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GCSE English Lit and Language review of marking

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SomersetBrie · 26/08/2025 16:11

There is lots of chat about review of marking on the GCSEs threads but I am interested specifically in anyone who is reviewing English (Lang or Lit) and whether the review provides an increase in grade.
DS, predicted a 7, got a 6 in both. He is not very close to the grade boundary (4 marks away) but the difference in marks between Paper 1 and Paper 2 have encouraged me to request access to the papers and see if it's worth a review.

Is anyone else asking for a review? I am curious to know how many marks people go up/down and if it results in a change of grade for many people.
(DS does not need a 7 but he was expecting a 7 out of 1 or other at least.)
This is AQA.

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MrsHamlet · 27/08/2025 22:43

raisingthebarbell · 27/08/2025 21:39

DS has just had a wobble about moving sixth form so has asked if we can put in for a remark of his Eng Lang to see if there’s an extra 2 marks there to get the 6 he needs (predicated 7 & needed for his new A level choice)

Anyone with AQA knowledge - do we put in for both papers or just the lowest one or the one closest to the next grade boundary? He got 43 in P1 & 46 in P2 so total 89 and needs 91 for a 6.
is it worth it? School are being spectacularly unhelpful.

Don't put in any until someone who knows what they're doing has had a look. Ask school for access to scripts so you can see the papers.

Reviews do not look for marks.

edwinbear · 27/08/2025 22:50

DS got an 8 in Edexcel Lang, 1 mark off a 9. His (private) school have recommended not to go for the remark as the boundaries are so tight. He’s 1 mark off a 9 but also only 5 marks away from a 7. They sent one off last year which came back 10 marks lower, so their advice is to stick with the 8. I can appreciate the risk/reward for those whose 6th form places rely on a higher grade may be different- but we’re sticking with the 8.

Foxesandsquirrels · 27/08/2025 22:52

MrsHamlet · 27/08/2025 22:41

According to this it had to be done by July 7th

www.jcq.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2024/05/Key_Dates_June2025_FINAL-1.pdf

Yh normally 2 weeks after the last exam but there's a late opening window apparently. A few of my DDs subjects didn't get processed and were sent off last week and accepted.

EnglishTutor25 · 27/08/2025 22:56

Hi! I’ve been an English tutor for six years and I specialise in teaching AQA English. Every year, there always seem to be more issues with English than with any other subject.

I’m sorry to hear that some people have been asked to pay for teachers to review scripts - it’s a shame that schools don’t have the budget to cover this.

I’m very happy to help out if I can! If anyone would like me to review their child’s scripts (as long as I don’t get inundated with requests!), please feel free to drop me a message. I can help with AQA Literature and Language.

NorthenAdventure · 27/08/2025 23:01

edwinbear · 27/08/2025 22:50

DS got an 8 in Edexcel Lang, 1 mark off a 9. His (private) school have recommended not to go for the remark as the boundaries are so tight. He’s 1 mark off a 9 but also only 5 marks away from a 7. They sent one off last year which came back 10 marks lower, so their advice is to stick with the 8. I can appreciate the risk/reward for those whose 6th form places rely on a higher grade may be different- but we’re sticking with the 8.

Is that IGCSE? Yeh, they are tight. I'd probably do the same if I were you.

NorthenAdventure · 27/08/2025 23:25

scrumdiddly123 · 27/08/2025 21:08

What proportion of students ask for papers to be reviewed? Obviously I wasn’t thinking of 200 reviews when I said that 😳😂
So at your school if a parent wants a paper reviewing it goes in blind? How do you find that affects the % that gain marks?

DS is at a fairly small grammar school and as I’ve said on previous posts- school have paid for the reviews automatically and his teacher asked for his scripts before I’d approached her. I feel very lucky now I’ve read this post!
I totally understand your point about the strain that puts on teachers, but do still think it’s sad for those students from low income families that wouldn’t be in a position to go through this process

How many ask to be reviewed by the exam board? Loads (but under 50% of the cohort). We are a very academic selective private school with pushy parents- if there's a way to get a higher grade, they'll know about it and we will take it!

