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What happens when you press the red exclamation mark on a post?

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BecauseImWorthIt · 15/05/2009 19:11

I reported a poster this morning, doing this, and have had no reply from MN.

I know you're probably all jolly busy sticking MN back together to stop it from falling over again, but just wondered what the process was?

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BecauseImWorthIt · 15/05/2009 22:34

StG - Yes, I didn't think about what style people would be viewing MN in. But surely whatever style, there is an option to report a post?

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saintlydamemrsturnip · 15/05/2009 22:36

Because - I reported some posts about me this week (nothing as hideous as the ones I suspect you are talking about) - had to report two or three times before I had a response.

It's always been followed up much faster in the past so I really don't know what's happening at the moment. I get the impression unless you can 'prove' something is a personal attack (rather than just a vile thing to say) it won't be deleted.

frogs · 15/05/2009 22:36

BIWI, I have in the past reported posts (either for blatant advertising or extreme and obvious obscene trollery -- 16yo boy kicking his heels at home on a 3-day exclusion type of thing) and have had a pretty quick response.

iirc you get an email from MNHQ thanking you for drawing the post to their attention and explaining what they've done about it (delete, in the cases I've reported).

SaintGeorge · 15/05/2009 22:36

Oh yeah, option is there, just not as obvious as the exclamation mark when you have it in text.

At least the ! is in red so it stands out at the end of the line, the text version doesn't.

I've missed whatever went off today, doesn't sound pleasant whatever it was.

BecauseImWorthIt · 15/05/2009 22:51

It's interesting, too, that although I've posted this on Site Stuff that I have had no response.

Does MNHQ actually bother reading posts any more?

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VeniVidiVickiQV · 15/05/2009 22:55
oopsagain · 15/05/2009 23:07

i've had very quick responses from MN when I've asked them to delete some posts i've made recently.

I've been very happy with the response and the speed of response. even quite late at night

BecauseImWorthIt · 15/05/2009 23:08

So it's just me then?!

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JustineMumsnet · 15/05/2009 23:17

Evening,
This is how it works. We have a duty rota and on each day there is a duty person who is responsible for looking at/dealing with reported posts. If they're straightforward then they respond immediately. If it's a more complicated/nuanced issue then they'll ask for advice. (This sometimes takes a while because others aren't always immediately available).

We have some basic guidelines - our philosophy and rules - namely that we don't tolerate personal attacks, obscene or illegal posts. So if you report something that falls within those boundaries then those posts will be deleted.

We don't trawl the boards looking for posts that break our rules, however, so we do rely on folks to report them - that means it's possible that we'll delete one personal attack on a thread and not another and this sometimes has the unfortunate effect of folks assuming we've been inconsistent at best, biased at worst. But the bottom line is if you think a post breaks our rules/ should be deleted, please mail us. We just don't have the resources to police every thread.

The problem with today's thread wrt TSAP was that it wasn't such a straightforward call to delete imho.

The duty person did remove a lot of reported posts from the thread which were clearly personal attacks but the real problem with the thread, in a nutshell, was the fact that many of the attacks were on an OP who was in a vulnerable position and who subsequently left. And deleting a thread because of the situation/circumstance/emotional health of the person/people involved is a tricky call and not one we take lightly - after all we can't expect posters to know when to tread carefully and when not to.

Secondly, we always have a reluctance (rightly I think) to delete threads on which hundreds of people have bothered to post. We hope, very often with good cause, that the process of debate very often allows a poster who might otherwise feel under attack to see the attacker is in the minority (and to be heartened/bolstered by that).

What's more, we weren't contacted by the OP herself to remove. But in the end after consultation (and with apologies somewhat belatedly) we deleted it. It was the right call I believe because as many of you involved in the thread felt instinctively there are just some things that are beyond the pale/ unacceptable on Mumsnet - and the heckling and ultimately undermining of a decent longstanding but vulnerable poster is one of those things.

