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Should schools dictate what goes in your child's lunchbox?

201 replies

JustineMumsnet · 02/02/2009 16:35

Hi all,
We've been asked by the Press Association to comment on the Packed Lunch Policy, which advises that lunch boxes should include at least one portion of fruit and one portion of vegetables every day and should avoid crisps, chocolate bars, biscuits and sweets. Maybe you've been told off for putting a treat in your child's lunchbox? Or maybe you're pleased that government's helping you stand up to pester power? Do you think the guidelines necessary/useful? (Thanks in advance)

Here's why they are asking:

By Rosa Silverman, Press Association

(ADVISORY: First ran yesterday under embargo)

Page 1: 02:47

Nearly two thirds of parents believe schools should not dictate what they put in their children's lunch boxes, according to new research released today.

The Government's School Food Trust (SFT) has issued advice on the subject and early last year drew up a Packed Lunch Policy schools could use.

But a survey suggests parents resent such intervention, with 64% saying schools should not tell them what to put in their children's packed lunches.

Just 10% of parents interviewed admitted that their children were not eating the healthy lunch they packed for them, the study by consumer researchers Mintel found.

Emmanuelle Bouvier, senior consumer analyst at Mintel, said: "Mums and dads may feel insulted at the assumption that they don't know what to put into a simple packed lunch.

"Many parents choose packed lunches precisely because it gives them greater control over what their child eats - much more so than with school dinners.

"These new guidelines clearly take this control away and understandably this is putting people's backs up."

But the survey also suggested that parents had been making healthier food choices for their children since the Government published its guidelines.

In 2006, before the latest initiatives were introduced, 66% of mothers said they tried to give their children a mixture of healthy food and treats.

In the latest survey this number rose to 86% of parents.

Nearly three quarters of parents (71%) thought school dinners were healthier than they used to be.

The SFT said its packed lunch guidance was intended to help schools work with parents to ensure as many children as possible received the fuel they needed to stay healthy and alert.

A spokesman said: "Our research has clearly shown that the average packed lunch is not as nutritionally sound as a school dinner which is, of course, now subject to rigorous standards.

"It is up to individual schools to adopt policies of their own but many parents have told us that school meals can take away the worry of putting together a packed lunch because they are nutritionally balanced."

The guidelines include advice that lunch boxes should include at least one portion of fruit and one portion of vegetables every day and should avoid crisps, chocolate bars, biscuits and sweets.

:: A sample of 532 parents or guardians of children aged four to 16 were interviewed.

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aniseed · 03/02/2009 20:24

Training days and holidays are given by the government. Teachers do not choose to have these holidays. It is very irritating when parents don't see the other side of the coin.
It is all very easy to have a pop at teachers for all the wrongs in education when actually much of it comes from above. Things that annoy parents actually annoy the teachers too. I would much rather spend my time teaching and caring for my children in my class than telling them what they are allowed to have in their lunchboxes (not that my school does this anyway). My point being that many of the things parents don't like, e.g, homework, being told how to parents, etc, teachers don't actually want to do. I repeat - teachers are people with children off their own!

Gorionine · 04/02/2009 10:43

aniseed, it must be frustrating for you but as far as parents are concerned, you are responsable for absolutely everything that can possibly go wrong with our Dcs.

I agree that in most cases the teacher just follow what comes from above. Can I ask you if many teachers voice there opinions about their concerns that teacher are now snowed under expectations they should educate children more than actually teaching them?

hanaflower · 04/02/2009 11:07

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tatt · 04/02/2009 11:19

"dictate" is an emotive word guaranteed to get a particular reaction.

Schools SHOULD encourage healthy eating, this is a child protection issue. I'm not happy about how they define healthy but sweets, crisps and fizzy drinks are not healthy and should be banned. If that is all a child has to eat then they should be allowed to eat it that day and the parents sent a note saying they will have to collect the child from school if it happens again. As for other food - schools should issue advice rather than dictate but where parents are always sending in junk someone should point that out to them.