But requests for the HoD to 'just have a look at the paper first' just in case? Yeh, hundreds. Honestly hundreds. HoDs have been literally inundated by requests to look over papers 'just in case' in previous years. Even if they probably wouldn't be going for a review, they ask anyway, as they like the reassurance that nothing was missed. And if you say yes to one, you obviously can't say no to the others!

To illustrate the issue: say if there's over 160 pupils in a cohort - 2 exam papers for that subject (maybe 4 if it's English if they don't do the coursework route for IGCSE) - that could be potentially hundreds of exam papers for HoDs to look at. Up to 600+. And word spreads, so at least half the year want their papers relooking at by their HoD (word spreads fast through the parent and pupil whatsapp channels). In a cohort that size, even if only half as the HoD to take a look, that is easily 300 papers! I used to to have to send my kids on holiday with my husband without me, while I spent the whole week after results' week ploughing through them, hours and hours a day. It wasn't as bad for opinions subjects, but awful for core subjects where all students took the exam. HoDs hated it and some considered quitting over it. I myself thought about quitting over it!

Thankfully our SLT are sensible and said it had become ridiculous. Staff at my school are the most hard-working I have ever met, and have bags of goodwill, but this was breaking us before term even started. SLT would much rather retain their staff: we're the most sought after independent school in the area and excellent staff are the most important factor in that. There was talk of a possible admin fee to put people off, but we felt that would just lead to further complications (plus parents would see it as an expected service then - and a tenner is not going to really put anyone off when they're paying more than £25k a year for fees!) and besides, despite many of us being very experienced examiners, our opinions often bore no correlation to what actually did or didn't change so it was a waste of time anyway in most cases!

So yes, they go in blind. And no grades have gone down. Last year my subject had almost two dozen grade increases. I looked at precisely zero papers before the review requests were submitted. We've already had grades go up this year too. Seems to be working for us 👌

(PS I do agree with you about the educational inequalities though. I was a very deprived, FSM child myself. But there are far bigger educational inequalities than this. If you want something to be really mad about, it should be the fact that private school kids can do IGCSE with coursework.... that is REALLY not fair!)

Youcantwinthemall · 27/08/2025 23:30

English Teacher here: AQA are notorious for marking inaccuracies. We had many last year that were just sheer incompetence including one where the 40 mark writing answer just had not been marked and had been awarded 0. That particular kid went from a 6 to a 9. We recall any that seem off, mark them ourselves then ask for a re-mark of any we think are out. (The school gets charged if the grade doesn’t change so we want to be fairly confident their marking is out). The exam system, along with pretty much the whole education system, is in dire need of improvement.

edwinbear · 27/08/2025 23:35

NorthenAdventure · 27/08/2025 23:01

Is that IGCSE? Yeh, they are tight. I'd probably do the same if I were you.

It is yes, and given I’m not a teacher, I’m very happy to go with their professional opinion 😊

Ichangedmynameonce · 27/08/2025 23:37

@EnglishTutor25 that's an incredibly kind offer. Would you be willing to look st DD AQA Eng lit paper please? Language already gone for a review as she's 2 marks off a 6. Unfortunately in lit she's 9 marks off a 6 so we've not requested a review (and in her school teachers don't offer the service) . Thank you and totally understand if you can't

EnglishTutor25 · 27/08/2025 23:42

Ichangedmynameonce · 27/08/2025 23:37

@EnglishTutor25 that's an incredibly kind offer. Would you be willing to look st DD AQA Eng lit paper please? Language already gone for a review as she's 2 marks off a 6. Unfortunately in lit she's 9 marks off a 6 so we've not requested a review (and in her school teachers don't offer the service) . Thank you and totally understand if you can't

Absolutely! I'll PM you. 🥰

OhCrumbsWhereNow · 27/08/2025 23:50

NorthenAdventure · 27/08/2025 23:25

How many ask to be reviewed by the exam board? Loads (but under 50% of the cohort). We are a very academic selective private school with pushy parents- if there's a way to get a higher grade, they'll know about it and we will take it!

But requests for the HoD to 'just have a look at the paper first' just in case? Yeh, hundreds. Honestly hundreds. HoDs have been literally inundated by requests to look over papers 'just in case' in previous years. Even if they probably wouldn't be going for a review, they ask anyway, as they like the reassurance that nothing was missed. And if you say yes to one, you obviously can't say no to the others!

