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Please help - DSis just disclosed awful truth about her relationship -what do we do next?

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ItsGettingLight · 03/08/2020 05:08

My poor sister has just confessed the dreadful situation she is living in with her partner. I always knew he was an arsehole but had no idea the full extent - he is emotionally, financially and sexually abusive to her. Sad

I need practical advice on how to help her get out. She has told me she wants out, but doesn’t want to tell him until she and the children are all set up somewhere and she can just walk away. She doesn’t know how to make this happen and nor do I, although I know from being on here that it can be done. They aren’t married, he owns the property they live in, they have two children together. We are in Scotland. She works part time and she has told me that she has used an online benefit calculator and thinks she would be OK money wise once out. She has no cash at her disposal at present but we/our parents could help her. She looks after the children apart from during her PT job, which she tries to do during the evenings and overnight so her partner doesn’t have to have the kids on his own too much.

I want to help her leave. Please tell me what we need to do to organise a home and benefits without his knowledge.

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SentientAndCognisant · 03/08/2020 11:17

I’m at work and need to post this quickly

Contact local council adult duty team ask for it to be raised as a safeguarding issue tell the duty sw you have children

Physical
Sexual
Emotional/Psychological
Financial/material

Sister will be asked can she stay with family, will they accommodate?. If this is not possible the family may be asked to confirm in writing.

Sister and the children will be referred to homeless person team and allocated a worker
The options inc b&b, temp accommodation etc

Don’t know where you are in Scotland?
Here is Glasgow provision homeless teams in Glasgow

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sashh · 03/08/2020 11:26

If it was my sister, I would get a key and take anything of there's that wouldn't be too noticeable whilst they are away. Clothes etc.

I was thinking the same thing, get a key OP

Think about if they are going to go straight home after their trip because if everything is missing that will be a trigger point.

She needs a grab and go bag, possibly at your place or well hidden, it should have all documents, a spare phone (get a second hand one or get one in your name PAYG) some cash and a card for a bank account with some money in a change of clothes for her and her children.

Don't push her, it might take weeks or months until she is ready.

Contact the concil / LA about housing, also look at private landlords. Talk to women's aid. Look for local charities, often there are places that can help eg near me is a furniture place, it's a non profit and has everything you need to set up a house with furniture, it's all second hand but cleaned.

Are you in a university town? Covid could be an advantage because rental income from students isn't guaranteed at the moment.

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BurtsBeesKnees · 03/08/2020 11:28

Having been in that situation she's taken the first step by telling you. What you need to do now is simply be there for her. Tell her she's always welcome to stay with you, she can ring at a moments notice and you'll take her in. But please, as much as you may want to, don't pressurise her to leave, she'll have enough to deal with, without feeling as though you are trying to tell her what to do.

Also have a code word, or sentence, she can use. Something like 'have you heard from Mum' this means 'come to the house now and get me' just something she can text you, that looks innocent to him but you'll know you need to drop everything and go to her.

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Aknifewith16blades · 03/08/2020 11:47

OP, get her to call Women's Aid using your phone next time she's at yours. They will help her make a plan to leave safely. Sadly the most dangerous time is often when a partner leaves. Involving the police may be part of that plan. Going to a refuge may be part of that plan.

It might be worth you reading about trauma bonding. Women's Aid have some pages on supporting family member in a DV relationship. As others have said it can take many attempts for a woman to successfully leave their partner. I'd also encourage her to look at the Freedom Programme or other counselling to help her find her feet and rebuilt her life.

And don't blame yourself. Abuse is subtle and insideous, and it's too easy to give people the benefit of the doubt. Just being there to listen to your sister is a wonderful thing.

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IdblowJonSnow · 03/08/2020 12:18

I wish your sister all the luck with getting away safely. Glad she has you for support.
So much wisdom and experience on here.

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Dullardmullard · 03/08/2020 12:33

freedom programme for us Scottish lot will have to be online. I'd encourage this by the way.

Edinburgh and Glasgow councils are big catchment areas so they will be able to refer her to the right people hopefully.

woman's aid and other bodies wont accept sis doing this on her behalf she has to do this herself. data protection laws and all that come into play here.

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namechange12a · 03/08/2020 12:50

You've already been given great advice.

I would advise going to a refuge in the first instance. The refuge will help her to apply for benefits and housing. If she doesn't want to go to a refuge, then contact her local DV organisation who will also help her.

This is Scotland's DV helpline which is a 24hr number: 0800 027 1234 and they also have a chatline on their website.

If she doesn't want to go via a refuge or DV org (although I would strongly advise her to) she can contact Shelter for housing advice. They also have a chatline on their website.

She can apply for benefits here.

