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Does anyone have a queen bee type in your friendship group?

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idontknowwhattohave · 04/10/2018 15:28

Does anyone have a queen bee type of person in a friendship group? I'm trying to work out the best way of dealing with her and wondered if you wise mumsnetters can help me.

I only recently realised that this is what is going on in a group of friends I'm in. I'll call her Debs she like to hold court, to have us around her like a queen bee - dancing to her tune, flattering her, praising her, thanking her for things she's done. She finds some other women (like me) a threat and will try to undermine them and criticise them to others in the group. I really don't know how to deal with her as I'm not even sure that she knows what she's doing consciously

I met Debs and her DH about 5 years ago she's a similar age to me, and she made a beeline ('scuse the pun) for me and DH - invited us to her house, to parties, included us in her friendship groups and her family. We went out together to the theatre, cinema etc she even met up with us on holiday for drinks and meals. At that time we didn't have many friends in the village and were flattered by it

This socialising went on for about a year, then we moved house a mile away, still near enough to meet up, and this carried on with us seeing them and them visiting us. After a few years, we missed all our old friends and the village so we decided we'd try to move back. Debs and all our mutual friends were pleased we were moving back and we slotted back into the same friendship group with Debs but things had changed somehow.

Debs had cooled off us and would often ignore me and talk to someone else - a female friend, to the point where I felt excluded. I almost felt that she was doing this to deliberately exclude me and other times she'd be friendly and chatty to me, she seemed to blow hot and cold and I couldn't really understand what was happening - had I offended her or upset her? She seems to have younger women friends who she becomes almost obsessed by, like she did me and it's these that she chats to exclusively and pushes me out, it seems like they bolster her ego - a mutual appreciation society.

Debs likes to organise trips for us as a group. I've found that if I suggest a trip or an activity she will question my ability to organise it properly to me and to others, and she seems quick to do me down with negative (jokey) comments

I've found this all very stressful as I couldn't see what had gone wrong with what I thought was a friendship and I couldn't see why she seemed to be pushing me out. As I write this it's seems more like what children can do to each other and we're grown women.

We keep in touch through a message group and Facebook. There's quite a bit of banter as well as chatting and support. I tend to like or comment on her posts as I do everybody else in the group. She commented to me recently, about someone who's always liking and commenting every post she puts on Facebook and how it's like she's stalking her, I wondered if this is how she sees me too, as in my efforts to revive our friendship back to how it was, I like and comment on her stuff on fbk and to chat to her and keep up the banter etc All it's achieved is a continuation of the exclusion and undermining me to others.

It all fell into place a week ago, and I realised that she fits the queen bee type and it's probably not about me except that I'm a friendly, funny, empathetic, likeable, person within this group of people and I might be seen by her as a threat to her queen bee status.

I want to continue to be part of this group, we meet in the pub once twice a week as well as doing activities together - it's nice to be part of such a social group but I feel that Debs is trying to undermine me and push me out. So, wise mumsnetters, how best do I deal with this - do I challenge her and risk losing friends within the group? Do I ignore it as she may not realise what she's doing? Do I chat to others instead? Do I do what she's doing?

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HumptyNumptyNooNoo · 04/10/2018 15:35

I have a Debs who joined in my already established social circle. I've just let her take over. I can't be arsed with any hassle and if she's got the time to organise everything/everyone etc then I'm just going to let her.
She'll either soon get bored or just keep organising us all. I choose what bits I join in with, and do my own thing when it suits too. Just don't let her get to you. Life's too short!

idontknowwhattohave · 04/10/2018 15:47

Thanks @HumptyNumptyNooNoo, that's true I'm feeling a bit sensitive at the moment so i let it upset me. It's the ignoring and excluding that gets to me and that I didn't or couldn't see what was going on with her and me

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Onemansoapopera · 04/10/2018 15:51

Its sounds like she was lovely and welcoming to you in the first instance and I don't I I don't think she views you as a that at all. You have listed your attributes so you clearly have good self esteem...I don't really see an issue with her unless you are jealous of her? If you feel pushed out, raise it, as you say you're adults.

