Does tiredness = early morning??

[Lethal]

Do others find that when their kids go to bed REALLY tired, they wake up early the next morning??!! I don't understand what happened last night. DS is 3 and he always has a sleep during the day (1 1/2 - 2 hrs), and his night sleep is usually from 8.30pm til approx 7.15 am. Well yesterday, for some reason, he didn't sleep at all during the day - I put him down for his nap but could hear him playing & chattering to himself the whole time, so eventually I got him back up again. I think this was the first time that he'd actually missed out on his daytime sleep. Last night he was understandably very tired and fell asleep as soon as he went to bed, around 8.15. My feeling was that he would sleep longer this morning because of the lack of sleep yesterday... and then he woke up at 6.00am this morning!!!! He hasn't woken up that early in months, 7.00am is usually his earliest. Does anyone else find that this happens to them, & does it have anything to do with being overtired? I just wonder if it was the change in his routine or something - just seems weird.

when I say I am on my own what I mean is that I wish I was. My DH is downstairs and if he woke and found me doing this I would be in alot of trouble.

Tomboy I think you are trolling a bit here as well. Don't make up a shit situation to get genuine people interested in helping you. If you are genuine and think Mumsnet is a bit twee go on raising kids. Apparently they row alot there.

Thanks everyone for your responses (well almost everyone). I think we should just ignore tomboy until he or she either disappears or posts something worthy of a response. Sad individuals aren't they!!!! (trolls).

Anyway poor old ds has conked out early for his nap today, he's been so tired all morning. Here's hoping for a better night's sleep tonight...

strange how tomboy says dh is downstairs and she's scared - yet on the 'one toddler' thread she's a single parent. Either a speedy marriage/divorce or TROLL!

please just ignore trolls, don't respond at all otherwise you are doing what they want.

Lethal - in answer to your question, yes, yes , yes this is really common, sleep breeds sleep IFYKWIM so actually if they get overtired they actually don't sleep aswell.

I was thinking about this, and it actually is common sense. Have you ever got really really tired (lol, you have had a baby, of COURSE you've been really really tired in your life, dumn question) - so tired that your eyes start to hurt, and you're lying in bed, trying to get your eye muscles to relax and your brain to switch off just so you can get that precious sleep?

Or maybe it's just me grin. Anyway, takes me ages to sleep, and I never seem to rest well that night - takes me a couple of nights to get back into some sort of routine and then I start getting the restful sleep again.

um... dumb not dumn.... sounds like I need sleep myself!

Very true GeorginaA, it does seem to affect the way you sleep.

DS slept for close to 3 hours today, I actually had to wake him up from his nap... hopefully he is much more well-rested now. Very strange how being overtired can actually make you sleep less though, isn't it.

Very. I wonder if it's something to do with the type of sleep (there's deep, dreamless sleep and R.E.M when you have dreams, etc aren't there? You cycle through all of them in a normal night) - I wonder if being overtired sends you into one type of sleep that is actually less restful?

I'm curious now... off to Google!

I think I read somewhere that if you're over-tired then you go straight into a REM (deep) sleep and then continue through your normal cycles for the rest of the night, which ultimately ends up in getting through them all in a shorter amount of time. Usually we have 30mins/1hr or so to fall into that first REM sleep, which adds up to your lost time.

Think it was in Ferbers or NCSS, but then again I could be talking out my *. Everything gets so mixed up these days - where have all those brain cells gone?!?!

That sounds logical, Karen.

I've also found this:

"The reason that the overtired state messes up good sleeping is that when you are overtired, the body's adaptive biological response to fight the fatigue by producing stimulating chemicals. This 'second-wind' interferes with the ability to fall asleep and stay asleep."

(From pages.ivillage.com/sorensmom/colic.html)

I think that links in, because I'm sure in my googling somewhere that I read that R.E.M. sleep releases Adrenaline - so the two would seem to tie in.

I'm glad you found that! I don't rely on the brain cells too much these days! I lost them somewhere during the second trimester and they seem to enjoy being on holiday!

Lethal, hope DS is back on track.

my ds does this too, late night, early morning, or normal time (no extra sleep lie-in) and then one grizzly baby, then he crashes at nap time and catches up on the missing hour or so.

Thanks for the info GeorginaA & Karen99, it's interesting to know... at least there's a logical explanation for it!!

Yes Karen he's fine now, it took one long nap (3 hours) to catch up on his sleep and now he seems to be back in his normal pattern. I'm amazed he still has daytime naps at all, but I guess this goes to show that he does still need them.