'Sleep is for the Weak' for anyone with August/Sep 06 DC's

[justJAM]

GM, Cruise and anyone else with LO's born around August/September 06' - this is a support thread for when you have no clue as to why your LO is doing the exact opposite to what they were doing last week and when you are thinking WTF????
Post on here and we shall all compare notes and comfort each other!!

[gingerninja]

Mornin'
My night was improved, not quite to the same standards as yours JJ but it felt better. The evening was unsettled where she kept waking absolutely howling in somekind of distress (if she was older I'd have thought it was a bad dream!)It's weird because she didn't completely wake up and popping the dummy back in seemed to satisfy her for a while (she sometimes does this during the day too). Anyway, she woke about 10.15 fed and settled down (not straight away) until about 12. Woke, popped dummy in. Woke again at 2.30. Fed. Woke again at 4.30, popped dummy in. Woke at 5.30. Fed. Slept with me until 7.30 so not perfect but an improvement I felt.

I'm going to post a message on the health board but she had traces of blood in her poo this morning. We've had this on three or four other occassions. Dr. thought she might be constipated which I thought was a load of rubbish because she's totally BF and her poos are far short of constipation. Plus she seems to opperate a one in one out policy. Anyway, don't know if there is a connection. Seems to be quite happy otherwise.

[justJAM]

Hi Ginger, glad you had a better night too
I would post on health, am sure it is nothing to worry about but I bet it will put your mind at rest.

When is this shitty weather gong to pass??? makes me feel all

[2labs]

Hello there, ds is 23.5 weeks and currently having an interesting time in his cot at night too. He went through a blissful period at about 3-4 months when he would go to sleep at 6.30pm and wake at 7am without even a dreamfeed . However, it was 'just a phase' . Last night he was up every half hour till about midnight, then 2.30 (fed him), 4.30, 5, 6.15 (fed him again) then amazingly down again till 8.30... He is doing this odd cry where he whines with his mouth tight shut, so my guess is it's his as-yet-nonexistent teeth, but what do I know? Every time he has one of these wakeful periods I come up with a different reason why it might be .

Thanks for this thread - it's strangely comforting to know there are other bleary-eyed mums up at 2.30. Last night I was so out of it I tried to bf him the wrong way round (boob was ready to feed his feet ).

[justJAM]

pmsl 2labs and feeding feet!!!
welcome to the "it's just a phase club"

[gingerninja]

2labs, Glad to know I'm not the only one up all night!!
My LO is also doing the closed mouth squeal. She's definately got teeth on the way. How long does the teething thing go on?

We've got a sleeping baby on the sofa. Chickened out on the cot again this lunch time. It's so much easier to plonk her on the sofa and potter about while she settles herself rather than have to hang over her cot patting her. I think this way she feels like she's not missing out on too much and so will happily take 40 winks.

Anything for an easy life.

[IntergalacticWalrus]

DS2, birn in September, sleeps for 12 hours a night [smug emoticon]

I don;t know why or how but he does.

Now, before you all start telling me to eff off, DS1, born 25 months ago, wakes up at 4 30 am and bounces off the walls. I work 5 evenings a week, so I'm bloody buggered!

I remeber when DS1 was 4/5 months old though, he was an awful sleepr. I think that was when he was at his worst. He definitely started to imporove by 6 months.

The early waking is a recent thing, since he went into a bed.

See what you've got to look forward to?

[IntergalacticWalrus]

Erm, ginganinja, I'm sorrt to say the teething thing lasts until they have all their teeth! (DS1 has still got his molars to come through)

[cruisemum1]

jj- with you on the vote for better weather! I was feeling rather smug this morning thnking that I would put ds in his cot for his nap and stay inside all cosy warm. Wrong . I didn't have to go out but I did have to push his buggy up and downthe hallway for 10mins! An improvemnt I guess nonetheless . Re your nightwakings. Even though your lo woke a couple of times during the night you should be proud of hte 7 hours leading up to it! Fantastic .
Ginger - I am convinced that when our lo's cry in distress or apparent pain, it is the pain and frustration of waking up that causes them to cry not anything more. That's my theory anyway.RE: the blood in poo. I would defo get it checked out by the docs/hv. Prob nothing more than a ruptured blood vessel but worth checking in any case. Keep us posted. Sounds like you had a hectic night . Hope tonight is better for you
Mine seem to be improving gradually, with ds asleep by 7:30pm waking at 10:00pm, 1:15am and then grizzling around 6:15am but settling himself . I really want to avoid bf him to sleep each time so I am determined to let him grizzle himself back to sleep when he wakes for the 2nd time each night. He is not hungry - just wanting a suck and I am not a dummy, I am not a dummy, I am not a dummy..........