To illustrate the issue: say if there's over 160 pupils in a cohort - 2 exam papers for that subject (maybe 4 if it's English if they don't do the coursework route for IGCSE) - that could be potentially hundreds of exam papers for HoDs to look at. Up to 600+. And word spreads, so at least half the year want their papers relooking at by their HoD (word spreads fast through the parent and pupil whatsapp channels). In a cohort that size, even if only half as the HoD to take a look, that is easily 300 papers! I used to to have to send my kids on holiday with my husband without me, while I spent the whole week after results' week ploughing through them, hours and hours a day. It wasn't as bad for opinions subjects, but awful for core subjects where all students took the exam. HoDs hated it and some considered quitting over it. I myself thought about quitting over it!

Thankfully our SLT are sensible and said it had become ridiculous. Staff at my school are the most hard-working I have ever met, and have bags of goodwill, but this was breaking us before term even started. SLT would much rather retain their staff: we're the most sought after independent school in the area and excellent staff are the most important factor in that. There was talk of a possible admin fee to put people off, but we felt that would just lead to further complications (plus parents would see it as an expected service then - and a tenner is not going to really put anyone off when they're paying more than £25k a year for fees!) and besides, despite many of us being very experienced examiners, our opinions often bore no correlation to what actually did or didn't change so it was a waste of time anyway in most cases!

So yes, they go in blind. And no grades have gone down. Last year my subject had almost two dozen grade increases. I looked at precisely zero papers before the review requests were submitted. We've already had grades go up this year too. Seems to be working for us 👌

(PS I do agree with you about the educational inequalities though. I was a very deprived, FSM child myself. But there are far bigger educational inequalities than this. If you want something to be really mad about, it should be the fact that private school kids can do IGCSE with coursework.... that is REALLY not fair!)

This is fascinating!

And 100% agree on the coursework.

There was a thread a few weeks ago with posters wanting exam certificates to indicate if candidates had had access arrangements (to avoid employing them).. can’t help wondering if they’d have felt the same about having to indicate if your papers had coursework.

BreakfastClub · 27/08/2025 23:55

Hi
can someone please explain to me the marking bands/levels for English Language (preferably Edexcel paper 2) and how much are they worth?
If a paper went for a review of marking and an essay question needed to be increase by a band, what are the possible marks gained?
Thanks

Foxesandsquirrels · 28/08/2025 00:03

@NorthenAdventure despite many of us being very experienced examiners, our opinions often bore no correlation to what actually did or didn't change so it was a waste of time anyway in most cases!

This is absolutely what I was talking about earlier in the thread. I see no point asking DDs teacher to look through her papers, she's not the one deciding if the marks have been applied correctly or not, and I imagine it'll just get her annoyed if she thinks they should be corrected and they don't end up being corrected. I also think if gets parents hopes up even more, when realistically those grades are unlikely to change. Don't get me wrong I've spent over £220 getting 4 papers sent off, but I'm trying to be realistic!
DDs school is a very pushy state school with lots of parents that have lots of money so I'm also not surprised they've started charging an admin fee, but as you say, it then becomes an expected paid for service.

BreakfastClub · 28/08/2025 00:08

@NorthenAdventure
is coursework even respected considering student can use AI to write essays?
A secondary teacher friend of mine dislikes to set or mark homework as most students hand in AI work and prefers setting class quizzes.

Lockdownsceptic · 28/08/2025 00:46

What a waste of everyone’s times. He has passed his GCSEs. You should be proud of him not complaining about a grade. In less than five minutes no one will give a toss what grades he got.

Examinetheexams · 28/08/2025 00:46

@BreakfastClub Well given the exam boards are using AI for marking now it does seem a bit double standards to not let the pupils use it!
(tongue in cheek response)

General question - how often have any of you seen your DCs GCSE level English work from school? When I thought about it I have never seen my DCs! I just assumed as mocks and predicted marks were 8,9 & occasional 7s that is the level they were working at/would get. I’m really curious to read the scripts to get an insight into what my DC writes..
I wish the school had shared some of the mock papers. As a parent I’m happy to help and buy the revision cards etc but it’s hard to support externally if you don’t know what they are actually writing!