Scotland has a great legal charity called the Scottish Women's Rights Centre. Where she can get free legal advice: 08088 010 789

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Delbelleber · 03/08/2020 13:01

I think leaving is as simple as finding a rental property and going to the council to claim housing benefit.

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ItsGettingLight · 03/08/2020 13:18

Thank you everyone.

I have called the Scottish domestic abuse advice line and spoke to a woman who has directed to my local women’s aid who she said can give more specific advice re claiming benefits and housing. I haven’t managed to get through to them yet though.

I think from reading everyone’s responses that the goal should be getting her out as there is plenty of room at our parents and then sorting benefits and a more permanent living situation after this.

I am horrified by the idea that it could take many attempts for her to actually leave. The woman on the domestic abuse line also kept referring to her leaving as her “first attempt to leave.” As awful as this idea is, it’s important for me to know that this could be a long haul and I am ready to support her even if she delays leaving, or god forbid, goes back.

I am going to phone her this afternoon when I know he won’t be with her and tell her she is welcome here, any time of day or night and remind her the same is true of our parents. For whatever stupid reason, I didn’t say this explicitly last night. I am also going to ask her when we can meet again without him around. I have a clearer idea now re documentation, potential plans, code words etc.

Thank you again everyone, I really appreciate everyone’s helpful advice.

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Dery · 03/08/2020 13:24

Hi OP - you've been given excellent advice on here in terms of what you can do for your sister, so here are just a couple of suggestions of books for you to read which may help you understand the dynamics of this situation and how to act in relation to it because it is very tricky and much of what you have to do may feel counter-intuitive.

www.amazon.co.uk/Helping-Her-Get-Free-Families/dp/1580051677?tag=mumsnet&ascsubtag=mnforum-21 (specifically written for people supporting friends/family who are in DV situations).

This will confirm what PP have said about not trying to try to pressure your sister into leaving (very tempting just to say: let me scoop you all up and keep you at my house) because then you just become another source of pressure with which she has to contend. And (as the book explains), it can actually have the effect of binding the abused partner closer together with her partner so that it becomes 'them against the world' and pushes her closer towards him.

Difficult as it is, you also need to continue to be civil to her partner. Don't give him any excuse to separate her from you. That will also mean he is less likely to suspect that she has told you what is going on and that you may be involved in some kind of escape plan. So it will help protect your sister if you're able to preserve a civil relationship with this man.

Also - to quote another book which you might find helpful - "The Mind of the Intimate Male Abuser: How He Gets Into Her Head" (www.amazon.co.uk/Mind-Intimate-Male-Abuser-Gets-ebook/dp/B009ZW08ME)?tag=mumsnet&ascsubtag=mnforum-21 - your sister is the expert in her own survival. Trying to leave and immediately after leaving a DV situation is the most dangerous time for the escaping partner. That's not a reason not to leave (on balance she is safer away from her partner), but it is a reason to plan carefully if time and the nature of the threat allow. This book also explains how abusers invade their partners' thinking and are also incredibly good at manipulating third parties and appearing charm personified while inflicting hideous abuse on their partners. Indeed, some abusers ostentatiously engage in charitable or good works or occupy some very worthy position because it helps create the impression that they are kind and decent people. And btw - they generally think they are: they have a vast sense of entitlement and everything that goes wrong is someone else's fault. This second book also confirms that practically all abusers are capable for physical violence. If they haven't done it already, it's because they haven't needed to.

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ItsGettingLight · 18/11/2021 22:06

I wanted to come back after all this time and give an update. I’ve often thought about doing this but I always put it off, even though for my precious sister this has ended happily. Maybe this story will help someone else if they are ever searching for threads like this.

First off I want to thank everyone who contributed to the thread, each post was a blessing. Also for the posters who messaged me directly with offers of housing - thank you. I’m sorry I didn’t reply. I was up to my eyeballs and I knew we could house my sister between us. But thank you nonetheless. It was so good to feel heard and for the urgency of the situation to be recognised by others.

We got her out within a month of her confessing to me how bad it was. DSis amazed us by saying she wanted out by x date in September and we stuck to it. The advice re what to get out, on here and from the woman on the domestic abuse charity was invaluable. When he was at work, our other sister went round and they loaded up the car several times to get stuff out of the attic and home she would need. DSis was very anxious that he did not realise what was going on and we respected that. This was the beginning of realising how much of her life and energy had been taken up by ensuring he was happy. It was a complete eye opener - my feisty, opinionated sister was consumed by what he thought and was terrified of angering him. I had no idea that was the dynamic of the relationship but I realise now this is of course common in abusive relationships. We took birth certificates, passports, baby mementos, Christmas decorations without him realising.