[justJAM]

wow cruise your DS has improved loads (thinking back to past posts) so you must be doing something very right
I know I'm lucky really, my friend said that DD is a brilliant sleeper as some babies go..I think I just find it odd that she was fantastic for 2 months and now is starting to go squiffy, I just don't want to encourage it IYKWIM...my DH says I want the moon on a stick

I think we are on the right track with teeth/development affecting the nights and it's a case of riding it out.

ginger - I vote let your DD nap wherever she wants - time enough for the cot business - happy DD is more important. As I said I took the napping in cot thing v slowly, even though people in RL were saying to me "just put her in there and she'll soon learn" sorry, I don't 'do' leaving babies to cry.

[NbgsYellowFeathers]

Hi everyone
We had a slightly better night. Ds woke at midnight, 2:30am and then 6:30am. Better than every hour I guess!
I saw my HV today who is fab and has recommended a few things for me.
Firstly to put him in his own room to avoid waking each other up and to see whether he can settle himself, elevating him in his cot because his incisors are coming through and apparently it irritates babies when they are teething to be laying on their backs, also to keep on with the weaning, she said it wouldn't fill him loads but just give him a bit more to go on.

So with all that in mind we're going to keep going. She also said, she thinks keeping in the bedroom to feed him is better than taking him out of the room otherwise it gives him mixed signals about waking and sleeping times.

[hunkermunker]

Hello.

I have a Jan 06 baby who also thinks sleep is for the weak.

I won't be joining you, because I'm too tired

Good luck in cracking it before I do...!

[NbgsYellowFeathers]

lol hunker. That doesnt give us much hope

[cc21]

Just wanted to join the fun .
DD born August 06, and is pants at sleeping day and night! Thought I'd cracked it the other day when instead of being a human dummy I 'shussed' her back to sleep at 1am. To my surprise she slept till 8. Similar the following night.

I thought that I had it cracked and was bragging how I had her sussed ...oh no. She's back to waking 2/3 times wanting feeding, spitting out water (I should know she's not that stupid but it was worth a try!). If only she'd let me sleep during the day but naps are another long story I'm too tired to go into right now...moan over just glad to hear I'm not alone

[kbaby]

aNOTHER DREADFUL NIGHT HERE.

DS fed at 7.30 and then woke at 12pm, I fed him but he was wide awake and wouldnt sleep. In the end out of desperation as I was so tired from the night before I gave him medised at 2am. He did then eventually sleep until 6.30am.

Its so annoying as he was sleeping better as a newborn.

On a plus side though he went in his cot AWAKE last night and put himself to sleep and has done for his naps today which have lasted 1 WHOLE hour each!!!!!!!!!

[justJAM]

welcome cc21 - although I still have sooooo much guilt about only managing to breast feed a couple of days I have to say the only plus I can see is that at least DH can do a nightfeed if needed. It must be very hard on BF mums and although I'm as the closeness that BF brings I don't the sole responsibilty.

[justJAM]

great news on DS going down awake and putting himself to sleep kbaby !!!

[cruisemum1]

kbaby - I feel for you, I really do. Sending big hugs but Major Congrats on lo settling himself to sleep! I would LOVE ds to do that at night. he is OK in the day as we are on the move usually but nights are a breastfest until sleep takes over and/or he is so full he is uncomfortable. What is your secret???
cc21 - you are not alone by any means! Sounds like you are a human dummy too . I guess we should kick back and enjoy really as it won't be forever but...... I am seriously wondering what will happen when I stop bf at 6mths. How on earth will my lo get to sleep at night then? It does stress me out sometimes but then I kind of live in the ridiculous hope that the problem with disappear! This might be revenge form mother nature because a friend of mine bf for 18mths at night just to get her dd to go to sleep and I was unsupportive and saying that she should jsut withdraw the boob and let her get on with it . Funny how these things come back and bite you on the bum

[gingerninja]

Hi CC21, getting DD to nap during the day was my entire life for weeks and I became so miserable and obsessed about it that I decided enough was enough. Stuff the get them to sleep for 2 hours twice a day in their cots type routine. She only ever wanted to sleep for 30 minutes at a time and despite following all the rules about watching for signs of tiredness, the same routine for each nap etc etc she never went back to sleep. Now, if I'm at home I settle her on the sofa while I potter about or put her in the buggy and go out. Touch wood life is a lot easier even though I'd prefer her to sleep longer. Sometimes she suprises me with an epic 3 hour sleep. I'm sure I'll regret this once she starts getting up off the sofa!