I hope that explains how the process works - we do try to react as quickly as possible but with the best will in world there will sometimes be delays - please don't interpret that though as a lack of will or that we aren't listening. Your help in policing MN and just as importantly setting the tone/culture is integral - especially given that we perhaps aren't as resourced as a board our size would ideally be.

Thanks for bringing it up though - it's something that needed airing.

BecauseImWorthIt · 16/05/2009 00:08

Thanks Justine.

I suspect, in this instance, that there was probably a need for much consultation behind the scenes. I do acknowledge that.

But it would have been good to have an acknowledgement from MN that you had received/read my 'report a poster' e-mail. Even if it was an automated one.

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JustineMumsnet · 16/05/2009 11:35

No you're quite right, BecauseImWorthIt, we should have acknowledged your report and said we were looking into things - we do try to as a rule but sometimes things slip through the net (particularly on days when site is busted!)

margotfonteyn · 16/05/2009 11:40

I have asked for a post to be deleted on the Secondary Education thread because of Lucia39. I have never done this before and am not sure if what I have done is correct. Please can you look at it.

MerlinsBeard · 16/05/2009 11:43

do you not think that now MN is so huge that there needs to be more than one person "on duty"?

FWIW whenever i have requested threads deleted recently it has always been the same person reply - i even had to justify my reasons and repost on my own thread that i was having it deleted.

Is now the time to bring back a couple of mods do you think?(ie someone who does trawl the threads and can jump in quickly to diffuse)

margotfonteyn · 16/05/2009 11:43

It's ok. It's gone. Thanks. Do not want to be stalked by him/her

BitOfFun · 16/05/2009 11:49

No to mods! I think Justine is right, we need to set our own tone.

VeniVidiVickiQV · 16/05/2009 12:58

I think that it is courteous to reply to all reported posts, even or particularly if there have been hundreds of likewise reports.

If people have taken the time to assist with moderating the board, acknowledgement is the least that should be done - even if it's a blanket "thanks for bringing this to our attention, we are looking at it" type statement on the thread itself.

The thread in question was very personal in its nature and whilst only a smattering of direct abusive posts were there (and eventually deleted), the general tone of the thread was attacking. That aside, the discriminatory comments on disability on there were enough for it to go. It being left as long as it was - even though there were hundreds of posts berating the main two or three protagonists, was unedifying. In my very humble opinion.

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VeniVidiVickiQV · 19/05/2009 20:40

That's exactly the sort of posting style that I was on the receiving end of for some time justa so I know how you feel. It's enough to have a dig, and you know it and feel it, without it necessarily being clear to other posters. If you call them on it, its just a little tooo ambiguous for it to stick and you are called paranoid etc. And like you say, if you dont call them, then it's giving licence to continue.

I've relented a bit on my stance regarding the delay in response, now I know what MNHQ have had to deal with the last couple of weeks with the site. I didn't realise. Sorry MNHQ x

justaboutspringtime · 19/05/2009 20:43

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VeniVidiVickiQV · 19/05/2009 21:01

Um, in retrospect, nothing worked really. Damned if you do, and damned if you don't. S'why I'm not here so much nowadays. Nowt else you can do really. The best way to avoid is to avoid completely, I've found. Shame though. Takes the sparkle off, doesnt it?

BecauseImWorthIt · 19/05/2009 21:04

Oh no, justa - that's awful.

Things are a bit weird around here at the moment. It definitely spoils things, which is a real shame.

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justaboutspringtime · 20/05/2009 20:09

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VeniVidiVickiQV · 21/05/2009 17:10

oh no!
I hope he's better today x

justaboutspringtime · 21/05/2009 17:11

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VeniVidiVickiQV · 21/05/2009 17:14

It's very frightening all the same. Mine have never had croup, but DD was rushed in with breathing difficulties/asthma a couple of times and it's terrifying. They are so little and helpless. Glad he's on the mend.

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