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Mercedes · 18/02/2005 21:43

After trying to clean our carpet after a particulary messy meal by dd we stood back and thought - we need a wooden floor.

I am confused by the choices- Does anyone have a real wood floor which they laid on top of existing floorboards? We've got 45sqm to cover - how much would it cost?

What is the advantage of putting new floor down over sanding the existing floorboards?

Can anyone recommend a good supplier in SE London or even recommend someone to do a properr sanding and fill in the gaps etc.

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PuffTheMagicDragon · 21/02/2005 21:34

Thanks for that SA .

jenthehen · 21/02/2005 21:54

Mercedes, our floor cost about £1500 - £2000 for our living room wich is about 23 by 15ft. We like it so much that we are doing the rest of the downstairs except for kitchen and utility etc. Each time a child is sick, has an "accident" or a cup of coffee or red wine is spilt I am really pleased I don't have pale carpets. We had ours laid on batterns on a concrete floor so there is a slight step at the moment into the living room which works well.

Mercedes · 23/02/2005 13:10

SofiaAmes

What does the silicone look like when it's in? Does it work when the gap is at least 1cm wide?

Is there a maximim gap size?

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hub2dee · 23/02/2005 17:15

I also wondered about the mastic. It can be hell to get off after it sets, especially to reveal a clean edge in the gap, no ? What colour did you go for, and has it lasted at least one year (ie. through expansion / contraction cycle) - did you just use ordinary or any super-flexible ?

(I appreciate the frsh varnish on the floor would act as a plastic barrier, but still, does all the 'side splodge' just rub off with a sock ?)

Anteater · 23/02/2005 17:33

Hub2dee,
the trick with silicone is...

soapy water!

Keep a bowl of water with a bit of washup liquid + sock... Life becomes very easy!

We used clear silicone to seal the expanding gap between the skirt and new oak floor, can hardly notice once in.

hub2dee · 23/02/2005 17:45

anteater, water sounds good, will try it when I next enter that foul smelling hell which is mastic application.

...but I think Sofia implied she let the silicon dry out, and then got the sock on it, which sounds like it would just ball up and gum up and spring out everywhere and leave a raggedy edge... maybe I just need a woman's touch ? Must admit, my mastic work always takes ages and never looks as imaculate as it should....

Anteater · 23/02/2005 17:57

Sofias men are removing the excess silicone when its dry, which is fine. With SOAPY water you can remove when still wet, which makes the silicone less obvious (as the surface becomes concave) which must be the aim??

Must also say that I think varnishing wood floors is making loads of extra work for yourself... Treat with two coats of Danish oil and the floor will look better with every year that goes by. Retreat hi-use areas every year or so in mins, never sand again! The finish is a sexy sheen, not the awfull squash court glaze that so many wood floors have..

Anteater · 23/02/2005 18:00

Sofias men are removing the excess silicone when its dry, which is fine. With SOAPY water you can remove when still wet, which makes the silicone less obvious (as the surface becomes concave) which must be the aim??

Must also say that I think varnishing wood floors is making loads of extra work for yourself... Treat with two coats of Danish oil and the floor will look better with every year that goes by. Retreat hi-use areas every year or so in mins, never sand again! The finish is a sexy sheen, not the awfull squash court glaze that so many wood floors have..

hub2dee · 23/02/2005 18:51

Yeah, I guess if you scraped the top surface with some kind of implement, to flush off the bead, you'd barely have any 'side spill,' and that would come off easy... for some reason I imagined big gobby side spillage which obviously wouldn't be the case...

I'm a big Danish oil fan. Matter than Teak oil. Does gorgeous stuff to the grain. Does need heavy reapplication on outside furniture / deck though, but imagine inside on floors it's lovely.

PuffTheMagicDragon · 23/02/2005 18:59

Anteater - I like the sound of this Danish oil - we need to re-do our kitchen floorboards and I'm not sure sanding and revarnishing again is the way forward.

What colour will pine floorboards look after treatment with Danish oil?

How long does it take to dry?

How often would a "high traffic" area like a kitchen need re-application and would 2 initial coats be sufficient?

Is it available in most DIY stores?

Hope you don't mind all the questions .