Kbaby, much as I don't wish sleepless nights on anyone. There is some comfort in knowing you're not alone isn't there?

Walrus at DS2, although it sounds only fair if DS1 is driving you bonkers. Can't imagine wanting a second at the moment. Presumably you forget about the agony of sleepless nights?

Well, she's asleep and has only woken briefly twice since going down at 7. Here's to some shut eye this evening.

[cruisemum1]

Well, last night was an improvement on previous nights so maybe I am getting there . ds was asleep in cot by 7:30pm (after a fussy period). he woke at 10pm (when dh came home nad went into the bedroom to get changed (same happened the night before strangely enough though he swears he wss not responsible for the wakings...2 nights in a row??????).
Anyway, i fed ds, he slept till 4am, fed and then he woke at 7am. I think that was pretty good! Fingers crossed for all of us. Hope you are managing to get some rest.

[justJAM]

sounds good cruise!! (DH's will always say it wasn't them ) - DD had a good night, in bed by 7 and through till 6, but she is not too good today, had her jabs yesterday and was fine, but has woken today realllllyy quiet but grizzly, did anyone else have this after their LO's 4 month jabs, just wondering if it's that or is she coming down with a cold???
hmmmm maybe that's why she slept last night, wasn't feeling too good.

[caygill132]

I'm not Aug/Sep 06 but she was born July 24th so that's near enough isn't it. Anyway just wanted to say it doesn't get any easier...sorry. My dd used to be so good at sleeping she would have 30mins at 9am, 2hrs at 12am & 15mins or so at 4-5pm, she would sleep at 7pm, dreamfeed at 10pm (bf), wake at around 4am for a 10min feed then sleep until 7.30am. All her sleeps she would go down awake and go to sleep after 5 mins whinging. Then at xmas we introduced solids and all hell has broken loose. She won't sleep on a morning, has 1hr if we are lucky at lunch and no nap pm, she takes 1hr20mins to settle on a night, last night woke at 9pm, 12am, 2am & won't go back to sleep for an hour or so, then up this morning 7.30am..wide awake kicking her legs & ready for her day. Same can't be said for me and dh. Don't know if it has anything to do with the solids but strange coincidence if not. During the night when I pick her up she always has wind..from both ends..so I think it's a little pain that wakes her. Last night gripe water, teething gel and finally Calpol did the trick. Just a warning incase you are thinking of starting solids early..if you already haven't.

[justJAM]

caygill - sorry to hear you are getting no sleep, thanks for the info re weaning, makes me feel better as I want to wait until 6 months and do BLW (or try anyhow) and people have been telling me not to wait. I did read somewhere that around the 6 month mark sleep starts to settle again so fingers crossed for all of us

[gingerninja]

Caygill, poor you. Sounds like you well and trully qualify for the sleep is for the weak status! Also very depressing because I'm holding out on the hope that solids will make my LO sleep better.

Is there any chance you've introduced something that your lo is intollerant to? What about constipation? I haven't been through it yet so can't offer much advice I'm affraid.

On the sleep front. The non sleeping baby police stole my DD and replaced her with a slightly sleepier version last night. After a couple of false starts she slept from 7ish to 10.30 DF and straight down until 1.30 I put her on her side and she settled. Woke at 2.30 for feed. Woke again 3.30 and I put her on her side again then slept until 5.30 I took her into my bed and laid down to feed and she promptly fell asleep until 7.30. Not bad me thinks. Still not brilliant but she settled immediately. Unfortunately I was laying awake for ages thinking she was about to start! It does seem to happen that when she sleeps OK I become an insomniac. Obviously I enjoy the torture. Very jealous Jam. Not sure you needs us any more

[gingerninja]

JJ, I'm thinking of starting with BLW at 6 months. Maybe we can start a new thread for that too. Secretly I'm hoping that she'll shovel the food in and all will be wonderful. I live in hope.

[cc21]

DD took FOREVER to settle last night. Finally went off around 11ish (last feed about 10) but woke at 1 . Luckily she went back to sleep after aquick b/f. I did try her with some water (I keep trying it in the vain hope she'll settle after a couple of sips ) but she gagged and got in a right state.

Anyway she then slept till 7!!!! However, I was wide awake till about 3 as DH was snoring and I thought the wind was gonna blow my roof off.....