Primary school what does a standardised score of 81 mean

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Can anyone help me?

DD has just switched from primary to secondary and we have been given her school passport which says that the primary feedback she is Emerging/Expected.

She has SEN (we are just appealing a refusal to access for an EHCP)

Her most recent assessment at primary she got 81 standardised score which I understand to be V low on about the 9th percentile?
She was at 83 a few years ago which is about the 16th percentile?

Am I correct in thinking this is not emerging or expected?

It's probably irrelevant now as she is at secondary but I also think she needs to start this school with the correct information for them to have the full picture and help her.

Hi, we're moving this thread over to our SEN board for the OP. Thanks to everyone who's responded so far.

Thanks @DawnMumsnet

I've just had an email from secondary as feedback to them the paperwork say emerging/expected but isn't that normally above 100 and they are amending their records

So it appears that it isn't, it is so frustrating as the whole system seems to be set up to make you doubt yourself.

We've spent years waiting for a diagnosis ( which we eventually paid for) as we knew something wasn't quite right in order for her to get the evidence to get the support she needs to thrive and now we are still having to push and fight.

So when they diagnosed dyslexia and dyscalclia what were her strength areas and top scores (I.e potential) my childrens scores range from below 1% to top 1%, but others don't vary so much, but clear weakness in phonological and word read. If scoring in the low average you need to prove potential, with the areas of strength and high potential not average, to show the gap between achievement with the support and what might be possible

Thanks take I hadn't thought of doing that.

I would ask for a meeting with the schools SENDCO. If you believe that your daughter might be in need of an EHCP in the future, I would be asking the SENDCO now whether the borough accepts diagnosis from private psychologists. Many don't and insist on their Ed Psych or preferred service. It will be frustrating for you to start a process and then get caught up on the need for this requirement especially when there is a waiting list and Ed psychs are in short supply.

I would be also enquire with the school whether they plan to do testing which gives them national benchmarks. Many schools are using GLS CAT4 to set the baseline data for new intake. CAT4 not only predicts what a child is likely to achieve at GCSE but also what they would have been likely to achieve had they taken key stage 2 SATs. This might give help you reflect on the accuracy of previous assessments.

The standardised scores alone don't provide proof someone needs an EHCP.

The above posters are right in sating that 81 is low normal rather than exceptionally low BUT you can get an EHCP with higher scores (my daughters vary from low 80s to 141 depending on what's being tested.) An ECHP is awarded when SEN needed affect learning to such an extent that the child can't be catered for with normal school SEN support. What was clear in my daughters case was that she had slipped over three or four years from exceeding in all areas to average, at best, plus struggling so hard with school refusal that she was completely out of school by the time they assessed.

Autism, SPD, Dyslexia and Dyscalculia certainly would be enough to get an assessment for an EHCP. A good EP will see through masking. Personally I'd make a parental application if school won't. It takes a long time, especially if you have to appeal, and children with those difficulties will sometimes find year 7 really difficult and the cracks will show - those are the things that you, the teachers and the LA EP need to pick up and decide if an EHCP is needed. The school may persuade you to wait but if, like us, you wait until your child can't attend school you face up to a year without a school.

Thanks sprongle we have already applied for and are appealing a refusal to assess EHCP wise as she is/was slipping down and against her peers the gap seems to be widening even with the max support that school can offer. Plus extra tution outside of school.
Which means that if school are offering all they can the next step is getting an assessment to see what further support she can be given.

She needs a lot of input with homework and in the past I've probably helped her to much (sounds bad as you want to help your children) but that doesn't help our case as I've had teachers go well x/y piece of work was great and no matter how much I tried to explain that that short piece had taken me working with her for hours to achieve they didn't seem to listen. So now I'm helping her but trying to step back a little just so we have some evidence of how much she struggles.

Hopefully the appeal will be a success I don't think the LA helped their case as they state one of the reasons for refusal was she has 100% attendance which is completely irrelevant to if she needs extra support, it just shows we know she needs to be at school all the time because of her struggling.

I expect with the more complex syllabus in secondary she will slip right down, I really wish I could help her more she's such a lovely kid and tries so hard.