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To be feeling so angry at my 3yo DS every single bloody day??!!

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Mumyum1 · 25/09/2017 00:20

Yes. Of course I am. I am being very very unreasonable. I know it. And I resolve not be. But then I am. Again. He asked his dad tonight, why is mummy always so angry. Broke my heart.

Background: DS is almost 4yo and after maternity leave I went back to work for 6 weeks before being forced out of my really well paid job. I was not given a reference and found it really hard to find decent work for a long time - during this time I was a SAHM and used all my savings to continue to pay 50% of the mortgage and bills until I had no money left. Hubby then had to pick up all the bills and full mortgage and still managed to put aside for savings. My only income was child benefits and the odd bit of cash he gave me, most of which I'd spend on groceries. Every time I asked for money I would hear about how we we really struggling on only one salary and how stressed he was etc etc. We got pregnant with number two and of course this time around there was no maternity pay. Apart from nappies no extra expense as I breastfed and we were gifted loads of clothes etc. Due to some kindness of old friends and the support of my mother things fell into place for me and I found work - less than half of what I was paid before. Suddenly DH started complaining about the cost of childcare for two children should I return to work. For that reason and because I also felt DC2 was not ready for childcare I deferred my start date for a year. DH then complained about how I made decisions and he just had to go along with it, and how stressful it was for him to pay for everything. He especially hated that DC1 was at private nursery 2 days a week. I've now been back at work fulltime and cover all the childcare costs myself, with nothing left over in spare change. However I have a sense of achievement beyond what cute things my children are saying and doing. I'm mixing with adults who are not part of nursery school or playgroup. Although I don't have extra cash to speak of I feel financially empowered, which is an awesome feeling. The economic disempowerment I felt for the previous few years has certainly been a life lesson I won't easily forget. And intend to never ever repeat.

However. The downside to me working, has been that DH has been spending more time with DC1&2 - which means they are slowly but surely showing the stamp of his personality. He has anger issues. Can't stand crying and thinks it's abnormal behaviour in a 1&3 yr old and that I've been mollycoddling and turning them into 'sissies' (said in front of them. Mummy what's a sissy?). I gentle parent and don't believe in spanking. He's the opposite. I allow them choice and independence, he prefers to do things for them. He shouted at the one yr old for picking up his PS3 remote and then told her he wasn't sure why she was crying at nothing, he should be crying as it's his things getting broken. When the 3yo tantrums at the end of a long exhausting day because all routine has been lost and he's allowed to stay up after 10pm, and then starts to hit/spit/kick etc DH asks him why he's such a moron and was he dropped on the head.

It makes my blood boil but I'm working on my own flaws and trying to give DH space to figure out this parenting gig but he has never had contact with kids, does not know what normal child behaviour is like, and refuses to read anything. He tries to follow his parents style but has forgotten that he told me once at the beginning of our relationship, that he knew his father didn't like him when he was 3yo. They've never got on because FiL is a stickler for discipline and DH has always been a wild angry child. He hates being 'told what to do' and anything I say is responded to with 'don't speak to me like I'm a child' or some such. I have run out of patience with him and unfortunately have lost all compassion and empathy for him and so yes I do struggle to be 'gentle' with him as I strive to be with my kids. I have very firm boundaries though. They had routine, limits etc I just didn't use shouting or spanking to enforce.

When my mum came to stay post c section to help out, she eventually told me, stop asking him to do anything if you've already asked him once. For example, take out the heavy garbage bag before bin day because I can't do it - my almost 75yo osteoporotic mother and I used to do together because any request I'd make would be ignored until it mounted up to ten things and then he'd blow up about it.

Anyway, my children who I've never ever spoken a bad word to about their dad, are now becoming so defiant toward me. They are shouting. DC1 ignores me when I speak to him. If he speaks to his dad and I answer, he actually says, I'm not talking to you mum, please be quiet. He's allowed to play games on dads fone when I've been specific about limiting screen time. On a day with dad there are no such limits. They're allowed lots of juice as it's fruit, and lots of macdonalds fries even if I've cooked for them for the day. They hang out in the local vape shop although I've asked dad to only vape in a separate room with a window open at home. DC1 tells me he is going to use that blower thing when he grows up. They go grocery shopping and eat before paying for things. They skip baths and go to bed in their clothes they've been playing in all day. The list really is endless.

I feel a huge amount of anger toward DH. I feel all my hard work and patience over the years has been trampled into the dust and is being undone at an alarming pace. But worse than that is this anger that boils inside me when my DS so obviously prefers his dad over me. And always defends his dad when I question anything. And requests angry rap music in the car that turns out to be full of the N word, whore this, bitch that the only word blanked out is Fuck! Hubby tells me it's the censored version it's ok! Yesterday DS called me a Bitch. I want to smack him so badly and I want to hurt his feelings so badly, I really want to break his spirit and tell him how shit his father is. Of course I don't. I end up clenching my teeth and counting or breathing or walking out of the room. Because it's not his fault. He is triggering my anger toward his father. And he knows I'm angry and I'm scared I'm going to lose him. But I'm finding it harder and harder to bite my tongue. DH and I have 'discussed' these issues but the talking becomes shouting and I can't have my kids grow up like that. He refuses counselling.

