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The Mumsnet Miscarriage Code of Care

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RowanMumsnet · 20/09/2011 12:19

Hello there,

As some of you will know, we at MNHQ are gearing up for of the next phase of our miscarriage care campaign. (For those who would like to know more about the history of this, have a look here and here.) Later this month we're going to be asking you start making some noise about this; we'll post up more details soon.

SURVEY NOW CLOSED, THANK YOU TO EVERYONE - PLEASE LOOK OUT FOR RESULTS SOON (ANNMUMSNET) But before we do that, we have two requests. First, if you have ANY experience of miscarriage, we'd really appreciate it if you could take part in our survey. There are some fairly tough and personal questions in there, and you may find it upsetting to fill out (and of course, we're very sorry if that is the case; do feel free to close it down without completing it if it gets too much for you). We thought carefully about whether to run the survey, and about the questions that are on it. We decided to go ahead because evidence of MNers' experiences is probably the most powerful way to get our point across to politicians, officials and the wider world. Please rest assured that all survey responses will remain completely anonymous, and won't be linked in any way to your MN nickname or RL identity. All the data in the survey will be treated confidentially, and no individual data will be looked at unless you add your details under Question 18. As some small compensation for those who do manage to fill it in, there are free subscriptions to Grazia magazine to be won.

Second, please take a look at the Code of Care (copied in below). We have reviewed the code following your input on this thread, and we've also taken soundings from some professional and campaigning bodies in this area. As a result of this feedback, we've condensed the code from ten points to five, in the hope that this will make it seem less intimidating to those we're trying to influence and increase our chances of making the code a reality. We've decided to take out the point about routine screening for chlamydia, lupus, blood-clotting disorders and antiphospholid syndrome, as we were strongly advised that this was not needed in nearly all cases; and we've tweaked the point about miscarriage information being held centrally within the NHS, as NHS computer systems just can't do this at present Grin. Instead we've included a point about the information being passed on locally.

We have added in the point about women miscarrying at home being offered adequate prescription pain relief, because so many of you on the previous thread made this point.

So, before we send it out into the wider world, we wanted to run it all past you again. Does the revised code (copied in below) do the job? Is it a good way to get our points across, gain support and start the long journey towards actually putting this code into practice up and down the country? Do let us have any feedback.

Thanks,
MNHQ x

  1. Supportive staff
GPs, Early Pregnancy Assessment Unit (EPAU) and A&E staff should be trained in communication techniques (including things NOT to say to women who are miscarrying), basic counselling skills and the psychological effects of miscarriage. Follow-up appointments and/or counselling for those who feel they need it should be routinely offered after miscarriage.
  1. Access to scanning
Access to scanning facilities in the case of suspected miscarriage should be easier. This could mean Early Pregnancy Assessment Units (EPAUs) opening seven days a week and/or portable ultrasound and trained medical staff being available in A&E and gynaecological units at all times as standard. Those who are miscarrying naturally at home should have the option of a scan to check that there are no ongoing complications.
  1. Safe and appropriate places for treatment
Women undergoing miscarriage or suspected miscarriage should be separated from women having routine antenatal and postnatal care, or women terminating an unwanted pregnancy. EPAUs should be sited in hospitals' gynaecology, rather than antenatal, departments or next to A&E departments, to ease women's referral route. Waiting times in confirmed as well as threatened pregnancy loss, but, in particular, for women who need surgery, should be kept to a minimum and not be spent in antenatal or labour ward settings.
  1. Good information and effective treatment
Everyone who has a miscarriage confirmed should have the three options explained to them: 'natural' miscarriage; medication to speed up the natural process; and surgery. What each option involves, the amount of pain and discomfort that might be experienced, and the likely timescales for each should be explained clearly, sympathetically and honestly either by trained medical professionals or in a leaflet. Women miscarrying at home should be offered appropriate prescription pain relief. In the case of miscarriage occurring in hospital, doctors should discuss with the parents what they wish to happen to the foetus (i.e. it should not be disposed of routinely without prior consultation). Consideration should be given to renaming the surgical procedure Evacuation of Retained Products of Conception (ERPC), as many parents find this confusing and upsetting.
  1. Joined-up care
Community midwife teams and GPs should be informed immediately when miscarriage has occurred, and subsequent bookings and scans cancelled, to avoid women who have miscarried being chased by HCPs for 'missing' pregnancy appointments.