BreakfastClub · 28/08/2025 00:56

@Examinetheexams To have AI mark exam papers is a bit worrying to me as I don’t think it can use judgement like a human which is sometimes needed and asked for in some mark schemes.
for maths maybe it’s ok but can it also give marks fairly for workings out?

BreakfastClub · 28/08/2025 01:00

If it is used to aid counting the marks that’s ok.
AI can be good for revision

NorthenAdventure · 28/08/2025 01:20

BreakfastClub · 28/08/2025 00:08

@NorthenAdventure
is coursework even respected considering student can use AI to write essays?
A secondary teacher friend of mine dislikes to set or mark homework as most students hand in AI work and prefers setting class quizzes.

Personally I have no faith in the coursework process anymore. Students can cheat so easily these days. I mean, they always could, but with AI it's even more ridiculous.

But when you ask if it's respected... by whom? They don't have to declare to anyone that they did coursework. For future jobs etc thesd pupils just say they got a grade whatever in English Lang / English Lit.

NorthenAdventure · 28/08/2025 01:21

Examinetheexams · 28/08/2025 00:46

@BreakfastClub Well given the exam boards are using AI for marking now it does seem a bit double standards to not let the pupils use it!
(tongue in cheek response)

General question - how often have any of you seen your DCs GCSE level English work from school? When I thought about it I have never seen my DCs! I just assumed as mocks and predicted marks were 8,9 & occasional 7s that is the level they were working at/would get. I’m really curious to read the scripts to get an insight into what my DC writes..
I wish the school had shared some of the mock papers. As a parent I’m happy to help and buy the revision cards etc but it’s hard to support externally if you don’t know what they are actually writing!

Can you link me to the source that says that exam boards are already using AI to mark exams please?

NorthenAdventure · 28/08/2025 01:24

Foxesandsquirrels · 28/08/2025 00:03

@NorthenAdventure despite many of us being very experienced examiners, our opinions often bore no correlation to what actually did or didn't change so it was a waste of time anyway in most cases!

This is absolutely what I was talking about earlier in the thread. I see no point asking DDs teacher to look through her papers, she's not the one deciding if the marks have been applied correctly or not, and I imagine it'll just get her annoyed if she thinks they should be corrected and they don't end up being corrected. I also think if gets parents hopes up even more, when realistically those grades are unlikely to change. Don't get me wrong I've spent over £220 getting 4 papers sent off, but I'm trying to be realistic!
DDs school is a very pushy state school with lots of parents that have lots of money so I'm also not surprised they've started charging an admin fee, but as you say, it then becomes an expected paid for service.

Yes, absolutely. The thing is, we're not the one making the official decision. I can say what I personally think, but I'm not the reviewer.

BreakfastClub · 28/08/2025 01:27

@NorthenAdventure
Is it respected by teachers and universities? Could it be scrapped going forward?
BTEC could be a problem

Im just thinking future wise things will have to change but not sure how.

12DaisiesTwit · 28/08/2025 05:23

This is interesting

DS got an 8 in Lit and a 5 in Lang. Predicted 7/7 so we were surprised by the discrepancy.
He wanted to do Lit at A level and has been told by school No as entry qual for their 6th form was a 6 in both.
Unsure of his mark, but will look into this.

12DaisiesTwit · 28/08/2025 05:34

Foxesandsquirrels · 26/08/2025 19:09

Same for us but we need 4s. A small part of me is hoping that the examiners know these reviews are the ones really needed for access to college courses and will be more lenient. I know that's delusional but still 😭

My DS got a solid 5 in Lang and 8 in Lit and his school have said No to A level Lit.
We're quietly furious, but they wont budge. DS gutted. He loves Eng Lit and is clearly good at it.
Its odd how some schools accept a 5 and others request higher.
They say they're not protecting their exam results, but I cant help think thats exactly what they're doing.

Michele09 · 28/08/2025 06:30

12DaisiesTwit · 28/08/2025 05:23

This is interesting

DS got an 8 in Lit and a 5 in Lang. Predicted 7/7 so we were surprised by the discrepancy.
He wanted to do Lit at A level and has been told by school No as entry qual for their 6th form was a 6 in both.
Unsure of his mark, but will look into this.

Seems like they're cutting their nose off to spite their face. To lose someone who has an 8 in their chosen subject is just crazy. Our entry requirements are a 6 in English lit and 5/4 either way round for Maths and English.