CountessDracula · 23/02/2005 19:08

The chaps who did our magnificent floor are here

200 year old oak laid on top of existing floorboards. Looks amazing. We went for a very rustic finish so any knocks etc just blend in.

hub2dee · 23/02/2005 19:39

Anteater - may I ?

Yes, in high traffic areas, your varnish will always get rubbed off and then surface damage to the board underneath will occur. An oil finish would be better, and easier to touch up when needed.

(You will need to sand existing varnish off though, the oil won't take otherwise as the varnish makes a barrier).

(Feel free to correct, anyone, if I make a mistake).

Puff, if you get a wet rag / white spirit, and dab at a sanded area of board you will get approximately the colour after treatement with Danish oil. Old pine teeds to look rich mellow caramel brown to strawberry blonde. New pine will tend to look a slightly dirty blonde.

I think each coat will take several hours to soak in and dry, but you can continue to add oil as the surface starts to absorb the oil. You can then wipe away excess, and it is not sticky in quite the same way as varnish. If possible, I would allow to dry overnight before reapplying more, but it probably won't be needed. You can rub down LIGHTLY between dry coats with abrasive synthetic pads / wire wool to remove any minisucle nibs / highs of dried oil.

Not sure how often a "high traffic" area like a kitchen would need before re-application. Anyone ? My guess is that as oiled wood wears in a different way to varnished wood, you won't need to reapply for years. When it looks dull / badly scuffed, plonk some more down. The product does not require immaculate cleanliness like varnish does. It's much easier to work with.

Yes, 2 coats would be sufficient, but the more you can flood the wood intially, the more water resistant and scuff resistant (visually) the floor will be.

DIY stores often only stock the little 1/2 litre or 1 litre bottles. I'd go for a 5l one from Rustins. Have a google. I've used other brands and been unhappy.

CountessDracula · 23/02/2005 19:41

They used hard wax oil on ours.

PuffTheMagicDragon · 23/02/2005 20:08

I'd like to overlay ours CD but not sure we have the budget. Some of the floors on the website are gorgeous!

Thanks for the detailed info hub2dee, very much appreciated .

CountessDracula · 23/02/2005 20:09

Oh sorry didn't read that last post!

Yes they are gorgeous, could only afford as the owner is a mate who did me a deal on the wood!

Mercedes · 23/02/2005 20:49

Anteater - I'm not to sure what you mean by oiling. Do you sand the boards at all or just start oiling them??

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hub2dee · 23/02/2005 21:04

pleasure, puff.

Mercedes: Best apply oil to bare wood. Not sure what would happen if you applied on top of varnish. Some might penetrate, some might act as a solvent for the remaining varnish and gunk up big time, and some may just sit on top wasting your money.

Yes, yacht varnish is very hard wearing. I think the visual degradation impact of wearing out the varnish is determined by the age of the wood underneath and whether any tint is in the varnish mix... Oh, and it also takes a while to dry and stinks, which might be worth thinking about (possibly some newer mixes address this ?)

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Anteater · 23/02/2005 23:53

Right, children asleep, Mrs A in post Desp Houswives trance, the wooden floors thread! Hub2dee, spot on! Little to add to your posts.

Puff Would say that high traffic areas need a coat every other year, but this is a matter of taste.
Tip, where rubber gloves with Danish oil, it stains hands. It takes around 12 hours to dry at room temp. Need to ventilate while drying.
The whole of our upstairs is oak and the only room to be reoiled in the last 7 years is the bathroom.

I always put on the first coat with wire wool, then buff with cloth. 2nd coat just with cloth. Mercedes, You cannot oil on top of varnish, must be bare wood.

Agree that Rustins is the best Danish oil, tried a couple of others that were very poor by comparison.

hub2dee · 24/02/2005 08:39

We're all Rustins fans 'round here then. It really is much nicer to apply.

Their factory, just off the North Circ near Staples Corner burnt down last year, so supplies may still be a little unpredictable.

I get big cans from the painter / decorator type shop off the A5 about 1/2 mile before it hits the Paddington flyover if ou're heading Southish. Phone them if you need distributor lists, they're pretty organised. Oh, and they also have someone who can dish out technical info and advice.

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