Time we parents stopped teaching children that sweet stuff is a treat. I got very fed up of my attempts to encourage healthy eating being undermined by other parents.

bamboostalks · 04/02/2009 11:24

There is a definite need for guidance. Whether you consider that being dictated to is really your pov. I have to laugh at all this talk of healthy oatmeal cookies and flapjacks. That is NOT normal fare in the vast majority of lunch boxes. If you wish to feed your child crisps and chocolate, then you have 18 other hours in the day to do so. Most children have lunches packed with frubes, dairylea dunkers, cheese strings, fruit strings etc and these are without addition of the choc and crisps baddies. As for being offended that lowly dinner supervisors are in charge, what ridiculous snobbery. They are not going to differentiate between homemade goodies and shop crap. So yes to a blanket ban on chocolate, fizz and crisps. Plenty of high calorie snacks can be sourced elsewhere.

seeker · 04/02/2009 11:26

And there is a huge difference between having chocolate crisps or other "treats" in a lunch box every day (strange definition of a "treat" to my mind!) and a packet of Haribo every now and then when it's somebody's birthday!

WilfSell · 04/02/2009 11:35

It always amazes me that parents don't want this kind of guidance. It would make my life easier if I were able to refuse the constant requests for junk by being able to say 'nope, sorry, school doesn't allow it'.

bamboostalks · 04/02/2009 11:39

Exactly Wilf, there is a huge pester power problem. How else do you explain the existence of teddy bear ham?

Gorionine · 04/02/2009 12:01

I do not like the school food policy because I pride myself to give a balanced lunch box to the dcs but am still be made to feel bad because of "those parents" who only give fizzy drinks,crisps and chocs to their children (I must say I either have only perfect friends or friends who lie to me but I have never met one of "those parents" to this day!). I also am convinced those policy are a way to "bully" parents into getting school lunches.

My Dcs usually finish their breakfast at arround 7:30am they get ready to go to school and have a 25 mn walk there whatever the weather, they come out at 3.15 and walk again home(usually takes a bit longer as they are tired) so home just before 4pm. On two days they have club after school and stay there until 4:15pm and do not get back home until just before 5pm.

Yet, according to the policy I should not give them cereal bars/flapjacks because they are too sweet and they are supposed to keep up all day with:
(contents includes break +lunchtime)

1 bottle of water

1 little yogourt/yogurt drink/cheestring or piece of cheese.(although we are told now that yogurts are too sweet and cheese to salty again

1 sandwich/ rice salad/pasta salad/quich/ vegetasble pasty (all home made)

2 fruits or 1 fuit +1 hanfull of nuts/almonds/ dry apricots...

I can assure you that I do not feel one bit of guilt when I give them a cereal bar or a biscuit!

seeker · 04/02/2009 12:04

But that's like saying "I don't agree with having a law that says you can't break into someone's house, because I have no intention of doing any burgling"!

If you already provide healthy lunch boxes, then why are you bothered about the school providing guidelines that might just help someone who isn't as conscientious or well informed as you?

Gorionine · 04/02/2009 12:11

Seeker, I am really ennoyed because as healthy as I thingk my lunchboxes are, dd did indeed get told off fot eating a cereal bar a break time and the teacher in question went on saying to her "And your mum thinks it is OK does she?" ( meaning your mum is ok to feed you on horribly unhealthy sugary stuff) I can tell you I was straight into the headteachers office!

TsarChasm · 04/02/2009 12:13

Guidlines are ok but banning things and policing lunchboxes is overstepping the mark.

Gorionine · 04/02/2009 12:14

Sorry , I forgot a bit. Being told that you can't ever put a specific item in a lunch box is not a recommendation but a rule that I am not at all ready to follow to please anyone when I think I would actually be underfeeding my children in doing so.

francagoestohollywood · 04/02/2009 12:26

I'd be perfectly happy with the guidelines. I would, as I'm not in the UK anymore. Here in Italy children can't have the packet lunches. It is just school dinners. Parents receive a copy of the menu every month. And the menu has suggestions of what to cook for the children in the evening, taking into consideration what they had for lunch.

seeker · 04/02/2009 12:42

Our school says fruit only at break time - and the children aren't allowed to have anything else. I REALLY don't see a problem with this. If you think your child will suffer from starvation between 9 and 12.30 then give them a cereal bar on the way to school. But it's only 4 hours at the most with only an apple to sustain them!