If you've made it to the end thanks for reading this long vent post. I think it's been cathartic to just type it out. Is differing parenting styles enough of a reason to break up a family? Am I just too bloody controlling??? I do feel like quite the tyrant tbh.

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just5morepeas · 25/09/2017 01:21

I feel horrible even suggesting this, but I would also be reconsidering the pregnancy.

Both because I'm not sure I'd want to bring another child into that environment and because I'd want all the time and money I had to be spent on the kids I already had and on getting them out of there.

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Mumyum1 · 25/09/2017 01:34

I'm 25 weeks pregnant. And for some reason I've been extremely broody for ages despite two toddlers. I've honestly never felt they were a handful and the youngest is an absolute dream. Both children call the baby in mummy's tummy 'our baby' and have been with me for the scans and are really excited about it.

For those of you who like to psychoanalyse - My dad who I love dearly used to give us kids hidings when he was really angry at what we'd done and yes we deserved rebuke for bad behaviour but not scars on our legs. My oldest brother bore the brunt of this anger and had major anger issues until he dealt with it and certainly has his faults as a dad himself but was inspired by having kids to change. This brother is also remarkably like my DH. So I guess that little part of me always thought that there existed some possibility for him to change. I would never in a million years have thought my brother could. But everyone who knows him since youth vouches for the transformation.

I tell you, hope can sometimes be a bloody shitty thing.

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Mxyzptlk · 25/09/2017 01:34

This man is wrecking three lives, and could wreck a fourth.
Get away from him. Don't wait a few years - think how much more abuse your kids (and you) will have endured by then.

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Mxyzptlk · 25/09/2017 01:36

X posts.
If your H will go for counselling, and will try to change, then fair enough.
If not, dump him.

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Mumyum1 · 25/09/2017 01:39

I'm turning 40 this year. He's asked me what I want. I'm going to tell him couples/family counselling or a divorce.

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Huldas · 25/09/2017 01:40

I have my first LTB. Your dh sounds very stubborn. I have been through stages of this with my dh, in the end I wasn't even angry anymore, just very sure I could not carry on the way we were. He has changed as a result of me being ready to walk unless he did. Think carefully whether you are prepared to still be doing this in 5 or 10 years, if the answer is no take control of you and what you can do, it really helps to stop trying to change their behaviour and just focus on your actions and how you are going to make things right for you.

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Mummyoflittledragon · 25/09/2017 01:49

Please stop having sex with this bully. He is creating the next generation of nasty bullies. Your children. Only you can change this. The positive thing is you will be on mat leave and with your children a lot more. Please find the strength to leave him. Don't wait for financial security. You need to go. Another poster gave details of women's aid. Please contact them.

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SweetCrustPastry · 25/09/2017 01:53

You've hit the nail on the head OP hope is a bloody shitty thing. Your situation sounds really damaging to all of you.
Please don't be manipulated into staying because of misplaced hope.
If your OH is serious about making a change he could start tomorrow.
But if he has no intention of changing then you need to change the situation for yourself and your DCs - otherwise you will all find yourselves becoming people you do not want to be.

Please ring one of the advice lines further up the thread.

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Mumyum1 · 25/09/2017 02:03

YEs thank you to the person posting the women's help number ... I had called Relate but they wouldn't budge on the £50/hr rate and I simply cannot afford that.

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Graphista · 25/09/2017 02:04

Couple counselling with an abuser is a really BAD idea and reputable counsellors won't do it.

What does 'financially able to leave' look like? Because frankly things are just things.

Different situation but I started literally with nothing but a hand baggage size suitcase of clothes following a breakdown.

If an abuse victim charity can house you and your children, hell if you're leaving a dv situation you're entitled to social housing (though there's precious little of that around) then take personal belongings and believe me in 6 months you will be so proud of how far you've come.

Personal peace is worth so much more than money or things.

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AdalindSchade · 25/09/2017 02:07

Relate won't see you as a couple once they realise that he's abusing you. No decent couples counsellors will. You can't therapy a man out of being abusive.

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marymoosmum · 25/09/2017 02:43

That's more than just different parenting styles. Get out now! Run far away and fast for the kids sakes.

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MumBod · 25/09/2017 02:57

Pack a bag with essentials.
Hide it.
Tip your mum off.
Wait until the bastard goes out.
Ring a taxi.

Then file for divorce.

Take your life back, and save your kids from this pig.

Flowers

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Katedotness1963 · 25/09/2017 03:19

Your husband is a nasty man. He's ruining your life, he's ruining your kids lives. He can't be arsed to parent properly. He doesn't care as long as he's getting his way. You and your children deserve better.

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mathanxiety · 25/09/2017 03:58

Don't do couples counseling with this man.

