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Yspadadden · 15/04/2018 07:39

I didn't use Mumsnet when my daughter was little – I wasn't in tune with internet world back then – but I would have loved it, and I heard so many wonderful things about it that I joined recently on the strength of having grandchildren. Now I know what you all know – Mumsnet is great!

And Mumsnet is currently being threatened by a small group of unprincipled activists who think their political point is more important than the best resource for mums ever. They are trying to scare advertisers off using Mumsnet. They think Mumsnet will be scared off by a shortage of funds. Well, direct action activism may be a legitimate tool when it's used by the people against corporate power – but a small group of activists using it against a group of mums? No. Whatever you all think of their political point, don't let them bully Mumsnet. There are a hundred and one ways mums could get together and fend off such an attack. Here are three of the top of my head...

  1. SHORT TERM Set up a crowdfunder to give Mumsnet a buffer pool of money to cover running costs until it all dies down.
  2. LONG TERM Set up a voluntary monthly draw – people can put in a pound, or a fiver or whatever, and one name's drawn at the end of each month and wins ten percent of the take – how many mums are there on Mumsnet? That'd be a pretty good prize, and plenty in the kitty to tide Mumsnet over.
  3. If the above requires an expensive licence or something, just set up a facility for voluntary donations called 'Save Mumsnet' or something.

The only rule I'd suggest is that any money given must be flexible and voluntary. At any one time, there will be mums who are desperate for advice and support and horribly empty of pocket.

Any such scheme can be shared by a million-and-one mums around Facebook, Twitter etc which will....

  1. Increase donations
  2. Remind advertisers that Mumsnet is a fantastic resource for them, and that they need Mumsnet every bit as much as mums do.
  3. Tell this handful of bully-boy activists that mums do not stand by and watch their resources threatened.

Many popular resources survive this way – the Morning Star is a good example, raising money month by month from readers who love the paper. If you are popular, people will fund you. Then, when everyone finds it was just a storm in a teacup, and the advertisers can't resist Mumsnet anyway, everyone can vote on what to spend the money raised on!

[As I said, I'm a newcomer to Mumsnet so I have no idea whether I've put this in the right place. If I haven't, please could someone who does know their way around copy it to the best place? Cheers.]

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Checkedwoolblanket · 15/04/2018 07:43

Check out the filed accounts. Someone is making more money than I ever will. It is just a chat site.

UrsulaPandress · 15/04/2018 07:45

What sort of a buffer will they need above £2.1m?

AuntieStella · 15/04/2018 07:49

I hadn't heard MN was in any financial trouble.

Perhaps MNHQ need to comment if that is indeed the case before anyone thinks of fundraising.

And I thought that that a subscription model had been considered, which might be a better way to fund rather than the vagaries of fund raising.

If this is about what I think it's about, it's sod all to do with advertising and revenue. Casting round to a) blame third parties and b) suggest a remedy to a problem that doesn't actually exist is unlikely to be a good way ahead for the site.

JeNeSuisPasVotreMiel · 15/04/2018 07:53

Don't be ridiculous

There's plenty of advertisers who will carry on paying for exposure here, and who can see that there are 2 sides to the trans debate.

MN hardly needs a crowdfunder.

AuntieStella · 15/04/2018 07:57

I've just seen the AIBU thread

MNHQ hasn't lost any ads.

Some advertisers say they have been contacted with threats of boycott, but no boycotts have actually begun and there's no telling if they would be large enough to make any difference to the adviertisers (none appear to have said they would change strategy)

So there is no hit to the revenue to be concerned about.

Justine spoke several days after the rearrangement of the boards, so that must be unrelated, in the sense that it's not connected to activities by nonMN groups to advertisers,

ThunderPunt · 15/04/2018 08:01

Justine.... is that you? WinkGrin

ThunderPunt · 15/04/2018 08:01

Justine.... is that you? WinkGrin

Bumblefuddle · 15/04/2018 08:01

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MedicinalGin · 15/04/2018 08:09

I didn’t realise that mumsnet was under any kind of threat of boycott?

This site is so enormous, I think it’s possible for many users to access what they need from it without ever coming across the transactivists and their debates (if this is about what I think it’s about). I’m not sure this controversy is big enough to warrant a whip round, but maybe I’m wrong Confused

callies · 15/04/2018 08:10

Very inappropriate thread.

MedicinalGin · 15/04/2018 08:12

Ah, I’ve just seen the AIBU so this makes more sense now. Well done for thinking of this OP, certainly an option if things get bad, but I hope they don’t.

Bumblefuddle · 15/04/2018 08:14

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MarshaBradyo · 15/04/2018 08:14

Crowd funding / requesting donations doesn’t have a place on here.. even if it is for Mn

I’m sure they’ll be fine

Yspadadden · 15/04/2018 09:04

Just to be clear - my suggestion is not primarily about raising money, nor is it a stand for or against any policy other than that Mums like Mumsnet and should not be bullied. Such a project would make the point, loud and clear, that people want Mumsnet and won't have it ordered around by pressure groups or advertisers.

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/mumsnet-founder-justine-roberts-transgender-activists-try-to-curb-free-speech-on-site-z3sr3nf6q?shareToken=b2eb62822dd26aecc0f88653978ed23a

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Bumblefuddle · 15/04/2018 09:19

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JaneyEJones · 15/04/2018 10:33

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gamerchick · 15/04/2018 10:37

I don’t think mumsnet will be in any financial trouble any time soon OP and tbh we are the product. We don’t need to pay for that.

I’m just happy I wasn’t going mad. I knew we had been invaded by some sorts, I just didn’t know what Grin

PurpleDaisies · 15/04/2018 10:40

I’m confused about what this is in relation to.

CiderwithBuda · 15/04/2018 10:41

I think this might be the time to post the MN warning about never giving more of yourself emotionally or financially than you can afford and that folks aren’t always who they say!

AssignedPuuurfectAtBirth · 15/04/2018 10:44

I appreciate your motivation.

And yes, mumsnet is awesome

But your idea is nuts. And I think you are a bit wonderfully nuts too Grin

TwitterQueen1 · 15/04/2018 10:47

The barmy army is certainly out in force this weekend. Hmm You're not a Russian troll by any chance OP?

Oblomov18 · 15/04/2018 10:51

MN isn't under any threat!
Troll?

Sparklingbrook · 15/04/2018 10:54

This is all a bit odd isn't it?!

ScreamingValenta · 15/04/2018 10:55

I think Mumsnet is great, but I'd want to see evidence that it was struggling financially before I would consider donating. My impression is that it's doing well - and rightly so.

If they wanted to generate income from users, MN could offer a 'premium service' subscription option, so people could still use the site for free but might pay to see it without adverts, for instance, or with additional customisation tools.

BoreOfWhabylon · 15/04/2018 12:21

@Oblomov18

Calling troll is not on. OP has seen the article in The Times about MN advertisers being targetted by TRAs.

JustineMumsnet has come out fighting in The Times and says Mumsnet will absorb the financial hit if necessary.

I doubt it will be necessary though.

The TRAs have, yet again, scored a spectacular own goal.

MUMSNET = MORE BALLS THAN MILLWALL

#WTGLWGH