She set a date to leave and the night she told him, my DF and DH were stationed outside the house as we were all scared he would become physically abusive as this was something the domestic abuse charity had indicated. DSis was absolutely against just leaving and taking the children without telling him first, although that is what we all wanted, as this would anger him. She also refused to leave the night she told him and insisted on staying. She slept in her DS’s bed with her DS that night as she said she knew her wouldn’t come for her if she did that. Sad This was one of the scariest and most surreal points for us as her family. We stayed with my DPs and stayed awake texting her that night to ensure she was OK. Even though she knew how worried we her, that was preferable than angering him further.

She left to stay with my parents with her DC the next day. Some more things were removed with her ExPs knowledge, such as some furniture and household items. Our DF did this. There were many wobbles over the coming weeks and also many times he was manipulative and abusive. We are lucky she held firm, as much as I didn’t want to believe it, I know how close she came to returning. I also know if she had not had her family by her side every step of the way then she couldn’t have done it. His hold over her was so strong.

We are also lucky my parents could pay for excellent legal advice. I have a solicitor friend who put us in touch with an amazing colleague who handled DSis perfectly and it really helped her to hear someone outwith the family condemning his behaviour. Of course, he had begun telling her how weak her position was,how he needed 50% access to the children, that she owed him money etc, but our wonderful solicitor reassured her.

DSis would not disclose the sexual abuse to anyone other than me. I think he should be rotting in prison for that, but I have had to make peace with the fact that he will never suffer a single consequence for it. I am sorry if that is upsetting for anyone, it is upsetting for me too, but I get to see just how much better her life is now he no longer has the same hold on her, which does help me.

He made every step of the way difficult. He contested everything from money to access to debt. He wanted to be able to say “I’ll see the kids now” and drop them off whoever he liked. DSis needed a lot of support to advocate for herself and ensure she was no longer at his beck and call. But she has managed it.

My sister, her children and in turn us as those who love her are so lucky that she had a physical place to go, financial support and that we could provide unwavering support to her. My heart goes out to anyone trying to do this journey on their own. The words of the domestic abuse advisor helped me so much - this was her “first attempt to leave.” We are so grateful it only took one attempt for my sister. But those words made me realise how much strength and patience we would all need to get her out.

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ItsGettingLight · 18/11/2021 22:10

Just another point from skimming through previous replies. Yes, we had to wait for her to make all the decisions and that was excruciating. We wanted to manage it and tell her what to do but I think a large part of why it worked is because she made the decisions. It felt awful to be at the mercy of this person who was so clearly concerned with the stability and happiness of her abuser, but we waited and we were so, so lucky she made her decisions quick.y

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PriamFarrl · 18/11/2021 22:18

Thank you so much for coming back to update the thread.
I hope your sister manages to rebuild her life and perhaps this story might help others.

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Dery · 18/11/2021 22:24

Thanks so much for the update, OP. It is great to hear that your sister got herself and her children out. As @PriamFarrl said - your sister's story can help others who are in her position.

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AbbieLexie · 18/11/2021 22:30

Thank you.

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LHSC1 · 18/11/2021 22:31

I'm so glad to hear that your sister found the strength and courage to leave. Has she managed to set up a meeting home of her own? How are the DC?

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LHSC1 · 18/11/2021 22:31

Ignore meeting - typo error

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2catsandhappy · 18/11/2021 22:38

What a lovely update. Thank you! x

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2018SoFarSoGreat · 18/11/2021 22:52

@ItsGettingLight that's a great update - thanks so much for coming back to share it. Well done. You sound like a great sister, with an amazing amount of love in your family.

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ItsGettingLight · 18/11/2021 23:03

Thank you all.

Yes she did manage to set up a home of her own. She stayed with my parents for two months and managed to arrange benefits and my DH found a private rental for her close to all of us. We managed to get her DC into the school my DC attend. Again, so much luck, they are out of zone but there was space and it has helped us massively in being able to share childcare between us. She kept her evening job and one of us family looks after her DC while she does this.

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ItsGettingLight · 18/11/2021 23:06

What I would say is that we were all very concerned about the 5yo as he was older and more aware. He has been fine (so far, touch wood). The 2yo has become much more emotional. It’s hard to say if this is just 2yo behaviour of if it is harder because there was no way of explaining this to him at his age.

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Dontjudgeme101 · 18/11/2021 23:23

What a fantastic update. So happy for your sister and her children and for you op.💐💐💐💐

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Tippexy · 18/11/2021 23:30

So good to read the update. You’re a fabulous sister. Out of interest, what contact does he have?

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redfairy · 18/11/2021 23:45

What a heart warming update. All credit to you OP for being the best support for your DSis. I hope she and her little family continue to thrive.

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MrsOvertonsWindow · 19/11/2021 00:03

This is so powerful OP. Thank you for sharing it. Flowers

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