He has already threatened not to let you go with the DCs. That is a clear attempt to make you believe that you have no option but to stay. The aim of abuse is to make you believe you have no options.

No qualified relationship counselor would take the two of you together if you told them even a little of what you have posted here at your intake interview.

Do counseling for yourself and make a plan to leave.

I tell you, hope can sometimes be a bloody shitty thing.
Yes, optimism is indeed malignant in circumstances like yours, and though it can make life bearable day to day, it's not your friend in the long term.

Don't let that depress you though.

The only person who can change this situation is you - the only approach you can change is your own. Let that empower you.

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Atenco · 25/09/2017 04:10

Couple counselling with an abuser is a really BAD idea and reputable counsellors won't do it

My dd went for couples counselling with her abusive ex to see if they could organise this co-parenting lark. The bloody counsellors started siding with him. When he hit her, why had she provoked him??? for example.

You really need to get your children out of this situation as soon as possible before they are damaged permanently by this father and the atmosphere in the house.

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WanderingTrolley1 · 25/09/2017 04:12

LTB. He will never change.

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TakeMe2Insanity · 25/09/2017 06:17

Oh my gosh. You need to leave and stop telling him your plans.

Pack all your important paperwork and leave it at your mums. Squirrel money if you have to but theres no reason you couldn't leave today. Yes it will be hard but seriously 2 toddlers and a new born will be easier to handle when you organise yourself. Please LTB asap.

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TammySwansonTwo · 25/09/2017 06:23

If my husband behaved in just one of the ways you mention regarding our kids, he wouldn't be alone with them. If it happened multiple times I'd be gone. No idea how since I don't have much income or family, but I'd figure it out somehow and you can too. You say you have no recourse to funds - im assuming you moved to the UK from elsewhere. Have you spoken to CAB or maybe women's aid to be sure that's the case, that there's nothing that can help you?

Now you're back in work and can get a reference, can you look for a different job that pays better? Do you have nothing left over at the end of the month once childcare is paid for? What happens when you go on maternity leave - I assume your income will reduce, will you take them out of childcare at that point and maybe have the opportunity to save some money? I'm quite scared for you having another baby in this situation since abusive men's behaviour tends to escalate after a baby is born. Perhaps see a lawyer too - since you have 3 kids surely he would have to leave the house, and support them financially?

I really feel for you, I can't even imagine. My husband and I have had a tough year with our non sleeping twins, and any time the other has lost their temper in the vicinity of the babies the other steps in and removes them. It would kill me to see their behaviour changed by an abusive father. This will only get worse the longer it goes on and the older they get. I believe it's all fixable at this age, but I worry for all of you if it continues. You're in such a hard situation but you can change it.

Do you have any good friends nearby you can talk to and help you devise a plan? Anyone who could put you up for a little while (I know that's difficult with two kids and another on the way). I'm sure friends would be keen to help if they could and knew the situation x

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stopfuckingshoutingatme · 25/09/2017 06:30

OP 2 things (I also had a shit weekend for similar )

It's not the kids fault I get angry too but they learn it from their dad
You are angry with your DH ! Not them

My single advice is to Focus in your work and get stable financially and career wise

As with this in Place you can make some longer term decisions about this marriage

Remember kids be at school before you know it and this issue or nursery and childcare will pass

Maybe he is not the right man to grow old with . Maybe not

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CatsRidingRollercoasters · 25/09/2017 06:36

Your dh is an abusive bastard. He's abusing your precious babies as well as you. He's not going to change. Ltb.

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AdalindSchade · 25/09/2017 07:07

My dd went for couples counselling with her abusive ex to see if they could organise this co-parenting lark. The bloody counsellors started siding with him. When he hit her, why had she provoked him??? for example

Exactly. The problem with counsellors is that you might get a diamond or you might get a dangerous twat like this who shouldn't be practicing. Even relationship counsellors who don't hold those harmful views can still contribute to harm, by encouraging the victim to see counselling as a safe space to express herself, which the abuser will later use against her. It's what they do.

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SpaghettiAndMeatballs · 25/09/2017 07:15

It's a small thing, but remember kids can cope with two different sets of rules, but its much harder if you're both there together, they don't know who's rules to follow.

There are things that my kids do with DP that they'd never dream of doing when I'm in charge - they know that I have some very fixed limits and rules that are non-negotiable (everything is negotiable with DP). Yes, I have to remind them sometimes, but on the whole they behave far better for me than they do for him.

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TheHobbitMum · 25/09/2017 07:23

Your 'D'H is an abusive nasty, twat and you must LTB. He is damaging your children and teaching them that anger and feeling worthless is the normal in life. None of you should be around this man, phone Womans Aid to help you leave this sorry excuse for a man. You and your children will actually be able to enjoy life once you have left him. Get your ducks in a row and go once he's left for work, ignore who's threats that you can't take the kids. I'm sure your mum will be thankful you've escaped and I'm sure she can see how toxic he is. You can and will manage without that twat!
Time to put your kids welfare first and restart without him.

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