help but in our local newspaper we have odd job men who are able to do alsorts of jobs.Would this be possible for you.Dh (who would be round like a shot if we lived nearer,we're in Buckinghamshire) said netting would be the simplest and quickest solution as you can attached taut to exsisting fences and only need batons placed. Have included the website as it shows different types of netting available.I do feel for you.

Christie · 27/08/2006 10:44

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emmalou78 · 27/08/2006 11:03

Soory, jimjams barbed wire would be dangerous yes.... now I htink about WHAT barbed wire is.. Maybe just a good sturdy wire coil along the top of the fence?, or netting of some description.

I consider a large cage or enlosure some days for the boys, like monkeys have at the zoo but our garden just isn't big enough.

Do the family fund give money for fences and such like?, I have no idea about what SS can offer as we're not involved with them.

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Jimjams2 · 27/08/2006 14:58

Did stop for a while christie but has been at it agian today- although we have a new behavioural problem- am about to start a thread........

Thanks for the link octavia- I do know a good carpenter so I think I might try him after the bank holiday.....

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