BlackAmericanoNoSugar · 04/10/2018 16:02

It does all sound very childish, but you can't make her be your friend like she used to be if she doesn't want to be. So just be part of the group, be equally friendly to everyone. Don't approach her for one-to-one conversation, just chat to whoever is around, but chat back to her if she approaches you. If you're organising things perhaps say something like "I'm going to X on Y date, does anyone fancy coming with me" rather than suggesting an activity for the group. When you all go out to the pub, say hi to her nicely and then sit down the other end of the table.

If the group is what you like then focus on the group and let her have a bit of space from you. She might be a bit of a cow, or she might just be a serial friend who moves from person to person as she gets bored.

KimoraLee · 04/10/2018 16:09

OP this all sounds very 'high school'. Queen Bee?? why do you even bother with any of this, or is this the price of friendship?

idontknowwhattohave · 04/10/2018 16:09

Thanks @Onemansoapopera @BlackAmericanoNoSugar I know it sounds childish. I've never really been caught up in this kind of situation socially before although I have had queen bee type woman bosses - perhaps it's me and I'm seen as a threat??
I think you're right to just be polite and friendly to all and not play any games

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0hCrepe · 04/10/2018 16:09

From my dd’s experience who has come out the other side (and yes she’s young but I think in many ways we feel the same about friendships as adults), get to know the others better by spending time with them individually. Don’t let debs become the gateway to your whole social circle. At the same time do not try to exclude her or do anything that could be argued as such! Keep your nose clean, keep it light with her and make stronger friendships with the others. Oh and she’s a selfish person who doesn’t really think about other people’s feelings, just her own. She can also be fun to spend time with; they’re not mutually exclusive, but don’t be surprised if she makes you feel bad- she’s doing what they do.

LeftRightCentre · 04/10/2018 16:13

No. I can't be arsed with people like this or their groupies so usually just start cutting them a wide berth, let it drift and find someone else to hang with.

idontknowwhattohave · 04/10/2018 16:30

Yep, all good advice. The thing about her being selfish is very true. I have some very difficult situations in my life at present elderly mum in nursing care etc and and I do my best to keep my head above water and not once has she asked me how I am

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Bluntness100 · 04/10/2018 16:38

I don't think she sees you as a threat, you were close friends before. I suspect if anything from her comments you've been a bit over bearing or desperate to be included and she just wants to have a variety of friends at this stage.

Just try to relax. The less desperate you appear to be, the more she will come round. As you yourself said, it's been a few years now and friendships wane and grow, they change.

Try to make some different friends and widen your social circle.

SoutineBellhop · 04/10/2018 16:38

In what way is she ‘excluding’ you or ‘pushing you out’, though, OP? I’m not sure either that the US TV high school ‘queen bee’ thing fits here. It sounds as if it’s just a fairly superficial proximity friendship that’s cooled over time.

You say yourself that she made all the initial running, and that she has a pattern of intense new friendships — once you were one of them, but now you’re old news, and she’s keener on other newer friends. You were ok with her pattern when you were the chosen one, but now it’s less flattering to be passed over!

Possibly you notice it more because you moved away and moved back specifically because of this group of friends?

I must say it all sounds a bit claustrophobic and teenage — twice a week pub nights and other outings and what sounds like a lot of chat on FB and messaging. Wouldn’t you be glad of a bit of respite? At least from the online stuff, which sounds full-on...?

When it comes down to it, you’re the only one whose behaviour you can control in this situation.

SoutineBellhop · 04/10/2018 16:39

Also, idont, do you even like this woman? Nothing in your posts really smacks of deep liking or genuine regard...

carpettile · 04/10/2018 16:50

Hi Idontknow, your situation is so like my own. Friend did what you described all over me and my family and it was so flattering I had never had someone want to do so many things and go on holiday, texting etc.

Roll on a few years and someone new on the scene I am completely pushed aside suddenly the holiday invites were for this girl. So as i liked others in the group I just sucked it up. Then things started to take on another tone being excluded, snide comments, silent treatment, texts etc. so the cooling behaviour escalated.

Finally it was clear I was being ousted out the group and sadly the others followed suit. I don't know if this will happen in your situation but this is 1.5 years after and I still am very upset in fact just posted about it very recently. My advice is probably to start a slow fade so you don't fall out, you aren't pushed out laving the door open perhaps to dip in and out.