Gorionine · 04/02/2009 12:49

Nope I will carry on giving cereal bars. Seeker, what is your child having as a dessert?

why does it matter so much to the school if my children are having a cereal bars at break time and their apple after lunch? rather than apple a break time and bar at lunch time? The amount of calories/nutriment does not depend on what order you eat it in or does it?

It does not make any kind of sens to me!

Gorionine · 04/02/2009 12:55

BTW it is betwwee 7:30 and 12:30 I am worried they will starve . Giving a cereal bar on the way too school when they just had breakfast? why?

Gorionine · 04/02/2009 13:00

sorry for typos, I think I am getting too heated

TsarChasm · 04/02/2009 13:08

I wanted my dd to have a plain cream cracker at snack time and the school were having none of it. Only fruit and vegetables are permitted because that is the only snack they deem to be 'healthy'.

Now sorry but that is a very wrong message to be sending out. Healthy eating encompasses a range of foods.

They of course know better than I do even when it comes to feeding my own child. How can I possibly not view this as a very patronising line to take? It's hard to respect such a ridiculous 'rule'.

Gorionine · 04/02/2009 13:13

Have you "given in "TsaChasm" or are you as well rebelling against it?

hotCheeseBURNS · 04/02/2009 13:20

Having read this thread with interest my opinion is that schools should ban sweets (i.e. haribo, boiled sweets, wine gums etc.), fizzy drinks and crisps and offer healthy packed lunch suggestions, in the form of a letter/leaflet written by experienced dieticians (not idiotic teachers who think that cheese and pop corn are unhealthy).

If the teachers feel that there are serious problems with a child's packed lunches they should raise the issue with the parents and never the child.

Then they should butt out

bamboostalks · 04/02/2009 13:21

The cereal bar (sugary crap masqurading as a healthy choice, give me an ordinary choccie bar any day)very quickly morphs into chocolate chip bar and there are endless disputes about what is or isn't a cereal bar.

Same with a cream cracker, soon it becomes a digestive biscuit and then you the above scenario. You seem to think that your dc are in a vacumn where only their food will be assessed on an individual basis. They are in a utilitarian institution...school. So a comprehensive rule of fruit and veg is eminently sensible.

Gorionine...what about a banana, a great snack for break followed by an apple if you really think they will fade away.

seeker · 04/02/2009 13:21

Because there is a huge variety of "cereal bars' You can buy a block of Frosties stuck together with chocolate and it's still called a cereal bar. Rather than have constant battles over the definition of a cereal bar it's easier to say fruit or veg only.

Dessert when? In his packed lunch? He has a yoghurt sometimes, Gorionone.

hotCheeseBURNS · 04/02/2009 13:23

As for going from breakfast to lunch with only fruit to snack on, I couldn't do it so I wouldn't expect a child to either.

Gorionine · 04/02/2009 13:31

Bamboostalks

with your version my dcs will have:

water
3 fruits
a sandwich
a dairy product

(from 7:30 until 5pm with having to stay concentrated in school/ have enough energy to play in breaks and walk to and back from school) I you saw my childrn you would soon realise that they need heathy food yes (which they are getting) but they definitely do not need to go on a diet!

I will rather give them a cereal; bar when I see fit than waiting for Friday and give all the crap I can because that is what OUR school is suggesting parents should do.

My Dcs have Never had a bag of crisp in school ever, so I think I am allowed to be outraged at being told off for giving something I think is healthy enough for my Dcs rather than giving them junk on Friday because the school decides it is OK on friday. Why should I follow this sillyness?

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