AnnMumsnet · 20/09/2011 13:50

glad the survey is fine....[weak smile] and Smile for bohicas dd2

AnnMumsnet · 20/09/2011 15:46

BedHog - done

KatieMumsnet · 21/09/2011 17:22

Thanks so much for all your comments and contributions to the survey. Really appreciate how hard it must be, but so important to have the experiences to give strength to why we need the code.

TheORIGINALWoofLady of course, please do fill in.

BellaBearisWideAwake I don't think we did cover that in the survey, but imagine that must have felt pretty awful. We'll also be summarising the comments here and in the comments section of the survey though - so can reflect that.

Stripy1 and MicBlastaB really interesting about getting rid of the 'just in case window' so we can all talk a bit more and of course support each other a bit more.

RowanMumsnet · 23/09/2011 20:44

Hello everyone

Thanks so much for posting and for adding your comments - the feedback is incredibly helpful. We will look at it all over the next week or so and come back to you. Do please keep posting in the meantime.

We're so sorry to hear of some of the awful things that are still happening to parents losing their babies (although it is also cheering to hear that some hospital trusts are very much getting it right).

MNHQ x

RowanMumsnet · 04/10/2011 10:52

Hello everyone,

Thanks again for all your comments and contributions; sorry we haven't been on more often to acknowledge them, but we?re in the final run-up to the campaign launch and we?re a bit frantic We have been reading and taking everything on board, as we hope will be apparent when we launch next week.

Some of the comments on here, and some of the feedback we've had from professional and campaigning organisations, focus around when scanning should be offered/available. The points made include:

  1. Very early pregnancy scans are extremely tricky, and are often ? even in the hands of trained staff ? wrongly interpreted, which is no good to anyone, least of all the woman concerned.
  2. When EPAUs aren't available, or aren't open, and women present to A&E, the staff there are less likely to be skilled in the use of scanning equipment in the diagnosis of miscarriage, particularly before the eighth week of pregnancy. Without further expensive training, poor scanning techniques risk making things worse (see point 1).
  3. If women facing miscarriages (and their partners) were treated with greater empathy and understanding, and given clearer information about what scanning can and can't achieve in their circumstances, it might be that the need for early scanning would not be so great.

Given these points, we were wondering if we should tweak Point 2 as follows:

'Where scanning is clinically necessary, access to scanning facilities in the case of suspected miscarriage should be made easier. This could mean Early Pregnancy Assessment Units (EPAUs) opening seven days a week, and/or portable ultrasound and trained medical staff being available in A&E and gynaecological units. When women have miscarried at home and have experienced severe symptoms, they should be offered a scan to check that there are no ongoing complications, and that the miscarriage is complete. Where medical staff do not believe that a scan is clinically indicated, or that it would be unlikely to produce reliable results, this decision should be communicated to the patient with tact and understanding, and with a full explanation of the reasons.'

However, this remains your code, so we don't want to make this change without your broad agreement. As ever, we'd be extremely grateful for your thoughts.

Thanks
MNHQ x

KatieMumsnet · 05/10/2011 09:59

Hi Everyone

Thanks so much for all your comments. Rowan is finessing code as we speak, so will come back and update on that later. On a more trivial note we've been going around the houses trying to get the right title for the campaign - it needs to be short and to the point, and a title that engages, makes people want to get involved- so far our better ideas include

Caring about miscarriage
Miscarriage care (campaign)
Miscarriage action

what do you think? Any budding slogan writers out there who can help us out?

RowanMumsnet · 05/10/2011 13:40

Hi bamboozled - just quickly, did you see our post yesterday about the proposed revision to Point 2?

RowanMumsnet · 05/10/2011 17:04

Thanks bamboozled, glad you like it. And thanks for the title suggestion too!

KatieMumsnet · 06/10/2011 12:21

Oh I love a bit of alliteration - always doing far too much of it and far too much putting things in threes (I'm sure there's a posh word for that). Anyhow, I'm just a bit nervous of putting Management in the title, think when it comes to NHS it might put people off. We've had a straw poll in the team, and think 'Better Miscarriage Care' just about edges it - so NancyMumsnet is knocking that into a logo as we speak. All starting to get busy, and here is the brand new spangly thread on our final code!

RowanMumsnet · 12/10/2011 19:55

Hello everyone,

Could we gently point you in the direction of this thread, which is being kept up-to-date with campaign news?

KatieMumsnet has also posted on there about how we've been getting input from the Miscarriage Association and other organisations. Not every organisation has signed up to our campaign (for various reasons), but we have approached and had conversations with pretty much all of the campaigning and professional groups we could think of, and had incredibly useful feedback and advice from them.

Thanks
MNHQ

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