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RexandBen · 05/02/2004 20:15

I have heard that Montessori nurseries are very good for children with autism because of the structure and routine. Does anyone have any experience of this?

We are hoping to put DS1 into a nursery 2 mornings/wk with one of his tutors as a shadow as part of his ABA programme.

Any ideas?

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AndreaCullen · 05/02/2004 22:21

Hi Rex and Ben
I am a special Ed. teacher in a mainstream school here in Ireland, we encourage our children at pre-school age attending the ABA programme to attend Montessori pre-school a couple of days a week.
The local Montessori is very well run and the teacher is lovely,
Why don't you go and have a chat with the Montessori school teacher to see how it would run
for your son?

I personally would certainly only see it as beneficial, it would begin a good base for social interaction skills etc...
Best of luck
Hope this helps
Andrea

fio2 · 05/02/2004 22:37

my dd is not autistic but had sn and we tried a montessori nursery first with her, and for want of a better word, it was awful. But I am sure all nurseries differ. Sorry that isnt very helpful but my friends son who is autistic went to the same nursery and they just couldnt cope with him.

jmg · 05/02/2004 22:44

The montessori school that my DD went to and my DS now attends had an autistic child there at the same time as my DD went. The nursery staff (the two main teachers actually own the nursery) were really good with this child. They set the boundaries for all the children and all the children SN and NT all fitted in with those boundaries. He was not treated like a special case which I think has served him well as he is now settled well at a mainstream primary school.

What really strikes me as different is the way that the other children and adults, just accepted the way he was. Some of the SN threads on mumsnet upset me because the SN children are not treated the same as their NT peers - e.g. party invites, invites home for tea etc. That was not at all my experience with this child. He was invited to all the birthday parties and his mother chose whether to attend on the day, depending on his mood, which all of us understood and didn't feel let down on the day if they didn't turn up. He had two birthday parties whilst he was at the nursury and they both had full turnouts by the other children. He was part of the tea after school thing - he came to our house at least as often as any of the other children and we went to his in the same way. What facilitated this was, I believe, the way the nursery treated him - i.e. they treated him the same as everyone else so the adults and the other children did too.

He also had a part in the nursery nativity play - no silly exclusions here either - whether by design or not he was given a non-speaking role which did not place him under too much strain (co-incidently or not my very speech delayed DS was also given a non-speaking role which again helped him enjoy his first nativity without being under pressure to speak!).

Whether this was the montessori way or just two sensible teachers I don't know.

In terms of the montessori teaching principles there are two that were particularly helpful to this child.

1 - the children are taught that things need to be put back exactly as they were, on the same shelf in the same position and in exactly the way they were at the start of play. So if you take the flour and lentil mix down to sieve it, it goes back in the same place and if you've spilt some you tidy it up and replace it from the pots set out on the shelf. I'm not sure if your DS is the same but this child used to melt down if things were not as he expected and this really really helped him.

  1. The children set their 'work' out on mats on the table. If another child comes along and wants to join in their activity the child is given the choice as to whether they want someone to join in. No pressure is put on the child to 'share' in fact if anything sharing is somewhat discouraged - seen as a bit rude to interrupt someone else's work!!!! This again, was enormously beneficial to the autistic child - he didn't have to cope with the social angst and uncertainty of having another child thrust upon him which may at some points have been a trigger for meltdown.

I'm so sorry to have made this so long but I do hope it helps!

Jimjams · 06/02/2004 07:39

RexandBen- I suspect the success of integration depends more on the view of the people wo run the nursery rather than the nurseery's particular philosophy.

The first nursery ds1 attended at 18 months pre dx was a disaster. Awful awful place. He wasn't disruptive, but he was odd (preferred to look at a book than sit in a circle etc).

The nursery he has been going to for the last couple of years has been excellent-very warm, and very adaptable.

More than anythiing you need a warm caring place where the staff aren't phased by autism. My son would have had difficulty doing the group stuff, waiting etc in any nursery- no matter how structured- if a nursery had been unable to cope with the occasional full blown meltdown then it would have been useless.

If your son is going in with his own worker then it will be possible to provide a structured environment wherever he goes.

if you can get a good montessori then great, but otherwise just look for an accomodating, warm, caring nursery. I tend to think that smaller nurseries can be better for our kids.

Jimjams · 06/02/2004 07:47

fazed even. That's the most important thing. A place where the staff aren't scared of meltdowns (if they are they react inaappropriately imo), and understand that screaming is just another form of communication

I dropped ds1 off at nursery last week and heard a little boy say to his mum "that's XXXX(ds1)" Mum said "oh is it?" Little boy said "XXX is very loud" He's obviously his normal self there thene

Davros · 06/02/2004 09:15

I've heard mixed views on Montessori and ASD/ABA. I think what everyone has said is right, it really depends on the school and the staff. I think the structure of Montessori sounds good but the children seem to be expected to be quite idpendent and able to make decisions (even if its only can someone join them in their activity). This should be OK though with a good school shadow, another key thing in how it will work. Steiner schools also get talked about but not sure about those in practice rather than theory. We've got a Steiner nursery on our doorstep and it would have been completely unsuitable for my ASD son, quite high expectations of the children, their ability to interact, make choices etc.

Thomcat · 09/02/2004 11:36

RexandBex, I have no experience in autism but just wanted to add that I have long been on the hunt for the pre-school that felt right for my little girl (now 2 and 2 months and has Down syndrome).

When I found a local Montessori school I knew immediatley that I had ended my search. I loved the structure of it and thought it would be great for her. I loved the fact that they believed in one on one reading, and teaching them to write and just felt that she would really benefit fom a bit of a head start in that area.

At the end of the day though it's what feels right for you, I love the idea behind Montessori and think it will work really well for my little girl, that and the fact that the teachers didn't go into a blind panic at the fact that she can't walk or stand up.

RexandBen · 09/02/2004 20:28

Thanks very much to everyone for all your advice

I am looking at two different Montessori schools on thursday and friday - I'll let you know what I think of them...

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RexandBen · 14/02/2004 14:32

well i went to see the first nursery on thursday. On the phone the headmistress said they had places coming up next term (great! I thought) I then told them about Ds1's autism and she cooled off abit. Anyway we went to visit and it was nice enough, but the head was very unfriendly and hey - guess what - all of a sudden they are fully booked up this year and next! This was my first proper experience of discrimination

Anyway, the second nursery was lovely and they were very keen to take Ds1 on and we all had a long discussion about autism and their experiences with it. They were also open to the suggestion of a tutor going along with Ds1 if necessary. So we have a place guarunteed for September!!!!

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eidsvold · 14/02/2004 14:37

that is excellent news Rexand Ben - shame about the first head.... her loss.... shame she is afraid.

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