One thing I can say that while its been all very traumatic my mental health is better not being part of it and I don't really miss the company as it had become really unpleasant. It is all a form of bullying or relational aggression call it what you will. I really think judging by the things that were said by my queen B that she had misplaced jealousy and self esteem issues tht she was projecting on to me.

Good luck !!!

carpettile · 04/10/2018 16:51

oh and when I tried to address what was going on it was just my paranoi, these types will not have a rational conversation in my experience.

BigusBumus · 04/10/2018 17:04

Its Village Life I'm afraid. We have one in this village too, she is very Clipboard-y IYKWIM. She's desperate for approval really and gets terribly jealous of other peoples lives/houses/possessions. Tries to out-do people. We all just roll our eyes and let her get on with it. But there are people she will absolutely blank as they aren't "good enough" and I feel so angry at her for that.

idontknowwhattohave · 04/10/2018 17:42

Thanks all, there's some good advice here which I'll have a good read of and start using it. It does sound petty and childish but I do feel a bit hurt.

@carpettile I'm sorry you've been through this - it's very draining isn't it? Hope you've found some friends who value you for you.

@Bluntness100 perhaps there is an element of my being desperate to be included I've invested a lot in being part of a group

@SoutineBellhop you ask how she actually excludes me? an example is there'll be a group of them sitting together I go into the pub and everybody greets me and moves up to make some room for me except her - she doesn't greet me and will carry on talking to a particular person and continue to talk to them - even if I'm looking for somewhere to sit she won't make me any space. Usually in conversation people acknowledge you, find ways to include you somehow. I'm beginning to wonder myself if I actually like her!

@SoutineBellhop I think you're right abut village life being a bit incestuous. I've only ever lived in London or a county town so I find it all a bit overwhelming and and the same time I love the friendliness and everybody saying hello to you

I've decided that I need to develop more friendships apart from the group and not rely too much on debs etc for my friends

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idontknowwhattohave · 04/10/2018 17:44

Sorry @SoutineBellhop I didn't mean for that paragraph to be in bold

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HalloumiGus · 04/10/2018 17:49

I would have rolled my eyes at this in the past but we have one in work now so I know the type. Just hang out with the people you want to see and don't try too hard to please her. This is her shit not yours.

SoutineBellhop · 04/10/2018 17:49

I’m a Londoner in a village as well, OP, but I made a policy decision to remain on the fringes socially and make my real friends at work and elsewhere.

carpettile · 04/10/2018 17:49

Yes feels terrible but you don't want to get to the stage where noone is talking to you which is where I am. Fortunately I have other friends. If you can manage to ignore her and not let it effect you and still have fun with gang great. However I would be tempted to make some other friends and keep on friendly terms with the gang joining in when its something you want to do. Hope it all works out !!! Try to remember there are people that do that they move on to one intense friendship to the next when they get bored. It can really play havoc with your self esteem its them not you :-)

SabineUndine · 04/10/2018 18:14

She’s trying to assert her dominance over you. I have worked with people like this and they’re a problem as they won’t stop until they think you know your place. Don’t rise to it.

idontknowwhattohave · 04/10/2018 19:49

My case Thanks @carpettile very true!
Yes @SoutineBellhop village life is harder than you think. London can be so transient unlike a village with a web of connections
@SabineUndine as you say it's about dominance and me learning my place in their eyes - or not in my case

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Thinkingofausername1 · 05/10/2018 13:04

She sounds exhausting. And bossy and controlling. I avoid people like this as I just don't have the energy. I think you should stop chasing her and see if her behaviour changes Wink

BitchQueen90 · 05/10/2018 13:15

Nope. Nobody like this in my friendship group and I actively avoid those type of people. I can't stand "queen bee" types. And to be honest I wouldn't want to be friends with people who suck up to the "queen bee" either, I like to spend time with people who have their own minds.

springydaff · 05/10/2018 13:38

There's a Queen Bee in one of my friendship groups. I really value this group so it's not easy to move away from it.

She was it before I joined. She held court and they all complied. Then she was away for about 6 months and I became very popular in the group, probably taking her place. Except I didn't hold court etc!

She's nasty to me. Thankfully some have noticed it - phew. I don't rise to the bait - maybe I should? I don't want to give her ammunition.

This isn't a childish situation so don't be put down. Yes kids do it but so do adults.

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